I've got two.

Covid origin
Hunter's Laptop

Both largely orchestrated by the US gov't and perpetrated on it's citizens.

Let's add lockdowns and masks. How about vaxx effectiveness?

I've a question for GDI. How does the US gov't and all it's various websites not make your list?
Oh yeah....you're on the take.


ScottW

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On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:13:04 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:

I've got two.

Covid origin
Hunter's Laptop

Both largely orchestrated by the US gov't and perpetrated on it's citizens.

Let's add lockdowns and masks. How about vaxx effectiveness?

I've a question for GDI. How does the US gov't and all it's various websites not make your list?
Oh yeah....you're on the take.

ScottW

Pissing on Obama's bed ranks right up there.

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On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 1:13:04 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:

I've got two.

Covid origin
Hunter's Laptop

Both largely orchestrated by the US gov't and perpetrated on it's citizens.

Let's add lockdowns and masks. How about vaxx effectiveness?

I've a question for GDI. How does the US gov't and all it's various websites not make your list?
Oh yeah....you're on the take.

ScottW

Pissing on Obama's bed ranks right up there.

Doesn't make the cutoff date...or it would be top 5.
I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

ScottW

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Who says an "opinion" has to be based on facts? Feelings are just fine.

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

Get away from the stove, dumbass Shmoo. You'll get burned again.

Russian use began with a "special disinformation office" in 1923. Disinformation was defined in Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1952)
as "false information with the intention to deceive public opinion".
Operation INFEKTION was a Soviet disinformation campaign
to influence opinion that the U.S. invented AIDS.

That's from wikipedia.

If anyone can find Shmoo scottw, tell him the bell is tolling for him.

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On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top of my
head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top of my head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Lying and propaganda have always existed since the apple fell from the tree.
But the concept of full campaigns against
"disinformation" in the social media and news media realm did not exist.
And these gov't based or funded "disinformation" campaigners have turned out to be among the worst of the disinformers.
Talk about the perfect circumstance for a false flag operation.
If you're going to rely on the disinform control center to save you....you're f'd.

ScottW

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top of my head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Bingo!
You got me this time!
I don't recall Belgian babes. I scanned the article, looked it up on Wiki and Google, and I'm still stumped.

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On 3/2/23 12:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top of my
head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Bingo!
You got me this time!
I don't recall Belgian babes. I scanned the article, looked it up on Wiki and Google, and I'm still stumped.

It's a WW I thing: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/spotlights/p_alleged_german.htm

"Some of the most lurid and sensational findings of the Bryce report on
German 'atrocities' in Belgium concerned the alleged mistreatment of
women and children. This extract recounts 'many well-established cases
of the slaughter ... of whole families'; incidents of women and children
being used as human shields during combat; 'numerous' cases of rape; and horrific examples of children being bayoneted by drunken German troops.
The 'evidence' on which the committee based its allegations was, in many
cases, extremely flimsy."

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On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing
pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the
subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top
of my head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Lying and propaganda have always existed since the apple fell from
the tree. But the concept of full campaigns against "disinformation"
in the social media and news media realm did not exist. And these
gov't based or funded "disinformation" campaigners have turned out to
be among the worst of the disinformers. Talk about the perfect
circumstance for a false flag operation. If you're going to rely on
the disinform control center to save you....you're f'd.

Like this? https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act

That's 2016. Pre-COVID, depending on your susceptibility to disinformation.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/going-offensive-us-strategy-combat-russian-information-warfare

During the late Cold War, the United States established an effective and proactive information campaign against the Soviet Union that combined
overt and covert programs. While much has changed over the past four decades—including the evolution of technology and the use of social media—the Reagan administration’s playbook offers a useful model.

This CSIS Brief involves the collection and analysis of thousands of
pages of primary source U.S. and Russian documents—many of which have
been recently declassified—from the 1980s on Moscow’s “active measures” campaign and the Reagan administration’s response...

Reagan’s National Security Council staff drafted a series of documents
that outlined an aggressive campaign to compete with the Soviets. On May
20, 1982, Reagan signed into law NSDD-32, titled “U.S. National Security Strategy,” which marked a shift in U.S. policy. It authorized
diplomatic, propaganda, political, and military action to “contain and reverse the expansion of Soviet control and military presence through
the world.” The document also had a covert action component that
supported such efforts as sponsoring “demonstrations, protests,
meetings, conferences, press articles, television shows, exhibitions,
and the like.”

End quote.

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The Sack of Stupid displays his wares.

Jews are in the difficult position of telling us that The Old Testament is God's Truth,
while telling us the New Testament is massive misinformation.

Unless the "us" is sane people who know that all the Testaments, as well as every other loony-tunes religious scripture, are fantasies, pure and simple.

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top of my head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Indeed.
Misinformation is a very old thing.
It dates back to the beginning of mankind, or at least to when the Bible was written.
If you happen to believe that The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, Adam and Eve
misinformed God about eating the apple.
If you don't believe that The Bible is the Word of God, then all those religious
adherents are misinforming you.

Jews are in the difficult position of telling us that The Old Testament is God's Truth,
while telling us the New Testament is massive misinformation.

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'm of the opinion that "disinformation" wasn't even a thing
pre-covid.

If that's what you think, that's self-disqualifying on the
subject.

"Remember the Maine!" Belgian babies, pizzagate, just off the top
of my head.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/fake-news-history-long-violent-214535/

Lying and propaganda have always existed since the apple fell from
the tree. But the concept of full campaigns against "disinformation"
in the social media and news media realm did not exist. And these
gov't based or funded "disinformation" campaigners have turned out to
be among the worst of the disinformers. Talk about the perfect circumstance for a false flag operation. If you're going to rely on
the disinform control center to save you....you're f'd.

Like this? https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act

That's 2016. Pre-COVID, depending on your susceptibility to disinformation.

And foreign focused. I'll give you state and counter state propaganda/disinformation campaigns
have existed for since the beginning of civilization....and probably tribes. But covid is when they turned the apparati internally and focused on US.

As usual, you ignore the important point and would rather nitpik to prove me wrong.
When it began is irrelevant to the state building apparati and depts that have no real
domestic role working to censor US.

One of the oddest things to have seen over the course of my life is watching libs become
subservient to the state.
They played upon your fears used them to own you.

ScottW

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On 3/3/23 9:30 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'll give you state and counter state
propaganda/disinformation campaigns have existed for since the
beginning of civilization....and probably tribes. But covid is when
they turned the apparati internally and focused on US.

Maybe it's the first you noticed it. In general most fringe figures
claiming government disinformation were best ignored due to the low
percentage of them being correct.

As usual, you ignore the important point and would rather nitpik to
prove me wrong.

Then what was the important point? It's not clear.

When it began is irrelevant to the state building apparati and depts
that have no real domestic role working to censor US.

What you've shown is an overseas think-tank got a grant for overseas
work from an NGO that in turn gets State Department funding.

Of course, their criteria for including your faves on their naughty list
are pretty hard to debunk.

One of the oddest things to have seen over the course of my life is
watching libs become subservient to the state. They played upon your
fears used them to own you.

As opposed to the right-wing outrage machine? That pretty much works on
fear.

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mINE109 wrote:

As opposed to the right-wing outrage machine? That pretty much works on fear.

The twisted part of Shmoo scottw's geysers of superheated outrage is
that he knows he's being manipulated, and he doesn't object. A great
deal of MAGA-land comprises feebs who found, in the Trump creature,
an equally stupid spokesthing that whines and bitches mindlessly
about everything the feebs don't understand.

Shmoo scottw actually knows better, but he relishes the opportunity
to indulge his inner whiny little brat.

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On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:49:35 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/3/23 9:30 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'll give you state and counter state
propaganda/disinformation campaigns have existed for since the
beginning of civilization....and probably tribes. But covid is when
they turned the apparati internally and focused on US.

Maybe it's the first you noticed it. In general most fringe figures
claiming government disinformation were best ignored due to the low percentage of them being correct.

Can we make a list?
I'll start way back just for you.
Pentagon - We're winning in Vietnam
then again We're winning in Afghanistan
Nixon - I am not a crook.
Clinton - I never had sex with that woman.
Obama - If you like your doctor you get to keep them.
Biden - Everytime he opens his mouth.

As usual, you ignore the important point and would rather nitpik to
prove me wrong.

Then what was the important point? It's not clear.

The gov't is involved in unconstitutional censorship.

And you're clearly an idiot if I have to repeat this.

ScottW

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On 3/4/23 3:17 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:49:35 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/3/23 9:30 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'll give you state and counter state
propaganda/disinformation campaigns have existed for since the
beginning of civilization....and probably tribes. But covid is when
they turned the apparati internally and focused on US.

Maybe it's the first you noticed it. In general most fringe figures
claiming government disinformation were best ignored due to the low
percentage of them being correct.

Can we make a list?
I'll start way back just for you.
Pentagon - We're winning in Vietnam
then again We're winning in Afghanistan
Nixon - I am not a crook.
Clinton - I never had sex with that woman.
Obama - If you like your doctor you get to keep them.
Biden - Everytime he opens his mouth.

Terrible list. Only the Pentagon stuff meets a definition of government disinformation.

As usual, you ignore the important point and would rather nitpik to
prove me wrong.

Then what was the important point? It's not clear.

The gov't is involved in unconstitutional censorship.

Even accepting the Washington Examiner's claim, that's not censorship
nor unconstitutional.

And you're clearly an idiot if I have to repeat this.

You're the idiot if you do.

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On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/4/23 3:17 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:49:35 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/3/23 9:30 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 3/2/23 9:13 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 3/1/23 4:30 PM, ScottW wrote:

I'll give you state and counter state
propaganda/disinformation campaigns have existed for since the
beginning of civilization....and probably tribes. But covid is when
they turned the apparati internally and focused on US.

Maybe it's the first you noticed it. In general most fringe figures
claiming government disinformation were best ignored due to the low
percentage of them being correct.

Can we make a list?
I'll start way back just for you.
Pentagon - We're winning in Vietnam
then again We're winning in Afghanistan
Nixon - I am not a crook.
Clinton - I never had sex with that woman.
Obama - If you like your doctor you get to keep them.
Biden - Everytime he opens his mouth.

Terrible list. Only the Pentagon stuff meets a definition of government disinformation.

Stephen thinks gov't is an inanimate object.

ScottW

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Shmoo-ish? Shmoo-ese? Shmoo-ian? Whatever language our lumpen
beast is using, he should at least tell us how to translate it into Human.

Terrible list. Only the Pentagon stuff meets a definition of government disinformation.

Stephen thinks gov't is an inanimate object.

The tenets of the Shmoozian tongue include random, sometimes undecipherable
abbreviations, wanton misuse and omission of punctuation, fart-clouds
of vituperative squawking, and of course a plenitude of nonsequiturs.

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