European Union countries failed to adopt conclusions on climate diplomacy that had been planned for Monday, owing to a deepening spat over the role of nuclear energy in the green transition, EU officials said.efforts to massively expand renewable energy.
The upset is the latest development in a dispute between France and other countries who want more EU policies to promote nuclear energy’s contribution to cutting CO2 emissions, and those like Germany and Spain who warn this risks distracting from
Seems really stupid to me. Germany is on track to close it's Nukes and fire up some coal to cover the shortage. Really really dumb.
ScottW
On 5/03/2023 4:32 pm, ScottW wrote:efforts to massively expand renewable energy.
European Union countries failed to adopt conclusions on climate diplomacy that had been planned for Monday, owing to a deepening spat over the role of nuclear energy in the green transition, EU officials said.
The upset is the latest development in a dispute between France and other countries who want more EU policies to promote nuclear energy’s contribution to cutting CO2 emissions, and those like Germany and Spain who warn this risks distracting from
Seems really stupid to me. Germany is on track to close it's Nukes and fire up some coal to cover the shortage. Really really dumb.
ScottW**Nukes are dumb and a short term fix. Besides, it takes decades to
plan, build and commission a nuke. How much will renewables fall in cost
by the time one is built?
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:efforts to massively expand renewable energy.
On 5/03/2023 4:32 pm, ScottW wrote:
European Union countries failed to adopt conclusions on climate diplomacy that had been planned for Monday, owing to a deepening spat over the role of nuclear energy in the green transition, EU officials said.
The upset is the latest development in a dispute between France and other countries who want more EU policies to promote nuclear energy’s contribution to cutting CO2 emissions, and those like Germany and Spain who warn this risks distracting from
**Nukes are dumb and a short term fix. Besides, it takes decades to
Seems really stupid to me. Germany is on track to close it's Nukes and fire up some coal to cover the shortage. Really really dumb.
ScottW
plan, build and commission a nuke. How much will renewables fall in cost
by the time one is built?
I'll put you down as pro-coal to fill the gap between existing nuclear plants and future
renewable capacity....cuz that's what you did in your stupor state.
ScottW
On 6/03/2023 5:42 am, ScottW wrote:efforts to massively expand renewable energy.
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 5/03/2023 4:32 pm, ScottW wrote:
European Union countries failed to adopt conclusions on climate diplomacy that had been planned for Monday, owing to a deepening spat over the role of nuclear energy in the green transition, EU officials said.
The upset is the latest development in a dispute between France and other countries who want more EU policies to promote nuclear energy’s contribution to cutting CO2 emissions, and those like Germany and Spain who warn this risks distracting from
**Nukes are dumb and a short term fix. Besides, it takes decades to
Seems really stupid to me. Germany is on track to close it's Nukes and fire up some coal to cover the shortage. Really really dumb.
ScottW
plan, build and commission a nuke. How much will renewables fall in cost >> by the time one is built?
I'll put you down as pro-coal to fill the gap between existing nuclear plants and future
renewable capacity....cuz that's what you did in your stupor state.
ScottW**Nope. Coal fired power stations are being closed down where I live.
ALL my electricity comes from renewable sources. Better still: Renewable energy costs are falling rapidly. My electricity bill is falling, not rising.
On 6/03/2023 5:42 am, ScottW wrote:efforts to massively expand renewable energy.
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:24:21 PM UTC-8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 5/03/2023 4:32 pm, ScottW wrote:
European Union countries failed to adopt conclusions on climate diplomacy that had been planned for Monday, owing to a deepening spat over the role of nuclear energy in the green transition, EU officials said.
The upset is the latest development in a dispute between France and other countries who want more EU policies to promote nuclear energy’s contribution to cutting CO2 emissions, and those like Germany and Spain who warn this risks distracting from
**Nukes are dumb and a short term fix. Besides, it takes decades to
Seems really stupid to me. Germany is on track to close it's Nukes and fire up some coal to cover the shortage. Really really dumb.
ScottW
plan, build and commission a nuke. How much will renewables fall in cost >> by the time one is built?
I'll put you down as pro-coal to fill the gap between existing nuclear plants and future
renewable capacity....cuz that's what you did in your stupor state.
ScottW**Nope. Coal fired power stations are being closed down where I live.
ALL my electricity comes from renewable sources. Better still: Renewable energy costs are falling rapidly. My electricity bill is falling, not rising.
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I would't think that not one of these would be connected to your grid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_South_Wales
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:21 PM UTC-6, Art Sackman wrote:
I would't think that not one of these would be connected to your grid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_South_WalesThat doesn't mean Trevor gets his power from them:
https://getgreenpower.sydney
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:21 PM UTC-6, Art Sackman wrote:
I would't think that not one of these would be connected to your grid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_South_WalesThat doesn't mean Trevor gets his power from them:
https://getgreenpower.sydney
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using any
power in their punitive tier pricing.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 11:25:41 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:21 PM UTC-6, Art Sackman wrote:
I would't think that not one of these would be connected to your
grid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_South_Wales
That doesn't mean Trevor gets his power from them:
https://getgreenpower.sydney
If every customer in Sydney did that,
there very cold and dark days and nights ahead. Your power ration
would stand at about ten minutes if service per day.
On 3/6/23 11:58 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 11:25:41 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:43:21 PM UTC-6, Art Sackman wrote:
I would't think that not one of these would be connected to your
grid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_South_Wales
That doesn't mean Trevor gets his power from them:
https://getgreenpower.sydney
If every customer in Sydney did that,We're only talking about Trevor.
there very cold and dark days and nights ahead. Your power ration
would stand at about ten minutes if service per day.
Wiki: "In Australia renewable energy is accredited under the GreenPower scheme whereby all distributors are government audited bi-annually to
ensure that customers are getting exactly what is described in their purchased products."
Maybe not an accounting trick after all.
there very cold and dark days and nights ahead. Your power rationWiki: "In Australia renewable energy is accredited under the GreenPower scheme whereby all distributors are government audited bi-annually to
would stand at about ten minutes if service per day.
ensure that customers are getting exactly what is described in their purchased products."
Maybe not an accounting trick after all.
On 3/5/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"I just saw a KUSI interview in which a consumer advocate lawyer
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using any
power in their punitive tier pricing.
explained the rates go up because the local utility makes money from
capital projects, not from consumer energy use.
So "renewable" isn't to blame, "new" is.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 4:32:26 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
Wiki: "In Australia renewable energy is accredited under the GreenPower
scheme whereby all distributors are government audited bi-annually to
ensure that customers are getting exactly what is described in their
purchased products."
Maybe not an accounting trick after all.
Now that statement is just so incrediblty stupid
Only a moron like you would fall for it.
Do you ACTUALLY believe that electricity to each house on the grid
is, or can be, separated by source, That you can receive just green renewable sourced electricity at your house, and that me, living next door to you can opt for only
dirty coal and oil sourced electricity at my house?
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/5/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"I just saw a KUSI interview in which a consumer advocate lawyer
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using
any power in their punitive tier pricing.
explained the rates go up because the local utility makes money
from capital projects, not from consumer energy use.
So "renewable" isn't to blame, "new" is.
LoL. A new solar farm to replace existing Nuclear and they tell us
it will be cheaper.
Of course the nuclear infrastructure charge is included in the cost
calc for the electricity it produces but the solar farm is magically
exempt from including those costs.
You can talk all the stupid BS you want. I have the utility bills to
prove it. They've been lying for a decade and are still lying but
those hidden costs are eventually passed on to the consumers and that
is just beginning. The impact is devastating to many middle and lower
income families. I have a bill for 1000 Kwh....and it's 500$. The
profits on infrastructure are buried in that bill...but they don't
make more than a few % difference. It's a BS smokescreen.
Another horror story is the states Title 24 linked here. https://www.energy.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2022-12/CEC-400-2022-010_CMF.pdf
A new update is produced and enacted every 3 years. The 2022 version
I linked went into effect 1/1/23. We're looking at a remodel
project on one of our properties. Right now I can't get a firm bid
from any of the contractors (and we gave fulls plans to 8 and only
got "estimates" from 3) The issue....no one knows right now how the
Building Inspectors are interpreting this monster. A simple
example....it calls for water heaters to be replaced with heat pump
water heaters if the existing system is altered or replaced. So
what does "altered" mean. I tried to argue that we're not altering or changing the water system.
Oddly, I can go to propane cheaper. Heat pump water heaters are
about 3x the cost of a gas water heater. And they have lots of
caveats on the temp range at point of installation. If you need to
remote the evaporator coils it's even more expensive. And then
there's the possible requirement for solar and every window has to be replaced etc. No wonder one contractor told me half the contractors
have left the state. They couldn't keep up with the regulatory BS.
Even the building inspectors can't keep up.
Add to this our county just randomly rezoned our land and the new setbacks cut right through
our garage. They call it legal but noncomforming. No one at County
Planning and Land Use can explain why they did this. I think they
just got lazy and f'd up computerizing their records and zoned
everyone in county as if they were on septic requiring large setbacks
for tanks and/or leech fields. But If I want to build an ADU, I can
ignore almost all of it. Even the county recommended it to
streamline permit application and get around the setbacks and even
get low rate construction loans and possibly even a grant. They even
said if I just add a kitchen and a bath anywhere...it complies and I
don't ever have to rent it which is the whole f'ing point of the ADU
program. How f'd up is that?
On 3/6/23 10:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/5/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"I just saw a KUSI interview in which a consumer advocate lawyer
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using
any power in their punitive tier pricing.
explained the rates go up because the local utility makes money
from capital projects, not from consumer energy use.
So "renewable" isn't to blame, "new" is.
LoL. A new solar farm to replace existing Nuclear and they tell usSure, the electricity is. Paying for a new plant isn't.
it will be cheaper.
Of course the nuclear infrastructure charge is included in the costYou should show your electric bill to Art. He can help you with
calc for the electricity it produces but the solar farm is magically exempt from including those costs.
fungibility concepts.
You can talk all the stupid BS you want. I have the utility bills toWell, that's how they guarantee their return to investors. Whether they
prove it. They've been lying for a decade and are still lying but
those hidden costs are eventually passed on to the consumers and that
is just beginning. The impact is devastating to many middle and lower income families. I have a bill for 1000 Kwh....and it's 500$. The
profits on infrastructure are buried in that bill...but they don't
make more than a few % difference. It's a BS smokescreen.
have transparent billing is a separate issue.
Austinites feel your pain. We have notoriously complicated building
permit processing. "Permit expediter" is a thing.
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:48:11 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/6/23 10:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Sure, the electricity is. Paying for a new plant isn't.
On 3/5/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"I just saw a KUSI interview in which a consumer advocate lawyer
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using
any power in their punitive tier pricing.
explained the rates go up because the local utility makes money
from capital projects, not from consumer energy use.
So "renewable" isn't to blame, "new" is.
LoL. A new solar farm to replace existing Nuclear and they tell us
it will be cheaper.
That's moronic beyond belief...even for you.
Of course the nuclear infrastructure charge is included in the costYou should show your electric bill to Art. He can help you with
calc for the electricity it produces but the solar farm is magically
exempt from including those costs.
fungibility concepts.
You can talk all the stupid BS you want. I have the utility bills toWell, that's how they guarantee their return to investors. Whether they
prove it. They've been lying for a decade and are still lying but
those hidden costs are eventually passed on to the consumers and that
is just beginning. The impact is devastating to many middle and lower
income families. I have a bill for 1000 Kwh....and it's 500$. The
profits on infrastructure are buried in that bill...but they don't
make more than a few % difference. It's a BS smokescreen.
have transparent billing is a separate issue.
Stop the BS.... People are facing unaffordable utility bills.
It's putting people in the streets.
And you keep spewing the lies on costs.
Germany just put a cap on utility rates at 40c/KwH.
But their faced with a trillion or more in infrastructure costs for their transition plan.
Those rates don't cover that cost.
Austinites feel your pain. We have notoriously complicated building
permit processing. "Permit expediter" is a thing.
For a fee....a path for the rich.
My first trips to the permit office went like this.
First visit...we find out about the new zoning and tell the guy...that's not right.
We did remodels twice and didn't face those setbacks.
He said prove it. I told him I have the original plans and inspection records.
Bring 'em in and we'll have something. So I did.
He was surprised but I did. Original posted plans set with county stamps of approval
and all the inspection records and final. He said, "This is great, you should have no problem
getting your zone classification restored. Give me a minute to go upstairs and show this to
my manager." Half hour later he returns looking embarrassed.
Your request is denied. If you want to challenge it, here's the process.
Fill out this stack of forms and submit payment of 6000$. We'll apply that money to the cost
of reviewing the "situation". You may be required to submit additional payment for final results.
No reimbursements even if the result is denial of your request.
Only way I got the ok to go "with legal nonconforming" setbacks was by bitching to my county supervisor.
Though we've yet to actually get permits so we don't even know if they'll honor that.
I have a "memo" from a county engineer he says to include with my permit application.
I'm inclined to shelve this project...but the wife wants it.
Title 24 might be the nail in the coffin if we have to include the cost of a solar power system.
On 3/5/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
I live in the service area of the number 1 leading "renewable"I just saw a KUSI interview in which a consumer advocate lawyer
sourced utility or at least they claim to be. My electric bill
starting Jan 1 which is a bunch of BS smoke and mirrors trying
obscure what they've done amounted to 50c/KwH. And I'm not using any
power in their punitive tier pricing.
explained the rates go up because the local utility makes money from
capital projects, not from consumer energy use.
So "renewable" isn't to blame, "new" is.
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