https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard
to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that
Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled
election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest
with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them.
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage
also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had
commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab
leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point
and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
On 3/7/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard
to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that
Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled
election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest
with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them.
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage
also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab
leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point
and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
You read the truth about Fox
and you do an IKYABWAI about CNN? And the
horse is out of the barn for CNN aiding Trump in 2016.
And, of course,
not reporting is different from lying and airing disinformation.
There's still no evidence of a lab leak, btw.
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 11:02:13 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/7/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard
to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that
Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled
election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and
correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest
with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them.
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage
also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had
commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab
leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point
and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
You read the truth about Fox
I was pasting a good point on they hypocrisy of CNN.
and you do an IKYABWAI about CNN? And the
horse is out of the barn for CNN aiding Trump in 2016.
You think that was unintentional or proof that CNN will do anything for ratings?
Hell, Don Lemon provoked a riot with the lies he put on CNN and then bragged about marching with the rioters. That's CNN.
Putting Trump in office kept their ratings up for 4 years and you think they didn't know what they were doing?
And, of course,
not reporting is different from lying and airing disinformation.
Hmmm, Isn't that what a lot of the complaint against Fox is?
Not pushing back on guests tales?
You need to make up your mind as to what's forbidden.
On 3/7/23 3:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 11:02:13 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/7/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard
to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that
Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled
election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and
correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest
with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them.
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage >>> also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had
commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab
leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point
and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
You read the truth about Fox
I was pasting a good point on they hypocrisy of CNN.Fox has a long history of ignoring unfavorable stories, which is a more
apt comparison to your apples-to-oranges.
and you do an IKYABWAI about CNN? And the
horse is out of the barn for CNN aiding Trump in 2016.
You think that was unintentional or proof that CNN will do anything for ratings?Unintentional, but related to ratings.
Hell, Don Lemon provoked a riot with the lies he put on CNN and then braggedWhat do you think I mean when I say CNN put him in the White House with excessive coverage?
about marching with the rioters. That's CNN.
Putting Trump in office kept their ratings up for 4 years and you think they
didn't know what they were doing?
And, of course,
not reporting is different from lying and airing disinformation.
Hmmm, Isn't that what a lot of the complaint against Fox is?No. It's about positively pushing the big lie.
Not pushing back on guests tales?If you don't mind hosts fooling you with stuff they think is untrue,
You need to make up your mind as to what's forbidden.
that's on you.
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:06:28 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/7/23 3:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 11:02:13 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Fox has a long history of ignoring unfavorable stories, which is a more
On 3/7/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard >>>>> to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that
Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled
election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and
correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest
with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them.
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage >>>>> also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had
commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab >>>>> leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point
and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
You read the truth about Fox
I was pasting a good point on they hypocrisy of CNN.
apt comparison to your apples-to-oranges.
Or maybe they won't repeat NYTs BS without verification....
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.
Unintentional, but related to ratings.and you do an IKYABWAI about CNN? And the
horse is out of the barn for CNN aiding Trump in 2016.
You think that was unintentional or proof that CNN will do anything for ratings?
You're so naive.
Hell, Don Lemon provoked a riot with the lies he put on CNN and then braggedWhat do you think I mean when I say CNN put him in the White House with
about marching with the rioters. That's CNN.
Putting Trump in office kept their ratings up for 4 years and you think they
didn't know what they were doing?
excessive coverage?
and then reaped even more from his presence in the WH.
No. It's about positively pushing the big lie.And, of course,
not reporting is different from lying and airing disinformation.
Hmmm, Isn't that what a lot of the complaint against Fox is?
I read the complaint....it was not pushing back on the tales of guests in the news.
Not pushing back on guests tales?If you don't mind hosts fooling you with stuff they think is untrue,
You need to make up your mind as to what's forbidden.
that's on you.
I look for proof. If they have it, I'll look at it.
Like Tucker's video you'll gouge your own eyes out to avoid seeing.
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.
On 3/7/23 11:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.
https://asharangappa.substack.com/p/inside-the-fox-news-sausage-factory?r=3od4c&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
On 3/7/23 11:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:06:28 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/7/23 3:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 11:02:13 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Fox has a long history of ignoring unfavorable stories, which is a more >> apt comparison to your apples-to-oranges.
On 3/7/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/03/07/the-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-case-may-not-be-as-explosive-as-the-press-is-claiming-n712721
At its core, Fox News is not a news network. News networks work hard >>>>> to deliver the truth to their viewers. These documents reveal that >>>>> Fox News executives and hosts knew the truth and yet they peddled >>>>> election lies to the audience. And when the handful of hosts and
correspondents who have integrity at the channel tried to be honest >>>>> with viewers, the highest levels of Fox News worked against them. >>>>>
Be sure to fully absorb that paragraph. Amazingly that entire passage >>>>> also perfectly describes CNN, as we have just been shown that
internal emails at the network revealed former CEO Jeff Zucker had >>>>> commanded that CNN completely smother any reporting on the Wuhan lab >>>>> leak theory, on the basis that it was a Donald Trump talking point >>>>> and he did not want his network aiding the president in any
capacity.
You read the truth about Fox
I was pasting a good point on they hypocrisy of CNN.
Or maybe they won't repeat NYTs BS without verification....No, Fox chooses to ignore stuff that challenges its audience.
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.
Unintentional, but related to ratings.and you do an IKYABWAI about CNN? And the
horse is out of the barn for CNN aiding Trump in 2016.
You think that was unintentional or proof that CNN will do anything for ratings?
You're so naive.Fits the facts. CNN chased ratings despite the personal political differences management may have had.
Hell, Don Lemon provoked a riot with the lies he put on CNN and then braggedWhat do you think I mean when I say CNN put him in the White House with >> excessive coverage?
about marching with the rioters. That's CNN.
Putting Trump in office kept their ratings up for 4 years and you think they
didn't know what they were doing?
and then reaped even more from his presence in the WH.Not in dispute. You don't see how that weakens your anti-CNN case?
No. It's about positively pushing the big lie.And, of course,
not reporting is different from lying and airing disinformation.
Hmmm, Isn't that what a lot of the complaint against Fox is?
I read the complaint....it was not pushing back on the tales of guests in the news.And putting them on continually knowing their claims were false.
Not pushing back on guests tales?If you don't mind hosts fooling you with stuff they think is untrue,
You need to make up your mind as to what's forbidden.
that's on you.
I look for proof. If they have it, I'll look at it.I saw Tucker's video and its flaws are readily apparent.
Like Tucker's video you'll gouge your own eyes out to avoid seeing.
The Hawley retreat a prime example of a political hit job.
On 3/7/23 11:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.https://asharangappa.substack.com/p/inside-the-fox-news-sausage-factory?r=3od4c&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
First, though, let’s see how the “traditional” media system operates. Benckler et al., describe this system as a “reality check dynamic.” In such a system, truth is policed on a number of dimensions. For example,
to maintain their own reputation as outlets that are honest, outlets
must police politicians on the truth of their statements — this
constrains what politicians, who are seeking favorable coverage, try to
(and can) get away with on air. Media outlets also police each other,
since a revelation that a competing outlet got a story wrong offers an opportunity to build their own audience and credibility. Both of these temper the extent to which traditional media outlets can offer 100% “identity confirming narratives” — in such a system audiences will inevitably hear things they don’t like or want to hear, and because
there is also a truth-seeking motive by audiences, they may check what
they are hearing from one outlet against another. Further, because
audiences within this system are exposed to the media’s own internal policing (for example, an outlet might offer a retraction, or admit they misreported something), their trust is moderated — they approach the
news more critically.
Of course, there are very few outlets that fall perfectly into this
model ... but the truth-policing mechanisms from all of the participants will act as a check on how unreliable they can become before their
audience shrinks.
End quote.
That's the standard model I'm talking about,
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
I saw Tucker's video and its flaws are readily apparent.
No more so than the committee released clips, many played in a loop for effect.
The Hawley retreat a prime example of a political hit job.
The Hawley retreat a prime example of a political hit job.I agree with that.
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 8:04:58 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/7/23 11:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
you know that standard journo BS you were just touting.https://asharangappa.substack.com/p/inside-the-fox-news-sausage-factory?r=3od4c&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
First, though, let’s see how the “traditional” media system operates. >> Benckler et al., describe this system as a “reality check dynamic.” In >> such a system, truth is policed on a number of dimensions. For example,
to maintain their own reputation as outlets that are honest, outlets
must police politicians on the truth of their statements — this
constrains what politicians, who are seeking favorable coverage, try to
(and can) get away with on air. Media outlets also police each other,
since a revelation that a competing outlet got a story wrong offers an
opportunity to build their own audience and credibility. Both of these
temper the extent to which traditional media outlets can offer 100%
“identity confirming narratives” — in such a system audiences will
inevitably hear things they don’t like or want to hear, and because
there is also a truth-seeking motive by audiences, they may check what
they are hearing from one outlet against another. Further, because
audiences within this system are exposed to the media’s own internal
policing (for example, an outlet might offer a retraction, or admit they
misreported something), their trust is moderated — they approach the
news more critically.
Of course, there are very few outlets that fall perfectly into this
model ... but the truth-policing mechanisms from all of the participants
will act as a check on how unreliable they can become before their
audience shrinks.
End quote.
That's the standard model I'm talking about,
Great, we can judge credibility by audience size.
Hows Fox matchup to CNN or MSNBC?
I will note, your audience of concurring viewers is 1 or less.
mINE109 wrote:
Context: https://www.abc27.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2021/01/snapshot-11-1-1.jpg
The Hawley retreat a prime example of a political hit job.I agree with that.
When standard model media competes, the level of truth-telling rises
whereas the propaganda outlets go farther out on a limb in lying.
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