anyone?
On 3/10/23 1:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.levernews.com/svb-chief-pressed-lawmakers-to-weaken-bank-risk-regs/
Eight years before the second-largest bank failure in American history occurred this week, the bank’s president personally pressed Congress to reduce scrutiny of his financial institution, citing the “low risk
profile of our activities and business model,” according to federal records reviewed by The Lever.
Three years later — after the bank spent more than half a million
dollars on federal lobbying — lawmakers obliged.
In 2015, SVB President Greg Becker appeared before a Senate panel to
push legislators to exempt more banks — including his own — from new regulations passed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Despite warnings from some senators, Becker’s lobbying effort was ultimately successful...
Around that time, federal disclosure records show the bank was lobbying lawmakers on “financial regulatory reform” and the Systemic Risk Designation Improvement Act of 2015 — a bill that was the precursor to legislation ultimately signed by President Donald Trump that increased
the regulatory threshold for stronger stress tests to $250 billion.
Trump signed the bill despite a report from Democrats on Congress’ Joint Economic Committee warning that under the new law, SVB and other banks
of its size “would no longer be subject to nearly any enhanced regulations.”
End quote.
It's just another SPP of blaming Trump
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:54:22 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/10/23 1:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.levernews.com/svb-chief-pressed-lawmakers-to-weaken-bank-risk-regs/
Eight years before the second-largest bank failure in American history occurred this week, the bank’s president personally pressed Congress to reduce scrutiny of his financial institution, citing the “low risk profile of our activities and business model,” according to federal records reviewed by The Lever.
Three years later — after the bank spent more than half a million dollars on federal lobbying — lawmakers obliged.
In 2015, SVB President Greg Becker appeared before a Senate panel to
push legislators to exempt more banks — including his own — from new regulations passed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Despite warnings from some senators, Becker’s lobbying effort was ultimately successful...
Around that time, federal disclosure records show the bank was lobbying lawmakers on “financial regulatory reform” and the Systemic Risk Designation Improvement Act of 2015 — a bill that was the precursor to legislation ultimately signed by President Donald Trump that increased
the regulatory threshold for stronger stress tests to $250 billion.
Trump signed the bill despite a report from Democrats on Congress’ Joint Economic Committee warning that under the new law, SVB and other banks
of its size “would no longer be subject to nearly any enhanced regulations.”
End quote.But no claim that such "enhanced regulations" would have prevented this. It's just another SPP of blaming Trump in the same playbook as the train derailment.
Meanwhile....Joe get's a pass for all the tragedy on his watch...because everyone knows
he isn't watching anything. Just stumbling and bumbling.
ScottW
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:Eight years before the second-largest bank failure in American history
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:54:22 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/10/23 1:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.levernews.com/svb-chief-pressed-lawmakers-to-weaken-bank-risk-regs/
occurred this week, the bank’s president personally pressed
Congress to reduce scrutiny of his financial institution, citing
the “low risk profile of our activities and business model,”
according to federal records reviewed by The Lever.
Three years later — after the bank spent more than half a
million dollars on federal lobbying — lawmakers obliged.
In 2015, SVB President Greg Becker appeared before a Senate panel
to push legislators to exempt more banks — including his own —
from new regulations passed in the wake of the 2008 financial
crisis. Despite warnings from some senators, Becker’s lobbying
effort was ultimately successful...
Around that time, federal disclosure records show the bank was
lobbying lawmakers on “financial regulatory reform” and the
Systemic Risk Designation Improvement Act of 2015 — a bill that
was the precursor to legislation ultimately signed by President
Donald Trump that increased the regulatory threshold for stronger
stress tests to $250 billion.
Trump signed the bill despite a report from Democrats on
Congress’ Joint Economic Committee warning that under the new
law, SVB and other banks of its size “would no longer be subject
to nearly any enhanced regulations.”
End quote.
But no claim that such "enhanced regulations" would have preventedRegulation or lack of it had little to do with basic mismanagement.
this. It's just another SPP of blaming Trump in the same playbook
as the train derailment. Meanwhile....Joe get's a pass for all the
tragedy on his watch...because everyone knows he isn't watching
anything. Just stumbling and bumbling.
They made two major mistakes. 1) Had too much of their assets in govt
bonds. Now govt bonds, as safe, in the long term, at maturity. But
before maturity they can fluctuate downward (in paper asset value)
whne interest rates rise. Then they become low interest bonds with depreciated market value (based on competing higher interest ewer
bonds) until that is made whole at maturity date, Now, the problem
is that banks need to have positive net assets, so the having market depreciated (present book value) bonds , plus, having a whole lot of
them, screwed up their asse/debit ratio.
2) Instead of throwing in the towel early on the bank run, they
desperately sold off their bond assets at a loss. if they gave up,
but still held on to the bonds, the money would still be there,
albeit only on the long-term future, to protect deposit holders, who,
after so many years, would be able to recoup their deposits,
Though there was one problem some regs could fix. SVB required
borrowers to keep massive cash deposits in the bank, to the point of exclusivity,
anyone?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11844515/Silicon-Valley-Bank-halts-trading-pending-announcement.html
CNBC is nothing but this calamity.
Containment is the watchword of the moment.
ScottW
On 3/11/23 4:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:Eight years before the second-largest bank failure in American history
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:54:22 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/10/23 1:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.levernews.com/svb-chief-pressed-lawmakers-to-weaken-bank-risk-regs/
occurred this week, the bank’s president personally pressed
Congress to reduce scrutiny of his financial institution, citing
the “low risk profile of our activities and business model,”
according to federal records reviewed by The Lever.
Three years later — after the bank spent more than half a
million dollars on federal lobbying — lawmakers obliged.
In 2015, SVB President Greg Becker appeared before a Senate panel
to push legislators to exempt more banks — including his own —
from new regulations passed in the wake of the 2008 financial
crisis. Despite warnings from some senators, Becker’s lobbying
effort was ultimately successful...
Around that time, federal disclosure records show the bank was
lobbying lawmakers on “financial regulatory reform” and the
Systemic Risk Designation Improvement Act of 2015 — a bill that
was the precursor to legislation ultimately signed by President
Donald Trump that increased the regulatory threshold for stronger
stress tests to $250 billion.
Trump signed the bill despite a report from Democrats on
Congress’ Joint Economic Committee warning that under the new
law, SVB and other banks of its size “would no longer be subject
to nearly any enhanced regulations.”
End quote.
But no claim that such "enhanced regulations" would have preventedRegulation or lack of it had little to do with basic mismanagement.
this. It's just another SPP of blaming Trump in the same playbook
as the train derailment. Meanwhile....Joe get's a pass for all the
tragedy on his watch...because everyone knows he isn't watching
anything. Just stumbling and bumbling.
They made two major mistakes. 1) Had too much of their assets in govt bonds. Now govt bonds, as safe, in the long term, at maturity. But
before maturity they can fluctuate downward (in paper asset value)
whne interest rates rise. Then they become low interest bonds with depreciated market value (based on competing higher interest ewer
bonds) until that is made whole at maturity date, Now, the problem
is that banks need to have positive net assets, so the having market depreciated (present book value) bonds , plus, having a whole lot of
them, screwed up their asse/debit ratio.
2) Instead of throwing in the towel early on the bank run, they desperately sold off their bond assets at a loss. if they gave up,
but still held on to the bonds, the money would still be there,
albeit only on the long-term future, to protect deposit holders, who, after so many years, would be able to recoup their deposits,
Though there was one problem some regs could fix. SVB requiredYes, and there was nothing stopping depositors from splitting their
borrowers to keep massive cash deposits in the bank, to the point of exclusivity,
deposits into insurable sizes.
On 11/03/2023 6:23 am, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11844515/Silicon-Valley-Bank-halts-trading-pending-announcement.html
CNBC is nothing but this calamity.
Containment is the watchword of the moment.
ScottW**Trump set the bank up to fail, by ignoring regulators. In any case,
Trump is a very bad businessman:
https://labor411.org/411-blog/here-are-all-of-trump-s-bankruptcies-and-failed-businesses/
The only person in history to bankrupt 4 casinos.
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On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:28:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/03/2023 6:23 am, ScottW wrote:
anyone?**Trump set the bank up to fail, by ignoring regulators. In any case,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11844515/Silicon-Valley-Bank-halts-trading-pending-announcement.html
CNBC is nothing but this calamity.
Containment is the watchword of the moment.
ScottW
Trump is a very bad businessman:
https://labor411.org/411-blog/here-are-all-of-trump-s-bankruptcies-and-failed-businesses/
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Today was a very rainy day. It's all Trump's fault
The only person in history to bankrupt 4 casinos.
Today was a very rainy day. It's all Trump's fault
On 13/03/2023 1:21 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:28:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/03/2023 6:23 am, ScottW wrote:
anyone?**Trump set the bank up to fail, by ignoring regulators. In any case,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11844515/Silicon-Valley-Bank-halts-trading-pending-announcement.html
CNBC is nothing but this calamity.
Containment is the watchword of the moment.
ScottW
Trump is a very bad businessman:
https://labor411.org/411-blog/here-are-all-of-trump-s-bankruptcies-and-failed-businesses/
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Today was a very rainy day. It's all Trump's fault**Nope. It was Trump's fault that thousands of people lost their livelihoods, in his many, many business failures.
Face it: Trump is and always was a loser, a very bad businessman, a liar
and a complete moron.
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 10:24:39 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 13/03/2023 1:21 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:28:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Nope. It was Trump's fault that thousands of people lost their
On 11/03/2023 6:23 am, ScottW wrote:
anyone?**Trump set the bank up to fail, by ignoring regulators. In any case,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11844515/Silicon-Valley-Bank-halts-trading-pending-announcement.html
CNBC is nothing but this calamity.
Containment is the watchword of the moment.
ScottW
Trump is a very bad businessman:
https://labor411.org/411-blog/here-are-all-of-trump-s-bankruptcies-and-failed-businesses/
The only person in history to bankrupt 4 casinos.
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Today was a very rainy day. It's all Trump's fault
livelihoods, in his many, many business failures.
Face it: Trump is and always was a loser, a very bad businessman, a liar
and a complete moron.
Thank Biden for far much worse problems
Over 50,000 fentanyl deaths per year
15 per day
due to hos softness and complicity with China and refusal to
secure our southern border.
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/09/16/2517859/0/en/Fentanyl-is-Now-the-Leading-Cause-of-Death-for-American-Adults-The-Detox-Center-of-Los-Angeles-is-on-the-Front-Lines.html
https://www.cdc.gov/stopoverdose/fentanyl/index.html
Don't forget his thoroughly corrupt family dealings with China
He is OWNED by China, who has the goods on him and his son Hunter, and China uses it
to blackmail him.
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 1:28:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/11/23 4:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:54:22 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/10/23 1:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
anyone?
https://www.levernews.com/svb-chief-pressed-lawmakers-to-weaken-bank-risk-regs/
Though there was one problem some regs could fix. SVB requiredYes, and there was nothing stopping depositors from splitting their
borrowers to keep massive cash deposits in the bank, to the point of
exclusivity,
deposits into insurable sizes.
well, yes for individuals with large deposits, BUT, this bank serviced a whole lot
of corporate accounts which were used for large daily or weekly deposits and withdrawals
for business purposes such as meeting payroll, paying vendors, other expenses, and deposits of
business income. Those accounts cannot be subdivided into $500,000 components.
ROKU had about $500 million on deposit. They would need 1,000 distinctly separate accounts.
here is a list https://techstory.in/list-of-companies-affected-by-the-silicon-valley-bank-crisis/
Over 50,000 fentanyl deaths per yearhttps://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers
15 per day
due to hos softness and complicity with China and refusal to
secure our southern border.
On 3/13/23 1:19 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Don't forget his thoroughly corrupt family dealings with Chinahttps://www.axios.com/pro/energy-policy/2023/03/09/hunter-bidens-mine-truth
He is OWNED by China, who has the goods on him and his son Hunter, and China uses it
to blackmail him.
Reality check: Freeport-McMoRan, the American mining company involved in
the deal, provided a statement to Axios asserting that the Hunter-linked firm was not involved in selling Freeport-McMoRan's majority ownership
of the mine.
BHR was not mentioned in media releases at the time of the
Freeport-China Molybdenum deal announcement.
“BHR Partners did not play a role in our sale and was not a party to
this sale,” Dan Kravets, Freeport vice president of corporate
development and exploration, said in a statement...
Simply put, this means the Chinese firm got its deal for the controlling stake in the mine before BHR got involved, and BHR was apparently not involved in the transaction most central to China securing control of
the mine.
The big picture: Given all that, it’s unclear whether there was a way
the U.S., or Obama officials, could have ever gotten involved in the
part of the deal in which BHR was involved.
End quote.
Oldies but goodies.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
• The granular details of many of the allegations about Hunter Biden’s dealings in China are supported by documentation, but larger conclusions resurrected at the end of the 2020 campaign are unsubstantiated.
• Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a
picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so.
End quote.
"The documentary never says that either Biden broke the law, but its
pairing of the Bidens with Chinese figures charged with espionage and
other crimes, punctuated by spooky music, might give a viewer that impression."
Well, if there's spooky music, it must be true.
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking
the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
Don't forget his thoroughly corrupt family dealings with China
He is OWNED by China, who has the goods on him and his son Hunter, and China uses it
to blackmail him.
Well, if there's spooky music, it must be true.
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking
the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking
the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
You can start off by admitting that Hunter Biden, son of the then VPOTUS, received
many millions from Chinese interests, and that it is inappropriate for a close family
member of the VPOS to do so.
You can also admit that Hunter Biden had no particular expertise regarding the business of these companies.
And then you can admit that the reason these foreign companies hired and paid
Hunter Biden was because of his influence as a son of the sitting VPOTUS.
And finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreign influence peddling is just fibe with you.
On 3/13/23 10:58 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking >> the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
You can start off by admitting that Hunter Biden, son of the then VPOTUS, receivedBut it's okay for Trump's family?
many millions from Chinese interests, and that it is inappropriate for a close family
member of the VPOS to do so.
You can also admit that Hunter Biden had no particular expertise regarding the business of these companies.Here's the WaPo article that's the most credible report:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-hunter-biden-e2-80-99s-multimillion-dollar-deals-with-a-chinese-energy-company/ar-AAVFFrA
And then you can admit that the reason these foreign companies hired and paid"The Post did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from
Hunter Biden was because of his influence as a son of the sitting VPOTUS.
or knew details about the transactions with CEFC, which took place after
he had left the vice presidency and before he announced his intentions
to run for the White House in 2020."
However: "An intermediary from CEFC initially reached out to Hunter
Biden in December 2015 to set up a meeting between the then-vice president’s son and Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of the Chinese firm."
Good timing to jump on the last year of a lame-duck administration. The
deal fell through, according to the New Yorker, and they didn't meet
until after Joe left office.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign
Lots of addiction-related dirt, it provides context for the time period.
And finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreign influence peddling is just fibe with you.Why would I do that? I'm against cronyism in general.
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/13/23 10:58 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:But it's okay for Trump's family?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking >>>> the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
You can start off by admitting that Hunter Biden, son of the then VPOTUS, received
many millions from Chinese interests, and that it is inappropriate for a close family
member of the VPOS to do so.
You can also admit that Hunter Biden had no particular expertise regarding >>> the business of these companies.Here's the WaPo article that's the most credible report:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-hunter-biden-e2-80-99s-multimillion-dollar-deals-with-a-chinese-energy-company/ar-AAVFFrA
And then you can admit that the reason these foreign companies hired and paidor knew details about the transactions with CEFC, which took place after
Hunter Biden was because of his influence as a son of the sitting VPOTUS. >> "The Post did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from
he had left the vice presidency and before he announced his intentions
to run for the White House in 2020."
However: "An intermediary from CEFC initially reached out to Hunter
Biden in December 2015 to set up a meeting between the then-vice
president’s son and Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of the Chinese >> firm."
Good timing to jump on the last year of a lame-duck administration. The
deal fell through, according to the New Yorker, and they didn't meet
until after Joe left office.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign
Lots of addiction-related dirt, it provides context for the time period.
And finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreign influence peddling is just fibe with you.Why would I do that? I'm against cronyism in general.
In general. How about specifics?
If so, then you have a problem with the Biden family's corruption and influence peddling
On 3/13/23 4:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/13/23 10:58 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:But it's okay for Trump's family?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking >>>> the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
You can start off by admitting that Hunter Biden, son of the then VPOTUS, received
many millions from Chinese interests, and that it is inappropriate for a close family
member of the VPOS to do so.
You can also admit that Hunter Biden had no particular expertise regardingHere's the WaPo article that's the most credible report:
the business of these companies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-hunter-biden-e2-80-99s-multimillion-dollar-deals-with-a-chinese-energy-company/ar-AAVFFrA
And then you can admit that the reason these foreign companies hired and paid"The Post did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from >> or knew details about the transactions with CEFC, which took place after >> he had left the vice presidency and before he announced his intentions
Hunter Biden was because of his influence as a son of the sitting VPOTUS.
to run for the White House in 2020."
However: "An intermediary from CEFC initially reached out to Hunter
Biden in December 2015 to set up a meeting between the then-vice
president’s son and Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of the Chinese
firm."
Good timing to jump on the last year of a lame-duck administration. The >> deal fell through, according to the New Yorker, and they didn't meet
until after Joe left office.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign
Lots of addiction-related dirt, it provides context for the time period. >>> And finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreign influence peddling is just fibe with you.
Why would I do that? I'm against cronyism in general.
In general. How about specifics?I'm consistently against specific cronyism, usually with the caveat that much of it is legal.
If so, then you have a problem with the Biden family's corruption and influence peddlingI'm consoled by Joe Biden's distance from family business matters such
that there is no influence to be peddled. And "corruption" implies
illegal acts which have not been shown to have happened.
I'm consoled by Joe Biden's distance from family business matters such
that there is no influence to be peddled.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
ScottW
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 6:01:15 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/13/23 4:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/13/23 10:58 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:But it's okay for Trump's family?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/
"However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking
the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so."
You can start off by admitting that Hunter Biden, son of the then VPOTUS, received
many millions from Chinese interests, and that it is inappropriate for a close family
member of the VPOS to do so.
You can also admit that Hunter Biden had no particular expertise regardingHere's the WaPo article that's the most credible report:
the business of these companies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-hunter-biden-e2-80-99s-multimillion-dollar-deals-with-a-chinese-energy-company/ar-AAVFFrA
And then you can admit that the reason these foreign companies hired and paid"The Post did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from
Hunter Biden was because of his influence as a son of the sitting VPOTUS.
or knew details about the transactions with CEFC, which took place after
he had left the vice presidency and before he announced his intentions >> to run for the White House in 2020."
However: "An intermediary from CEFC initially reached out to Hunter
Biden in December 2015 to set up a meeting between the then-vice
president’s son and Ye Jianming, the founder and chairman of the Chinese
firm."
Good timing to jump on the last year of a lame-duck administration. The >> deal fell through, according to the New Yorker, and they didn't meet
until after Joe left office.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign
Lots of addiction-related dirt, it provides context for the time period.
And finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreign influence peddling is just fibe with you.Why would I do that? I'm against cronyism in general.
It's amazing! You are actually consoled by your own ignorance.In general. How about specifics?I'm consistently against specific cronyism, usually with the caveat that much of it is legal.
If so, then you have a problem with the Biden family's corruption and influence peddlingI'm consoled by Joe Biden's distance from family business matters such that there is no influence to be peddled. And "corruption" implies
illegal acts which have not been shown to have happened.
So, you admit that its ok for a VP's son to have financial dealings with agents from a foreign adversary, as long as you can assume the VP closes his eyes to know any details of those dealings.
And you would also hold the same standard to your political adversaries, the Rpublicans, right?
I don't think so, you have an subjective escape hatch on that one.
Your answer is thus: It's ok for Dems to do it because I trust them, but it's
not ok if Republicans do it because I don't trust them.
On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 6:01:15 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/13/23 4:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I'm consistently against specific cronyism, usually with the caveatAnd finally, you can admit that thus sort of foreignWhy would I do that? I'm against cronyism in general.
influence peddling is just fibe with you.
In general. How about specifics?
that much of it is legal.
If so, then you have a problem with the Biden family's corruptionI'm consoled by Joe Biden's distance from family business matters
and influence peddling
such that there is no influence to be peddled. And "corruption"
implies illegal acts which have not been shown to have happened.
It's amazing! You are actually consoled by your own ignorance.
So, you admit that its ok for a VP's son to have financial dealings
with agents from a foreign adversary, as long as you can assume the
VP closes his eyes to know any details of those dealings.
And you would also hold the same standard to your political
adversaries, the Rpublicans, right?
I don't think so, you have an subjective escape hatch on that one.
Your answer is thus: It's ok for Dems to do it because I trust them,
but it's not ok if Republicans do it because I don't trust them.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
I don't think so, you have an subjective escape hatch on that one.
Your answer is thus: It's ok for Dems to do it because I trust them,Are you arguing with yourself? Trust is earned
but it's not ok if Republicans do it because I don't trust them.
On 3/13/23 11:16 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
No evidence they actually met.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/10/30/whats-the-deal-with-hunter-bidens-emails-ukraine-and-china
"It’s not clear from the wording of the email whether the meeting ever took place, and the vice president’s official schedule doesn’t show any record of a meeting with Pozharskyi, according to Biden’s campaign."
Are you arguing with yourself? Trust is earned
I don't think so, you have an subjective escape hatch on that
one.
Your answer is thus: It's ok for Dems to do it because I trust
them, but it's not ok if Republicans do it because I don't trust
them.
Please explain to me how Hunter and Joe Biden have earned your
trust.
Hunter, a known philandering former drug addict. Won't accept
financial. responsibility in raising his offspring. collects foreign
payments and board positions in industries in which he has no
experience or expertise. The foreign nations who's actors he works
for are hostile to the United States. After those sources dry up he
suddenly becomes a renowned artist, selling his works for up to
$250,00 each, to undisclosed purchasers. Please tell me again that
there is no influence peddling in all this, and that Hunter has
earned your trust,
Joe Biden, identified as Big Guy, who skims 10% off of Hunters shady
income stream, claims the "SGT Schultz" defense, knows nothing . Even
several years after Hunter's antics were exposed to the public, he
has done nothing to stop this, even afa the recent art scheme. Recent
email exposures show that Joe was knowledgeable of and participated
in Hunters indulgence peddling. Emails to Joe from Hunter's
benefactors thanking him for meeting with them.
Yesterday you told us you oppose cronyism. Obvious, you were lying to
us.
On 3/14/23 2:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Please explain to me how Hunter and Joe Biden have earned yourHunter, not so much, Joe, a lifetime of service.
trust.
Hunter, a known philandering former drug addict. Won't acceptNot so much.
financial. responsibility in raising his offspring. collects foreign payments and board positions in industries in which he has no
experience or expertise. The foreign nations who's actors he works
for are hostile to the United States. After those sources dry up he suddenly becomes a renowned artist, selling his works for up to
$250,00 each, to undisclosed purchasers. Please tell me again that
there is no influence peddling in all this, and that Hunter has
earned your trust,
Joe Biden, identified as Big Guy, who skims 10% off of Hunters shady income stream, claims the "SGT Schultz" defense, knows nothing . Even several years after Hunter's antics were exposed to the public, he
has done nothing to stop this, even afa the recent art scheme. Recent email exposures show that Joe was knowledgeable of and participated
in Hunters indulgence peddling. Emails to Joe from Hunter's
benefactors thanking him for meeting with them.
No, I don't accept those characterizations.
isn't going to step in to stop dodgy art deals, etc, and if that makes
him look bad, remember that statements against interest are considered credible.
Yesterday you told us you oppose cronyism. Obvious, you were lying to
us.
I can't deprive you of the pleasure get from accusing me , but
disagreement isn't lying.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 1:21:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/14/23 2:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Joe Biden, identified as Big Guy, who skims 10% off of Hunters shady
income stream, claims the "SGT Schultz" defense, knows nothing . Even
several years after Hunter's antics were exposed to the public, he
has done nothing to stop this, even afa the recent art scheme. Recent
email exposures show that Joe was knowledgeable of and participated
in Hunters indulgence peddling. Emails to Joe from Hunter's
benefactors thanking him for meeting with them.
No, I don't accept those characterizations.
That is the core of your problem.
That Chinese wall means Joe isn't going to step in to stop dodgy art deals, etc, and if that makes
him look bad, remember that statements against interest are considered
credible.
Chinese wall is an apt description! They built it.
and staying technically blind furthers Joe's Sgt Schultz defense.
The art dealer shielding him in secrecy is another one of his
corrupt allies.
The point of the secrecy is that we don't know, not that Huner doesn't know
Yesterday you told us you oppose cronyism. Obvious, you were lying to
us.
I can't deprive you of the pleasure get from accusing me , but
disagreement isn't lying.
Your support of Biden cronyism certainly is evidence of your lying about being against cronyism.
Your support of Biden cronyism certainly is evidence of your lying about being against cronyism.No support, no lying.
Your support of Biden cronyism certainly is evidence of your lying about >>> being against cronyism.No support, no lying.
If you were against cronyism, you would be critical of Hunter, the VPOTUS (at that time)
son, getting numerous foreign payments for consulting work and board memberships
from CCP affiliated entities, or from any foreign sources, for that matter, especially if from
an antagonistic nation. And especially since Hunter has no expertise and no experience
in the matters they hired him for. It cronyism,
it is obvious that the ONLY attribute Hunter brought to the table
was his familial access to the VPOTUS.
Hence, you are NOT against cronyism, and that by saying that you are against cronyism, it is butt-crack obvious that you are a lying son of a bitch.
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You're blowing smoke. I don't defend cronyism but I do point out your factual errors. I also don't bother much reminding you of the blindingly obvious equivalent right-wing activities, such as the newly-arrested
Chinese con man who just sponsored CPAC with a history of bankrolling disinformation.
Let's look at your list...
I disapprove of Hunter's foreign board activities and investment funds
Joe was not VP at the time Hunter received Chinese payments
China is not an "antagonistic nation" such that it's suspicious to do business there
Hunter has a law degree and corporate experience to go along with his
famous relation
I've been consistently against that kind of cronyism as well as the
lobbying and think tank culture in general but until that's illegal
you're entitled to your opinion but that's all.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You're blowing smoke. I don't defend cronyism but I do point out your factual errors. I also don't bother much reminding you of the blindingly obvious equivalent right-wing activities, such as the newly-arrested Chinese con man who just sponsored CPAC with a history of bankrolling disinformation.That is about as lame as it gets. You're shooting blanks.
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking money
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
and what have YOU got?
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,
not any elected official of any sort who you accuse withe the HAZY charge of sending out disinformation.
Well, lets look at all the liberal hacks vomiting their daily doses of leftwing propaganda.
CNN, all of it
MSNBS,
Let's look at your list...
I disapprove of Hunter's foreign board activities and investment funds
Joe was not VP at the time Hunter received Chinese payments
China is not an "antagonistic nation" such that it's suspicious to do business there
Hunter has a law degree and corporate experience to go along with his famous relation
I've been consistently against that kind of cronyism as well as the lobbying and think tank culture in general but until that's illegal
you're entitled to your opinion but that's all.
My opinion is based upon facts.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You're blowing smoke. I don't defend cronyism but I do point out your
factual errors. I also don't bother much reminding you of the blindingly
obvious equivalent right-wing activities, such as the newly-arrested
Chinese con man who just sponsored CPAC with a history of bankrolling
disinformation.
That is about as lame as it gets. You're shooting blanks.
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking money
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
and what have YOU got?
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,
not any elected official of any sort who you accuse withe the HAZY charge of sending out disinformation.
Well, lets look at all the liberal hacks vomiting their daily doses of leftwing propaganda.
CNN, all of it
MSNBS,
Let's look at your list...
I disapprove of Hunter's foreign board activities and investment funds
Joe was not VP at the time Hunter received Chinese payments
China is not an "antagonistic nation" such that it's suspicious to do
business there
Hunter has a law degree and corporate experience to go along with his
famous relation
I've been consistently against that kind of cronyism as well as the
lobbying and think tank culture in general but until that's illegal
you're entitled to your opinion but that's all.
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:07:59 PM UTC-4, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:That is about as lame as it gets. You're shooting blanks.
You're blowing smoke. I don't defend cronyism but I do point out your
factual errors. I also don't bother much reminding you of the blindingly >>> obvious equivalent right-wing activities, such as the newly-arrested
Chinese con man who just sponsored CPAC with a history of bankrolling
disinformation.
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking money
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
and what have YOU got?
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,
not any elected official of any sort who you accuse withe the HAZY charge of sending out disinformation.
Well, lets look at all the liberal hacks vomiting their daily doses of
leftwing propaganda.
CNN, all of it
MSNBS,
TO CONTINUE (I POSTED TOO EARLY)
MSNBC, all of it
NYT
Washington Post
NPR,
Brian Stelter
The View
Jimmy Kimmel
Chuck Todd
etc,. too numerous to mention all of them
Let's look at your list...
I disapprove of Hunter's foreign board activities and investment funds
Joe was not VP at the time Hunter received Chinese payments
That does not matter one bit, The issue is when the goods were delivered to the Chinese,
At any rate, Joe was a powerful influencer past his VP days.
WHAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????China is not an "antagonistic nation" such that it's suspicious to do
business there
What the fuck?????
You don't think the Chinese are antagonistic towards us?
I can go on and on and on.
Looks like even the mainstream media shows you to be a LIAR.
Hunter has a law degree and corporate experience to go along with his
famous relation
He has no experience in foreign relations, gas exploration and production, nor any
other relative subject
There are 1.3 MILLION lawyers in the US, but somehow, foreign interests picked Hunter
https://www.statista.com/statistics/740222/number-of-lawyers-us/
There are over 69,000 coeporate executives in the US, but Somehow
foreign interests selected Hunter
https://www.zippia.com/business-executive-jobs/demographics/
I've been consistently against that kind of cronyism as well as the
lobbying and think tank culture in general but until that's illegal
you're entitled to your opinion but that's all.
My opinion is based upon facts.
Your opinion is based upon cultish fantasies.
Your opinion is based upon cultish fantasies.IKYABWAI, Fox viewer.
mINE109 wrote:
I had to chuckle when Sack-Shmoo included Jimmy Kimmel
Your opinion is based upon cultish fantasies.IKYABWAI, Fox viewer.
in the group of journalists he fears.
In the Phlox arena, now that the curtain has been pulled back
and Murdoch's soldiers have been revealed as lying propagandists,
one might expect a fact-seeking viewer to re-evaluate their faith
in bizarro conspiracy theories in which Phlox has trafficked.
[pause while dumbass Shmoos ponder that very long sentence]
Religious faith only gets one so far in the real world. Labeling as
"facts" the Foxy falsehoods and other RWNJ propaganda places
a huge, dense barrier between the silo of victimhood and reality.
Religious faith only gets one so far in the real world. Labeling asLooks like I'm missing out not watch CNN:
"facts" the Foxy falsehoods and other RWNJ propaganda places
a huge, dense barrier between the silo of victimhood and reality.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-john-king-skewers-tucker-carlson-by-playing-his-coverage-of-sidney-powell-juxtaposed-with-his-text-calling-her-a-fking-btch/
That's a two-fer for me.
Meanwhile, for all Trump's efforts to saddle DeSantis with a nickname,
who'd have guessed 'pudding fingerer' would be in the running?
https://www.mediaite.com/weird/are-you-tapi-okay-desantis-reportedly-caught-on-flight-eating-pudding-with-his-fingers/
On 3/15/23 10:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:07:59 PM UTC-4, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:That is about as lame as it gets. You're shooting blanks.
You're blowing smoke. I don't defend cronyism but I do point out your >>> factual errors. I also don't bother much reminding you of the blindingly >>> obvious equivalent right-wing activities, such as the newly-arrested
Chinese con man who just sponsored CPAC with a history of bankrolling >>> disinformation.
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking money
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
and what have YOU got?
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,
not any elected official of any sort who you accuse withe the HAZY charge of sending out disinformation.
Well, lets look at all the liberal hacks vomiting their daily doses of
leftwing propaganda.
CNN, all of it
MSNBS,
TO CONTINUE (I POSTED TOO EARLY)
MSNBC, all of itSo what? The difference between these and Fox is they all want to report
NYT
Washington Post
NPR,
Brian Stelter
The View
Jimmy Kimmel
Chuck Todd
etc,. too numerous to mention all of them
in a truthful, verifiable, objective way, excepting the literal comedian
and entertainment figures on your list.
Let's look at your list...
I disapprove of Hunter's foreign board activities and investment funds >>> Joe was not VP at the time Hunter received Chinese payments
That does not matter one bit, The issue is when the goods were delivered to the Chinese,If your claim is "sitting VP" and he isn't, your claim fails.
At any rate, Joe was a powerful influencer past his VP days.
"such that it's suspicious to do business there," no. There is of courseWHAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????China is not an "antagonistic nation" such that it's suspicious to do >>> business there
What the fuck?????
You don't think the Chinese are antagonistic towards us?
the reality of competition for global predominance. If you need to understand the weakness of your argument, substitute "Russia" then
consider how the right tried to take "Russiagate" off the table.
<snip>
I can go on and on and on.https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/us-and-china-2021-trade-numbers/
Looks like even the mainstream media shows you to be a LIAR.No, it's you with a definition of "antagonistic" that only applies to relationships with people you don't like. I'm not going do a list of
Ivanka, McConnell, Banning links because that's common knowledge.
I guess you don't go to WalMart.
Hunter has a law degree and corporate experience to go along with his >>> famous relation
He has no experience in foreign relations, gas exploration and production, nor anyNow he does.
other relative subject
There are 1.3 MILLION lawyers in the US, but somehow, foreign interests picked Hunter
https://www.statista.com/statistics/740222/number-of-lawyers-us/
There are over 69,000 coeporate executives in the US, but Somehow
foreign interests selected Hunter
https://www.zippia.com/business-executive-jobs/demographics/Yes, that's the essence of the cronyism I object to. It's common for
Chinese business figures to hire offspring in hope of future advantage. Hunter should have steered clear. The prospect of future enrichment can
be a powerful incentive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_Moscow
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-business-ties-to-saudi-arabia-run-long-and-deep/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-and-saudi-arabia-deep-business-ties-spark-new-scrutiny/
I've been consistently against that kind of cronyism as well as the
lobbying and think tank culture in general but until that's illegal
you're entitled to your opinion but that's all.
My opinion is based upon facts.Not when you claim unproven things. There's no evidence Hunter's relationships have changed US policy or government actions the way you say.
Your opinion is based upon cultish fantasies.IKYABWAI, Fox viewer.
On 3/15/23 10:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking moneyAnd there's no proof of that happening.
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
and what have YOU got?I don't need to prove the negative.
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,Never heard of?! He was a big player: Bannon was arrested on his yacht!
He's the 'G' in G News and GTV, the 'Guo' of Guo Media where Bannon
appeared and enjoyed big-buck consulting contracts.
He was behind that shady Chinese virologist who spread lab
disinformation.
I guess you just won't accept agreement.
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 10:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking moneyAnd there's no proof of that happening.
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
You fucking moron. There doesn't need to be.
Just taking the money is flatout wrong. It IS NOT ACCEPTABLE for a son of a VPOTUS to
take money from foreign interests. PERIOD!
You are trying to tell us that it is ok for the Biden family
to collect millions from foreign interests, whether or not
there is proof of quid pro quo.
and what have YOU got?I don't need to prove the negative.
You have the position that it is ok for the Biden family
to collect millions from foreign interests, whether or not
there is proof of quid pro quo.
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,Never heard of?! He was a big player: Bannon was arrested on his yacht!
He's the 'G' in G News and GTV, the 'Guo' of Guo Media where Bannon
appeared and enjoyed big-buck consulting contracts.
He is NOT the VPOTUS son, nor any other member of his family.
He was behind that shady Chinese virologist who spread lab
disinformation.
Turns out, it was a lab leak.
Bat soup is debunked.
I guess you just won't accept agreement.
I accept honest agreement, but no your lying crap.
On 3/16/23 7:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 10:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:08:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/15/23 5:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I'm talking about the sitting POTUS and his corrupt nuclear family. Taking moneyAnd there's no proof of that happening.
from agents of a hostile foreign government i exchange for influence in our county's
inner governmental circle.
You fucking moron. There doesn't need to be.That means your claim is a religious belief.
Just taking the money is flatout wrong. It IS NOT ACCEPTABLE for a son of a VPOTUS toBut not illegal and certainly widespread. See how you're moving the line
take money from foreign interests. PERIOD!
to make it look like I'm defending it when I'm just responding to your umpteenth politically motivated tantrum?
You are trying to tell us that it is ok for the Biden familyI specified 'not.'
to collect millions from foreign interests, whether or not
there is proof of quid pro quo.
and what have YOU got?I don't need to prove the negative.
You have the position that it is ok for the Biden familyDouble down when you've lost.
to collect millions from foreign interests, whether or not
there is proof of quid pro quo.
Some sideline player nobody ever heard of until today, a contributor to PACs,Never heard of?! He was a big player: Bannon was arrested on his yacht! >> He's the 'G' in G News and GTV, the 'Guo' of Guo Media where Bannon
appeared and enjoyed big-buck consulting contracts.
He is NOT the VPOTUS son, nor any other member of his family.He supported Bannon's activities, which qualifies as "equivalent
right-wing activities."
He was behind that shady Chinese virologist who spread lab
disinformation.
Turns out, it was a lab leak.She turned up again after the Atlantic article! I guess everyone forgot
how thoroughly untrustworthy she was shown to be the first time.
Bat soup is debunked.
Yes, it wasn't bat soup.
I guess you just won't accept agreement.
I accept honest agreement, but no your lying crap.You've reduced the accusation of "lying" to noise.
He can't comprehend that foreign entities that are paying the Bidens millions are only doing this because they expect deliverables from the Bidens
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:55:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/16/23 7:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
You've reduced the accusation of "lying" to noise.
Steve tries again, fails again.
He can't comprehend that foreign entities that are paying the Bidens
millions are only doing this because they expect deliverables from
the Bidens worth much more than that,
Joe has nothing in particular to offer other than his family
connections. If they need a lawyer or a corporate manager or a
consultant, they could have gotten a lot better with someone else.
But they selected Hunter because he has what on one else had, that
is, Joe Biden as a father,
On 3/17/23 8:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:55:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/16/23 7:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
You've reduced the accusation of "lying" to noise.
Steve tries again, fails again.Sorry, no. Your insults and accusations are balloon juice at this point.
He can't comprehend that foreign entities that are paying the Bidens millions are only doing this because they expect deliverables fromThat they won't get and I explained the rationale in another post.
the Bidens worth much more than that,
Joe has nothing in particular to offer other than his familyYes, you're repeating yourself on stuff I've acknowledged. Since
connections. If they need a lawyer or a corporate manager or a
consultant, they could have gotten a lot better with someone else.
But they selected Hunter because he has what on one else had, that
is, Joe Biden as a father,
repeating is something you like: still not illegal and to no benefit to
the payers.
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/17/23 8:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:55:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Sorry, no. Your insults and accusations are balloon juice at this point.
On 3/16/23 7:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
You've reduced the accusation of "lying" to noise.
Steve tries again, fails again.
He can't comprehend that foreign entities that are paying the BidensThat they won't get and I explained the rationale in another post.
millions are only doing this because they expect deliverables from
the Bidens worth much more than that,
Joe has nothing in particular to offer other than his familyYes, you're repeating yourself on stuff I've acknowledged. Since
connections. If they need a lawyer or a corporate manager or a
consultant, they could have gotten a lot better with someone else.
But they selected Hunter because he has what on one else had, that
is, Joe Biden as a father,
repeating is something you like: still not illegal and to no benefit to
the payers.
past time to put your shovel down.
Your defense of the Biden family influence peddling schemes is just so embarrassing for you. You come off like an ignorant cultish fool.
It's just so fucking obvious, and you can't explain it away.
I'm not going to keep arguing the crux of the matter with you over and over again.
Its obvious, t's common sense, but you just keep refusing to recognize it, There is NO benign explanation
for all this money coming in from foreign sources,
for a crack head, whore addicted, do-nothing wayward son, without any notable skill sets besides grifting.
It's all about projection for the Republican right.
On 3/18/23 12:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/17/23 8:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:55:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Sorry, no. Your insults and accusations are balloon juice at this point. >>> He can't comprehend that foreign entities that are paying the Bidens
On 3/16/23 7:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
You've reduced the accusation of "lying" to noise.
Steve tries again, fails again.
millions are only doing this because they expect deliverables fromThat they won't get and I explained the rationale in another post.
the Bidens worth much more than that,
Joe has nothing in particular to offer other than his familyYes, you're repeating yourself on stuff I've acknowledged. Since
connections. If they need a lawyer or a corporate manager or a
consultant, they could have gotten a lot better with someone else.
But they selected Hunter because he has what on one else had, that
is, Joe Biden as a father,
repeating is something you like: still not illegal and to no benefit to >> the payers.
past time to put your shovel down.Says the Fox bubble dweller.
Your defense of the Biden family influence peddling schemes is just so embarrassing for you. You come off like an ignorant cultish fool.
It's just so fucking obvious, and you can't explain it away.The lack of a quid pro quo is plenty of explanation. Also, I'm not
defending it, I'm pointing out it's not illegal and will add that
there's no rule board members have to have special expertise.
I'm not going to keep arguing the crux of the matter with you over and over again.I don't believe you.
Its obvious, t's common sense, but you just keep refusing to recognize it, There is NO benign explanationI didn't say there was a benign explanation, just that there was no
for all this money coming in from foreign sources,
effect on the President.
for a crack head, whore addicted, do-nothing wayward son, without any notable skill sets besides grifting.It's all about projection for the Republican right.
I'm not going to keep arguing the crux of the matter with youI don't believe you.
over and over again.
Its obvious, t's common sense, but you just keep refusing toI didn't say there was a benign explanation, just that there was no
recognize it, There is NO benign explanation for all this money
coming in from foreign sources,
effect on the President.
for a crack head, whore addicted, do-nothing wayward son,It's all about projection for the Republican right.
without any notable skill sets besides grifting.
Your fallback position is that the Biden family can do whatever
sleazy things it wants,
influence peddling,
secretive family deals,
lack of transparency,
taking money from agents of antagonistic foreign governments,
spreading the payments around to various family members who did
nothing to earn the payments, hiring themselves out to work i sectors
in which they have no experience, etc, as long as no laws were
broken.
Thats sick. That shows what a morally corrupt human being you are,
that you accept that behavior from the highest level of our
government. You, yourself, are a corrupt bag of shit.
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