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  • It's the Purge

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 20:44:03 2023
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder

    The same Democratic Party that thinks it is imperative to pump children full of hormones and puberty blockers also thinks that young adults should be let off the hook for various crimes. In Maryland, Democrats are taking that to an extreme level.

    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony murder if they are under the age of 25.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 10 21:08:05 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:44:04 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder

    The same Democratic Party that thinks it is imperative to pump children full of hormones and puberty blockers also thinks that young adults should be let off the hook for various crimes. In Maryland, Democrats are taking that to an extreme level.

    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony murder if they are under the age of 25.

    ScottW


    The delegate claims that those under 25 don't have fully developed brains. That delegate is 60 years old, and she doesn't have a fully developed brain, either.
    So maybe nobody under the aga 60 should be charged with felony murder.
    I kind of get it that felony murder is maybe a little stretch when equal sentences are
    meted out between the actual killer and the felony accomplices. But no charges for felony murder are ridiculous. Maybe reduce the sentence to thirty years or something like that.

    But yes, it's ironic that a juvenile, even a rpe teen one, is judged to have the mental maturity to
    undergo sex change or altering procedures, while a 25 year old isn't nature enough to resist
    committing dangerous felonies wit groups of accomplices.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 09:39:44 2023
    On 3/10/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder

    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony
    murder if they are under the age of 25.

    Felony murder is a special category,

    https://www.ma4jr.org/felony-murder-rule/

    Felony Murder Rule

    What’s the problem?

    Can people be found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison if
    the court knows they didn’t kill and didn’t intend to kill anyone? In Maryland, the answer is yes, because of our state’s longstanding policy
    known as the “felony murder doctrine.”

    Someone who intended participation only in a much lesser crime (for
    example, a burglary or robbery with no weapon) can receive a life
    sentence if

    police shot someone during the arrest
    a victim died of a heart attack
    an accomplice panicked and committed an unplanned killing

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 09:06:04 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:39:46 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder
    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony
    murder if they are under the age of 25.
    Felony murder is a special category,

    https://www.ma4jr.org/felony-murder-rule/

    Felony Murder Rule

    What’s the problem?

    Can people be found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison if
    the court knows they didn’t kill and didn’t intend to kill anyone?

    Someone died as a result of the crime in which they were participating.

    That has long been a did kill. Not a didn't.

    It's a deterrent to violent crime.
    As if we need less deterrent these days.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 09:51:15 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:39:46 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder
    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony murder if they are under the age of 25.
    Felony murder is a special category,

    https://www.ma4jr.org/felony-murder-rule/

    Felony Murder Rule

    What’s the problem?

    Can people be found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison if the court knows they didn’t kill and didn’t intend to kill anyone?
    Someone died as a result of the crime in which they were participating.

    That has long been a did kill. Not a didn't.

    It's a deterrent to violent crime.
    As if we need less deterrent these days.

    ScottW

    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence,
    Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Mar 11 10:00:18 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:51:17 AM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:39:46 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder
    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony murder if they are under the age of 25.
    Felony murder is a special category,

    https://www.ma4jr.org/felony-murder-rule/

    Felony Murder Rule

    What’s the problem?

    Can people be found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison if the court knows they didn’t kill and didn’t intend to kill anyone?
    Someone died as a result of the crime in which they were participating.

    That has long been a did kill. Not a didn't.

    It's a deterrent to violent crime.
    As if we need less deterrent these days.

    ScottW
    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life

    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 14:56:51 2023
    On 3/11/23 11:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:39:46 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Young can kill old.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/maryland-democrats-want-to-let-young-adults-off-the-hook-for-felony-murder
    A Maryland bill would prevent anyone from being charged with felony
    murder if they are under the age of 25.
    Felony murder is a special category,

    https://www.ma4jr.org/felony-murder-rule/

    Felony Murder Rule

    What’s the problem?

    Can people be found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison if
    the court knows they didn’t kill and didn’t intend to kill anyone?

    Someone died as a result of the crime in which they were participating.

    That has long been a did kill. Not a didn't.
    Yes, a "felony murder," a special case that covers people who didn't
    kill anyone.

    It's a deterrent to violent crime.
    As if we need less deterrent these days.

    No, it's not a deterrent.

    https://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/malani.pdf

    "Policymakers should draw one conclusion from this paper: the
    felony-murder rule does not substantially improve crime rates. If the
    main reason a state retains the rule is to reduce crime, it should
    reconsider the rule.69 The rule seems to increase the number of felony
    deaths in a state. Although the rule reduces the rate of some felonies,
    this effect is small and can be easily replicated by increasing the
    penalty for these felonies...

    Second, the data suggest that the felony-murder rule may pro- duce
    surprising changes in criminal behavior. In particular, it is associated
    with higher numbers of robbery-murder incidents. This effect is hard to
    explain with existing theories of criminal response and warrants further exploration.

    Finally, this paper demonstrates that empirical validation is an
    essential complement to blind theorizing about the likely consequences
    of criminal rules. Scholars have long de- bated the practical merits of
    the felony-murder rule without checking whether any of their theories
    could explain actual criminal behavior. This paper shows that their
    theories can not."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 14:37:06 2023

    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life
    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW

    sorry to challenge you, but that is dead wrong.

    'In Maryland, nearly 50 people were serving a juvenile life without the possibility of parole sentence as of December, but the law’s impact extends to hundreds of others who were sentenced to lengthy prison terms or life with parole."

    That'd just juveniles in Maryland. There are a ton of adults in MD with life with no parole

    Nationally, I count about 3,400 JUST JUVENILES. and that would be dwarfed by the adult numbers.

    https://www.ap.org/explore/locked-up-for-life/50-states

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 14:40:27 2023
    ScottW
    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life
    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW

    203,865 nationally serving life without parole. https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/no-end-in-sight-americas-enduring-reliance-on-life-sentences/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Mar 12 11:01:13 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:37:09 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life
    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW
    sorry to challenge you, but that is dead wrong.

    'In Maryland, nearly 50 people were serving a juvenile life without the possibility of parole

    Don't force to compare your reading comprehension to a piano teacher's.

    Musicians.....

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Mar 12 13:30:42 2023
    On 3/12/23 1:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:37:09 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, >>>> Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life
    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW
    sorry to challenge you, but that is dead wrong.

    'In Maryland, nearly 50 people were serving a juvenile life without the possibility of parole

    Don't force to compare your reading comprehension to a piano teacher's.

    Musicians.....

    To be fair, "it it's not life without parole no one really gets life" is
    a tough nut to crack.

    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/sentencing-alternatives/life-without-parole

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Mar 12 19:28:08 2023
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:01:14 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 2:37:09 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:
    Whether you like felony murder, or not, it's not much of a deterrence, Felony murder, YES!, but a little softer sentence, yes.
    not life
    It it's not life without parole no one really gets life.

    ScottW
    sorry to challenge you, but that is dead wrong.

    'In Maryland, nearly 50 people were serving a juvenile life without the possibility of parole
    Don't force to compare your reading comprehension to a piano teacher's.

    Musicians.....

    ScottW


    You were pretty clear cut.

    "> > It it's not life without parole no one really gets life."

    The only point of possible obfuscation is what is the unspecified "It" you were referring to.
    I assume you are talking about the life without parole sentences meted out to those convicted
    of felony murder, which is the focus of this thread.

    if you were referring to something else, That something else is not fathomable.

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