https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surges
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
ScottW
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surges
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surges
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.What defunding? From 2021:
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter
of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest movement turned out to be only partially true.
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surges
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.What defunding? From 2021:
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter
of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest movement turned out to be only partially true.
The activists who mobilized to call on the city to defund the police are
not happy — especially given all of the positive media coverage Breed generated when she announced these law enforcement cuts.
End quote.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:58:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surgesWhat defunding? From 2021:
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the
degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter
of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the
mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is >> going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law
enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest
movement turned out to be only partially true.
But it was apparently too true for Ronen.
Regardless of a little defunding or a lot...the crime stats speak for themselves.
Ronen is getting the gov't she asked for in her district.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:58:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surgesWhat defunding? From 2021:
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the
degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter
of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the
mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is >> going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law
enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest
movement turned out to be only partially true.
The activists who mobilized to call on the city to defund the police are
not happy — especially given all of the positive media coverage Breed
generated when she announced these law enforcement cuts.
End quote.
The other point is that while funding cuts can instantaneously reduce a police force,
refunding those cuts cannot instantly restore them.
And in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing the police, it's much harder to recruit
quality candidates especially when most departments across the state are also recruiting.
On 3/21/23 4:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:58:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surgesWhat defunding? From 2021:
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the >> degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter >> of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the >> mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is
going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law
enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest >> movement turned out to be only partially true.
But it was apparently too true for Ronen.
Regardless of a little defunding or a lot...the crime stats speak for themselves.Yes, crime is down in SF compared to before the pandemic.
https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/did-crime-go-up-in-san-francisco-this-year/
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:58:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surgesWhat defunding? From 2021:
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the >> degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter >> of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the >> mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is
going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law
enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest >> movement turned out to be only partially true.
The activists who mobilized to call on the city to defund the police are >> not happy — especially given all of the positive media coverage Breed >> generated when she announced these law enforcement cuts.
End quote.
The other point is that while funding cuts can instantaneously reduce a police force,That may be so, but since there weren't any cuts that point is moot.
refunding those cuts cannot instantly restore them.
And in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing the police, it's much harder to recruitHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad they are at doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding they'd get if City Hall liked them!
quality candidates especially when most departments across the state are also recruiting.
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
"We haven't been able to reduce the police budget," said San Francisco Supervisor Hillary Ronen. For fiscal year 2021-2022, the budget is over
$27 million more than it was in fiscal year 2018-2019.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:30:36 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 4:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
Regardless of a little defunding or a lot...the crime stats speak for themselves.Yes, crime is down in SF compared to before the pandemic.
https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/did-crime-go-up-in-san-francisco-this-year/
Same 'ol BS.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:39 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
And in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing the police, it's much harder to recruitHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad they are at
quality candidates especially when most departments across the state are also recruiting.
doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding they'd get if City Hall
liked them!
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
"We haven't been able to reduce the police budget," said San Francisco
Supervisor Hillary Ronen. For fiscal year 2021-2022, the budget is over
$27 million more than it was in fiscal year 2018-2019.
Yet ""I would say the majority of increases of our budget is salary increases," Chief Scott said."
They can't keep cops on the force and they can't recruit replacements....so they end up paying what
more to keep what they have.
Democrats are such brilliant managers. Slander and threaten to slash the police force....
a force already struggling to get by in SF sky high cost of living.
The result...cops start quitting and recruits dry up.
So in response they raise pay to retain what is left.
Now SF has to pay more for less.
Should be the new dem motto. Look at the Biden budget for the fed depts.
Fat raises for everyone. Can't have inflation eating into the oligarch lifestyle of our federal gov't
bureaucrats.
Who are underpaid compared to their private sector equivalents. You
don't see a contradiction in your views of government worker and police compensation?
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:00:36 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Who are underpaid compared to their private sector equivalents. You
don't see a contradiction in your views of government worker and
police compensation?
You don't see a difference in your views of the skill sets and
specialized. training between government bureaucrats and the skill
sets and special training of police officers?
Police officers are required to physically confront angry and
abusive suspects, are required to use guns and other less lethal
weapons, and are expected to have a good working knowledge of
criminal law. They often are required to testify in court.
On 3/21/23 11:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:39 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
And in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing the police, it's much harder to recruitHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad they are at >> doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding they'd get if City Hall >> liked them!
quality candidates especially when most departments across the state are also recruiting.
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
"We haven't been able to reduce the police budget," said San Francisco
Supervisor Hillary Ronen. For fiscal year 2021-2022, the budget is over >> $27 million more than it was in fiscal year 2018-2019.
Yet ""I would say the majority of increases of our budget is salary increases," Chief Scott said."Sounds like a good recruiting incentive.
They can't keep cops on the force and they can't recruit replacements....so they end up paying whatIf only people liked cops better, they could pay less.
more to keep what they have.
Democrats are such brilliant managers. Slander and threaten to slash the police force....https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-job-openings/salary-and-benefits
a force already struggling to get by in SF sky high cost of living.
"Salary $103,116 - $147,628/year"
I could get by.
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/san-francisco-ca
"$70,223"
After that, a
police officer can go their entire career without using their gun.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 11:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:39 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
And in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing theHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad
police, it's much harder to recruit quality candidates
especially when most departments across the state are also
recruiting.
they are at doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding
they'd get if City Hall liked them!
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
Yet ""I would say the majority of increases of our budget isSounds like a good recruiting incentive.
salary increases," Chief Scott said."
Not nearly enough.
https://missionlocal.org/2023/03/police-staffing-crisis-san-francisco/
They can't keep cops on the force and they can't recruitIf only people liked cops better, they could pay less.
replacements....so they end up paying what more to keep what they
have.
If you ever had a job with any management responsibility you'd know
that salary is a lousy retention factor and can rarely overcome
someone hating their job. Now imagine you're in fear of being charged
with a crime if you do your job or are forced to defend yourself
while doing your job.
Democrats are such brilliant managers. Slander and threaten tohttps://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-job-openings/salary-and-benefits
slash the police force.... a force already struggling to get by
in SF sky high cost of living.
"Salary $103,116 - $147,628/year"
I could get by.
In SF? Probably not.
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/san-francisco-ca
"$70,223"and most teachers have a very long commute .
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/teachers-become-super-commuters-to-work-in-san-francisco/
and that was in 2019. It's only gotten worse.
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:02:21 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
After that, a police officer can go their entire career without
using their gun.
That is a testament to the high level of qualifications and training
of police officers.
By offering low pay, scraping the bottom of the barrel for recruits
would result in more police shootings
On 3/22/23 7:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/21/23 11:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:39 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Sounds like a good recruiting incentive.
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
Yet ""I would say the majority of increases of our budget isAnd in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing theHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad
police, it's much harder to recruit quality candidates
especially when most departments across the state are also
recruiting.
they are at doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding
they'd get if City Hall liked them!
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
salary increases," Chief Scott said."
Not nearly enough.Add overtime.
https://missionlocal.org/2023/03/police-staffing-crisis-san-francisco/
If money isn't enough, what can the market offer?
They can't keep cops on the force and they can't recruitIf only people liked cops better, they could pay less.
replacements....so they end up paying what more to keep what they
have.
If you ever had a job with any management responsibility you'd knowWhile enjoying qualified immunity, union-paid lawyers and paid leave.
that salary is a lousy retention factor and can rarely overcome
someone hating their job. Now imagine you're in fear of being charged
with a crime if you do your job or are forced to defend yourself
while doing your job.
Most cops love their jobs but many for the wrong reasons, 'bullies and bigots.'
Democrats are such brilliant managers. Slander and threaten tohttps://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-job-openings/salary-and-benefits
slash the police force.... a force already struggling to get by
in SF sky high cost of living.
"Salary $103,116 - $147,628/year"
I could get by.
In SF? Probably not.$10k/mo is enough to cover the average $3k rent for a one bedroom apartment.
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:58:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/20/23 9:52 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-defund-the-police-democrat-demands-more-cops-as-crime-surgesWhat defunding? From 2021:
I think she should donate her salary to the SFPD....and quit.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/is-san-francisco-re-funding-the-police/article_f7f50019-0eaf-51b0-bc84-585a8889e77a.html
In fact, whether funds ever were reallocated from law enforcement to the >> degree that Mayor London Breed claimed was always questionable, a matter >> of statistics and semantics as much as concrete political priorities.
But in light of this year’s proposed budget, and confirmation from the >> mayor’s office, there’s no longer any doubt: Law enforcement spending is
going up and the Dream Keeper Initiative is now being paid for through
the General Fund.
In other words, the mayor’s pledge to redirect $120 million from law
enforcement to the Black community in the wake of last summer’s protest >> movement turned out to be only partially true.
The activists who mobilized to call on the city to defund the police are >> not happy — especially given all of the positive media coverage Breed >> generated when she announced these law enforcement cuts.
End quote.
The other point is that while funding cuts can instantaneously reduce a police force,That may be so, but since there weren't any cuts that point is moot.
refunding those cuts cannot instantly restore them.
On 3/22/23 9:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:02:21 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
After that, a police officer can go their entire career without
using their gun.
That is a testament to the high level of qualifications and trainingIndeed. I look forward to even more improvement in police training.
of police officers.
By offering low pay, scraping the bottom of the barrel for recruitsLow pay?
would result in more police shootings
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:27:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/22/23 7:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:00:36 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Add overtime.
On 3/21/23 11:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:39 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Sounds like a good recruiting incentive.
On 3/21/23 4:11 PM, ScottW wrote:
Yet ""I would say the majority of increases of our budget isAnd in SF where the gov't has spent years loathing theHaving a low-quality police force certainly explains how bad
police, it's much harder to recruit quality candidates
especially when most departments across the state are also
recruiting.
they are at doing their jobs. Imagine how much more funding
they'd get if City Hall liked them!
https://abc7news.com/sfpd-budget-defund-the-police-department-funding/12321818/
salary increases," Chief Scott said."
Not nearly enough.
They can't afford the current staff. https://therealdeal.com/sanfrancisco/2022/12/19/sf-faces-728m-budget-deficit-over-next-two-fiscal-years/
https://missionlocal.org/2023/03/police-staffing-crisis-san-francisco/
If money isn't enough, what can the market offer?
Frankly, I don't see a solution. People and businesses have fled
causing a decline in city tax base which leads to a decline in city services and the situation only gets worse. The death spiral is very hard to reverse.
While enjoying qualified immunity, union-paid lawyers and paid leave.They can't keep cops on the force and they can't recruitIf only people liked cops better, they could pay less.
replacements....so they end up paying what more to keep what they
have.
If you ever had a job with any management responsibility you'd know
that salary is a lousy retention factor and can rarely overcome
someone hating their job. Now imagine you're in fear of being charged
with a crime if you do your job or are forced to defend yourself
while doing your job.
Most cops love their jobs but many for the wrong reasons, 'bullies and
bigots.'
and you're officially cop slandering bigot.
$10k/mo is enough to cover the average $3k rent for a one bedroom apartment.Democrats are such brilliant managers. Slander and threaten tohttps://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-job-openings/salary-and-benefits
slash the police force.... a force already struggling to get by
in SF sky high cost of living.
"Salary $103,116 - $147,628/year"
I could get by.
In SF? Probably not.
I can see the recruiting message. Come to San Fran and live in a luxurious one bedroom apartment.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (0 / 16) |
| Uptime: | 156:46:55 |
| Calls: | 10,384 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 14,056 |
| Messages: | 6,416,471 |