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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 20 20:39:43 2023
    https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1637709505193709571

    It's all about fear...fear...this pandemic is fear.

    He knows Stephen all too well.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Mar 20 22:11:44 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:39:44 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1637709505193709571

    It's all about fear...fear...this pandemic is fear.

    He knows Stephen all too well.

    ScottW

    He looked like a young healthy person with no comorbidities.
    He should have argued that point, too

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Mar 21 08:42:47 2023
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    Our analysis of metagenomic sequence data provides genomic evidence of
    the presence of SARS-CoV-2 susceptible live animals at the Huanan
    market, Wuhan, before it was closed on 1 January 2020. Importantly, the
    genomic data confirming the presence of wildlife species occurred in the
    same market stalls where some of these animals had been documented to be
    sold. These samples were positive for SARS-CoV-2 and often had a lower abundance of human genetic material than other animal genetic material,
    in some cases including animals known to be susceptible to SARS-CoV-2.
    That these genomic traces are present in samples in which SARS-CoV-2 was detected identifies these wildlife species as potential intermediate
    hosts between the Rhinolophus spp. (horseshoebat) animal reservoir and
    humans.

    End quote.

    More Chinese obstruction at work. It seems the government is more
    worried about the domestic population thinking they dropped the ball on
    fixing the live animal markets after SARS-1 than they are about what the
    West thinks of them for withholding data.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 14:04:48 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Mar 21 18:26:03 2023
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"

    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since
    the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts
    as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from
    a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts, especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of
    evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 21:15:46 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since
    the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts
    as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from
    a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts, especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Mar 22 10:19:01 2023
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since
    the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts
    as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy
    discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from
    a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections.
    However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts,
    especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of
    evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?

    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC and analyzed here shows
    that genetic material of such potential intermediate hosts was detected
    in SARS-CoV-2-positive environmental samples.

    These arguments stand in stark contrast to the absence of evidence for
    any other SARS-CoV-2 emergence route."

    As a statement against interest, this indicates the data is acceptable.
    Also, levels of uncertainty are allowable in science due to principles
    of repeatability and falsifiability, unlike in the legal system where
    they are not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 17:18:31 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since >> the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts
    as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy >> discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from >> a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. >> However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts,
    especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of
    evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?
    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC

    LoL.... you are a commie sympathizer.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Mar 23 09:39:05 2023
    On 3/22/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two
    thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since >>>> the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts >>>> as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy >>>> discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from >>>> a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. >>>> However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts, >>>> especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of
    evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?
    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC

    LoL.... you are a commie sympathizer.

    How is it communist to use scientific data to prove the Chinese
    government failed to improve live market safety after SARS-1? That's a
    big domestic negative for them. The government prefers to blame the
    West, allowing conspiracy theories to distract from their failures.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 09:01:26 2023
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/22/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two >>>>>> thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since >>>> the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts >>>> as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy >>>> discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from
    a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. >>>> However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts, >>>> especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of >>>> evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?
    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC

    LoL.... you are a commie sympathizer.
    How is it communist to use scientific data

    LoL.....I'm going to leave you to wallow in your ignorance and stupidity on this one.


    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Mar 23 13:14:30 2023
    On 3/23/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/22/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two >>>>>>>> thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since >>>>>> the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts >>>>>> as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy >>>>>> discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from >>>>>> a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections. >>>>>> However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts, >>>>>> especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of >>>>>> evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?
    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC

    LoL.... you are a commie sympathizer.
    How is it communist to use scientific data

    LoL.....I'm going to leave you to wallow in your ignorance and stupidity on this one.

    No, you're the one refusing to look at evidence due to your political bias.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 25 19:48:08 2023
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:14:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/23/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/22/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are still about two >>>>>>>> thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover is out: >>>>>>>>
    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    "Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control"
    Yes, they made data available at last, but only for a short time. Since
    the leadership didn't want to admit to zoonotic spillover, this counts
    as a statement against interest.

    Looks like you didn't read past the sub-hed. Too bad. There's a lengthy
    discussion of the problems of getting this underlying data which is from
    a earlier preprint that claimed the samples were from human infections.
    However, with the data researchers were able to identify animal hosts,
    especially raccoon dogs.

    Since the problem with identifying the natural origin was the lack of >>>>>> evidence, having evidence eases that problem somewhat.

    Where's the chain of custody?
    From the conclusion:

    "Evidence collected and generated by China CDC

    LoL.... you are a commie sympathizer.
    How is it communist to use scientific data

    LoL.....I'm going to leave you to wallow in your ignorance and stupidity on this one.
    No, you're the one refusing to look at evidence due to your political bias.

    Stephen believes China before he'll believe the US FBI.

    FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 most likely originated in a Chinese government-controlled lab.

    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident,"

    But you can believe who you want to because you don't live in China.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 25 20:57:23 2023
    Uh-oh. Suddenly the FBI's speculations carry the weight of Absolute
    Certainty, at least in Shmooville.

    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident,"

    So "most likely" means ironclad truth to Simple Shmoo. You realize that
    there are only two main guesses about the cause, right? It could be 55%-45% likelihood. No one has said anything like 90%.

    Also, when did the FBI get out of the MAGAzoid doghouse? A couple days ago,
    you were parroting the Fucks Nooz bullcrap that the FBI are actually
    a bunch of pinko Never-Trumpers. Now, suddenly, the FBI is a fount of
    virtuous verity? Make up your "mind", such as it is. Stop being a credulous cretin.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Mar 26 13:30:21 2023
    On 3/25/23 9:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:14:32 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/23/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 7:39:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/22/23 7:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 3/21/23 11:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:26:07 PM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 3/21/23 4:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:42:50 AM UTC-7,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/20/23 10:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
    this pandemic is fear.

    No, this pandemic is a novel virus and there are
    still about two thousand deaths a week in the US.

    Speaking of COVID, the report on zoonotic spillover
    is out:

    https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZBmu4i_MIlI

    LoL.....I'm going to leave you to wallow in your ignorance and
    stupidity on this one.
    No, you're the one refusing to look at evidence due to your
    political bias.

    Stephen believes China before he'll believe the US FBI.

    You've just been shown evidence China concealed the presence of wild
    animals at the source market. Hardly an endorsement of Chinese transparency.

    FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes
    Covid-19 most likely originated in a Chinese government-controlled
    lab.

    Not a scientist and even that's a low confidence belief.

    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident,"

    But you can believe who you want to because you don't live in China.

    It's easier to believe actual evidence than whatever the FBI is secretly looking at. In the absence of evidence, intelligence reports can be the
    next best thing, but now there's evidence.

    Some good background:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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