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  • Ana Kasparian, smarter than Stephen

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 16:10:18 2023
    https://conservativebrief.com/grifter-72495/
    “Part of the reason why I screwed up is because I had all these biases, of course, against Ron DeSantis,” she said.

    She said she did not mind that she had a bias but in this case it “blinded” her to the facts.

    “I should’ve done my due diligence, and I failed to do so. By failing to do so, I feel like I misled the audience into thinking that Rebekah Jones is some sort of hero,” she said.

    But she also blamed the mainstream media for assisting in promoting Jones’ lies about the governor.

    “If they’re not doing their due diligence, if they’re allowing their personal biases to stand in the way of actual, factual reporting, well that’s unfortunately going to trickle into the way independent news sources cover these stories as well,”
    the host said.

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 14 09:08:41 2023
    On 4/13/23 6:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://conservativebrief.com/grifter-72495/ “Part of the reason why
    I screwed up is because I had all these biases, of course, against
    Ron DeSantis,” she said.

    She said she did not mind that she had a bias but in this case it “blinded” her to the facts.

    “I should’ve done my due diligence, and I failed to do so. By failing
    to do so, I feel like I misled the audience into thinking that
    Rebekah Jones is some sort of hero,” she said.

    But she also blamed the mainstream media for assisting in promoting
    Jones’ lies about the governor.

    “If they’re not doing their due diligence, if they’re allowing their personal biases to stand in the way of actual, factual reporting,
    well that’s unfortunately going to trickle into the way independent
    news sources cover these stories as well,” the host said.

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.

    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the point about
    bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view accepts corrections
    and works past bias, unlike the Fox propaganda model in which debunked
    content can be repeated ad infinitum.

    So, inadvertent self-own on your part.

    I assume your "source" is quoting the NY Post. Their story misstates the context by equating 2020 and today. Kasparian was likely responding to
    the initial Miami Herald story before the more correct follow-up stories appeared.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 16:03:59 2023
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:08:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/13/23 6:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://conservativebrief.com/grifter-72495/ “Part of the reason why
    I screwed up is because I had all these biases, of course, against
    Ron DeSantis,” she said.

    She said she did not mind that she had a bias but in this case it “blinded” her to the facts.

    “I should’ve done my due diligence, and I failed to do so. By failing to do so, I feel like I misled the audience into thinking that
    Rebekah Jones is some sort of hero,” she said.

    But she also blamed the mainstream media for assisting in promoting Jones’ lies about the governor.

    “If they’re not doing their due diligence, if they’re allowing their personal biases to stand in the way of actual, factual reporting,
    well that’s unfortunately going to trickle into the way independent
    news sources cover these stories as well,” the host said.

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the point about
    bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view accepts corrections
    and works past bias,
    unlike the Fox propaganda model in which debunked
    content can be repeated ad infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.

    All I find is Fox pointing out they did no such thing.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-anchors-avoid-rebekah-jones

    You remain full of shit.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 14 19:27:56 2023
    On 4/14/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:08:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/13/23 6:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://conservativebrief.com/grifter-72495/ “Part of the reason why
    I screwed up is because I had all these biases, of course, against
    Ron DeSantis,” she said.

    She said she did not mind that she had a bias but in this case it
    “blinded” her to the facts.

    “I should’ve done my due diligence, and I failed to do so. By failing >>> to do so, I feel like I misled the audience into thinking that
    Rebekah Jones is some sort of hero,” she said.

    But she also blamed the mainstream media for assisting in promoting
    Jones’ lies about the governor.

    “If they’re not doing their due diligence, if they’re allowing their >>> personal biases to stand in the way of actual, factual reporting,
    well that’s unfortunately going to trickle into the way independent
    news sources cover these stories as well,” the host said.

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the point about
    bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view accepts corrections
    and works past bias,
    unlike the Fox propaganda model in which debunked
    content can be repeated ad infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.

    They would be corrections and follow-ups. Of course, CNN and MSNBC
    didn't break the story, the Miami Herald did.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/07/politics/rebekah-jones-desantis-florida-son-arrest/index.html

    "She suggested, without evidence, that her son’s arrest was related to a lawsuit she filed on March 13 in Leon County, Florida...

    Jones in 2020 accused the DeSantis administration of trying to cover up
    the extent of the pandemic and firing her for refusing to falsify
    numbers to minimize the scale of the outbreak. Last year, a state
    inspector general report said her claims were “unsubstantiated” and Covid-19 data was not falsified."

    All I find is Fox pointing out they did no such thing.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-anchors-avoid-rebekah-jones

    Oh, dear. You're talking about her previous time in the limelight. Cuomo
    Prime Time? The news-as-entertainment equivalent of Tucker Carlson, et
    al? Cuomo is no more an anchor than Carlson is. And unlike Fox and
    Carlson, when he was linked to behind the scenes political operations,
    he was fired.

    Fox quotes a Tapper retweet: "The thing about the Rebekah Jones saga:
    there’s no evidence to support what she’s claimed. Simply none and we’ve all looked..."

    She went on shows, made claims, then was dropped when she couldn't back
    them up. Maybe MSNBC reads the National Review.

    A point can be made about how much MSNBC and incarnations of CNN shared
    the Fox news-as-entertainment, but it doesn't refute the underlying
    philosophy of the mainstream media.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 17:50:07 2023
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 7:08:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/13/23 6:10 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://conservativebrief.com/grifter-72495/ “Part of the reason why >>> I screwed up is because I had all these biases, of course, against
    Ron DeSantis,” she said.

    She said she did not mind that she had a bias but in this case it
    “blinded” her to the facts.

    “I should’ve done my due diligence, and I failed to do so. By failing
    to do so, I feel like I misled the audience into thinking that
    Rebekah Jones is some sort of hero,” she said.

    But she also blamed the mainstream media for assisting in promoting
    Jones’ lies about the governor.

    “If they’re not doing their due diligence, if they’re allowing their
    personal biases to stand in the way of actual, factual reporting,
    well that’s unfortunately going to trickle into the way independent >>> news sources cover these stories as well,” the host said.

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the point about
    bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view accepts corrections
    and works past bias,
    unlike the Fox propaganda model in which debunked
    content can be repeated ad infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.
    They would be corrections and follow-ups. Of course, CNN and MSNBC
    didn't break the story, the Miami Herald did.

    and off your go into irrelevant la-la land until we get a glimmer of light.

    A point can be made about how much MSNBC and incarnations of CNN shared
    the Fox news-as-entertainment, but it doesn't refute the underlying philosophy of the mainstream media.

    The fuck it don't. And it's not just cable news. The NYT, the WaPost, USAToday, LAT to name just a few are openly biased leftist rags.
    The Miami Herald has been openly attacking DeSantis for years while
    his popularity soars in Florida.
    You live in total denial of reality.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 19:35:40 2023
    The waters of Lake Shmoo are churning tonight!

    And it's not just cable news. The NYT, the WaPost, USAToday,
    LAT to name just a few are openly biased leftist rags.

    You throw too damn many tantrums.

    However, in a refreshing blast of honesty, you have finally admitted
    that in your tiny, deformed mind, "leftist" is equivalent to "reality based".

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 15 10:07:18 2023
    On 4/14/23 7:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the
    point about bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view
    accepts corrections and works past bias, unlike the Fox
    propaganda model in which debunked content can be repeated ad
    infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.
    They would be corrections and follow-ups. Of course, CNN and MSNBC
    didn't break the story, the Miami Herald did.

    and off your go into irrelevant la-la land until we get a glimmer of
    light.

    No, that was me on the original subject before I realized you'd changed
    it to Jones' previous time in the spotlight.

    If a right-wing equivalent appeared, they would be cited, retweeted and
    echo chambered without that consideration. (It's going to take jail
    sentences to get Bannon, etc out of the public eye.)

    A point can be made about how much MSNBC and incarnations of CNN
    shared the Fox news-as-entertainment, but it doesn't refute the
    underlying philosophy of the mainstream media.

    The fuck it don't.

    No, it didn't. Fox brought up political entertainment figures and called
    them anchors. When Jones' stories couldn't be corroborated, she was no
    longer invited to their shows and when she returned to public eye, her
    previous failures were included as context.

    And it's not just cable news. The NYT, the WaPost,USAToday, LAT to
    name just a few are openly biased leftist rags. The Miami Herald has
    been openly attacking DeSantis for years while his popularity soars
    in Florida. You live in total denial of reality.

    Sometimes the facts seem like an attack. And those newspapers are
    inherently conservative, favoring business and government views. But
    even if they had liberal views, they are self-bound by facts, in a word, falsifiable. They also back down in the face of criticism including and especially from the right.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 15 09:29:37 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 7:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the
    point about bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view
    accepts corrections and works past bias, unlike the Fox
    propaganda model in which debunked content can be repeated ad
    infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.
    They would be corrections and follow-ups. Of course, CNN and MSNBC
    didn't break the story, the Miami Herald did.

    and off your go into irrelevant la-la land until we get a glimmer of light.
    No

    Produce the retractions or STFU you babbling lying moron.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 15 12:01:34 2023
    On 4/15/23 11:29 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 7:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/14/23 6:03 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Stephen still thinks MSM has good intentions.
    No, I didn't say "good intentions." You misunderstand the
    point about bias. This exchange shows that the mainstream view
    accepts corrections and works past bias, unlike the Fox
    propaganda model in which debunked content can be repeated ad
    infinitum.

    Produce the CNN and MSNBC on-air retractions of Jones BS.
    They would be corrections and follow-ups. Of course, CNN and MSNBC
    didn't break the story, the Miami Herald did.

    and off your go into irrelevant la-la land until we get a glimmer of
    light.
    No

    Produce the retractions or STFU you babbling lying moron.

    What's to retract? She went on news entertainment programs and made
    claims she couldn't back up. She had to get arrested (by proxy) to get
    on the news again.

    And I quoted CNN saying her new claim was "without evidence" and called
    her earlier ones "unsubstantiated."

    Of course, the underlying philosophy of the last century of the
    mainstream news media doesn't depend on a single 'gotcha.'

    From the NYT magazine piece cited elsewhere:

    "For most of my career as a reporter, I’ve been tracing Fox’s long
    journey to a dividing line: On one side, journalism, constitutionally protected, even in its nastiest, most slanted and ideological form as
    part of the brutal scrum of democracy. On the other side, knowing lies, reckless disregard for the truth — the “actual malice” that is at the heart of the Dominion case. The court will decide if Fox crossed that
    line. But the newly available records show what drove Fox, and its
    powerful founder, to the very edge of that line, if not beyond: an
    audience that has reliably delivered influence and profits for decades.
    Now, in the age of social media and powerfully attractive disinformation campaigns, that audience could instantly move on to even headier stuff
    from even more adventurous competitors."

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