• A small outcry over DNC hegemony begins

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 10:07:44 2023
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.


    Nina Turner
    @ninaturner
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice.
    No one who feels confident in their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them.
    The DNC should hold debates.
    This is supposed to be a democratic process.

    Maybe they're afraid of what Kennedy will say.

    I’ve come here today to announce my candidacy for [the] Democratic nomination for President of the United States. My mission over the next 18 months of this campaign, and throughout my presidency, will be to end the corrupt merger of state and
    corporate power that is threatening now to impose a new kind of corporate feudalism on our country.

    I’m going to do that by telling the truth to the American people.

    He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Apr 25 13:35:04 2023
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner

    He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.

    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 14:10:55 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner
    He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    whatabout !
    whatabout!!
    whatabout!!!

    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%, Williamson polling 6% vs Biden, a high threshold Whatabout the highest contender, Weld, getting only 2.35% vs Trump a low threshold

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Apr 25 17:03:52 2023
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support
    Biden."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 15:29:02 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.

    AFA Biden numbers:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-dismisses-polls-concern-biden-age-democrats-run-again

    https://www.vox.com/politics/23562688/joe-biden-2024-presidential-election-polls-democrats

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3970098-roughly-half-of-democrats-in-new-poll-say-biden-should-not-seek-reelection/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 22:26:30 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner
    He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    I'm not bitching you wanna hang your hat on crooked geriatric Joe though I do hate the idea that primaries are somehow optional and at the discretion of the
    Party NCs. Funny how you find it just fine. Democracy is a merry go round for you. Ride it till you get where you want, and then get off.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Apr 25 22:38:01 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:29:03 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support Biden."
    So, you caved on the debate issue.

    AFA Biden numbers:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-dismisses-polls-concern-biden-age-democrats-run-again

    https://www.vox.com/politics/23562688/joe-biden-2024-presidential-election-polls-democrats

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3970098-roughly-half-of-democrats-in-new-poll-say-biden-should-not-seek-reelection/

    The Woke crowd is gonna strip Stephen of his "progressive" admit card.

    https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1650606303738499073

    Cenk Uygur
    @cenkuygur
    DNC has already announced that it will not allow any debates in 2024 primary. Biden is not to be challenged. Everyone on the Democratic side must shut up and fall in line. Not having debates is undemocratic and ridiculous. No progressive should agree to
    this kind of power grab.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Apr 26 09:01:10 2023
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support
    Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.

    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation
    involved Trump.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 26 09:07:43 2023
    On 4/26/23 12:26 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to
    us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    I'm not bitching you wanna hang your hat on crooked geriatric Joe
    though I do hate the idea that primaries are somehow optional and at
    the discretion of the Party NCs. Funny how you find it just fine.
    Democracy is a merry go round for you. Ride it till you get where
    you want, and then get off.

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good. Strong primary challenges generally weaken the eventual candidate,
    Obama vs Clinton the recent exception.

    If you'd like a new election system, propose away. Most European systems
    elect by party rather than candidate, for instance, with proportional representation. No gerrymandering.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 26 09:13:37 2023
    On 4/26/23 12:38 AM, ScottW wrote:

    The Woke crowd is gonna strip Stephen of his "progressive" admit
    card.

    https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1650606303738499073

    Cenk Uygur @cenkuygur DNC has already announced that it will not
    allow any debates in 2024 primary. Biden is not to be challenged.
    Everyone on the Democratic side must shut up and fall in line. Not
    having debates is undemocratic and ridiculous. No progressive should
    agree to this kind of power grab.

    If you think Cenk is any kind of Democratic thought leader, please
    continue to plan accordingly.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 08:32:15 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:07:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 12:26 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to
    us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    I'm not bitching you wanna hang your hat on crooked geriatric Joe
    though I do hate the idea that primaries are somehow optional and at
    the discretion of the Party NCs. Funny how you find it just fine. Democracy is a merry go round for you. Ride it till you get where
    you want, and then get off.
    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm good.

    Consistently bad is not good.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 09:24:56 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support >> Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the necessary context. There wasn't much of a contest against Trump. A fringe candidate topping out at 2.5%
    AFA Biden, there is an opponent polling at 15% and another polling at 5%

    Trump's situation did not warrant a debate, Bidens's situation does.
    Consider yourself demolished by the facts, pussy boy.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Apr 26 11:54:47 2023
    On 4/26/23 10:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:07:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 12:26 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to
    us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    I'm not bitching you wanna hang your hat on crooked geriatric Joe
    though I do hate the idea that primaries are somehow optional and at
    the discretion of the Party NCs. Funny how you find it just fine.
    Democracy is a merry go round for you. Ride it till you get where
    you want, and then get off.
    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good.

    Consistently bad is not good.

    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better
    than accepting or rejecting both?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Apr 26 12:30:08 2023
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic >>>>>>> and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support >>>> Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation
    involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the necessary context.

    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement. There
    are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general population.

    https://www.suffolk.edu/academics/research-at-suffolk/political-research-center/polls/national

    Hmm. Biden has 67% support for a primary but only 64% want Trump to run
    at all. That's better than Biden's just under 50% but it's likely
    Trump's negatives will be going up soon.

    There wasn't much of a contest against Trump. A fringe candidate topping out at 2.5%
    AFA Biden, there is an opponent polling at 15% and another polling at 5%

    Name recognition. 15% of 600 landline phone answerers agree. That's
    literally fewer than 90 people supporting a fringe candidate with no
    platform beyond conspiracies and junk science.

    Looks like Biden's 67% is about the same as Trump's 68.5% given the
    margin of error and the long time frame before the election.

    The poll that counts is a head-to-head for Trump vs Biden.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 15:12:54 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic >>>>>>> and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The >>>>>>> DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020," >>>>
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support >>>> Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation
    involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement. There
    are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your strawman.
    We are talking about debates for party primaries,
    That is where RFK, JR. has 15% support.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 26 16:26:34 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 10:32 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:07:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 12:26 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic
    and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in
    their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The
    DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic
    process.

    Nina Turner He also blasted the media: “We know the media lies to >>>>> us. Everybody knows that.”

    Except Stephen doesn't.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.

    I'm not bitching you wanna hang your hat on crooked geriatric Joe
    though I do hate the idea that primaries are somehow optional and at
    the discretion of the Party NCs. Funny how you find it just fine.
    Democracy is a merry go round for you. Ride it till you get where
    you want, and then get off.
    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm >> good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better
    than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    That's how little impact they made.

    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%

    DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Apr 27 09:44:02 2023
    On 4/26/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic >>>>>>>>> and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in >>>>>>>>> their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The >>>>>>>>> DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic >>>>>>>>> process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020," >>>>>>
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support >>>>>> Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation
    involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement. There
    are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your strawman.

    You cited 15% without giving the proper context. Not a strawman. Since
    just over half the voters chose Biden, you should cut that number in
    half if you mean to refer to his support in the general population.

    We are talking about debates for party primaries,
    That is where RFK, JR. has 15% support.

    And I had to research to see what you meant by "whatabout RFK jr polling
    15%." Meanwhile, this just dropped:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-revives-threat-of-skipping-gop-presidential-debates/ar-AA1aq9lz

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Apr 27 09:59:09 2023
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm >>>> good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better
    than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.

    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month.

    That's how little impact they made.

    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?

    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%

    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll.

    DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.

    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by
    giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 08:26:48 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate is undemocratic >>>>>>>>> and robs the voters of choice. No one who feels confident in >>>>>>>>> their record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The >>>>>>>>> DNC should hold debates. This is supposed to be a democratic >>>>>>>>> process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020," >>>>>>
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support
    Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical situation >>>> involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement. There
    are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your strawman.
    You cited 15% without giving the proper context. Not a strawman. Since
    just over half the voters chose Biden, you should cut that number in
    half if you mean to refer to his support in the general population.

    For the THIRD TIME, that is not what I mean

    and now RFK, Jr. is up to 19% among dems.

    "while Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., pulls almost one-in-five Democratic votes against incumbent President Joe Biden."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/27/fox-news-poll-trump-desantis-rfk-jr-biden/11750616002/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Apr 27 10:45:01 2023
    On 4/27/23 10:26 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate
    is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No
    one who feels confident in their record and/or
    ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC
    should hold debates. This is supposed to be a
    democratic process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in
    2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe
    Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical
    situation involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the
    necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement.
    There are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general
    population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your
    strawman.
    You cited 15% without giving the proper context. Not a strawman.
    Since just over half the voters chose Biden, you should cut that
    number in half if you mean to refer to his support in the general
    population.

    For the THIRD TIME, that is not what I mean

    You didn't say what you meant.

    and now RFK, Jr. is up to 19% among dems.

    Not "up." It's a different poll so that doesn't show differences.

    "while Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., pulls almost one-in-five Democratic
    votes against incumbent President Joe Biden."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/27/fox-news-poll-trump-desantis-rfk-jr-biden/11750616002/

    Saw it. Not concerned about a spoiler with a one-issue candidacy based
    on pseudoscience.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 19:11:18 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 10:26 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary debate
    is undemocratic and robs the voters of choice. No
    one who feels confident in their record and/or
    ideas would hesitate to stand on them. The DNC
    should hold debates. This is supposed to be a
    democratic process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in
    2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President Joe
    Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/

    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the identical
    situation involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added the
    necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your misstatement.
    There are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr among the general
    population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your
    strawman.
    You cited 15% without giving the proper context. Not a strawman.
    Since just over half the voters chose Biden, you should cut that
    number in half if you mean to refer to his support in the general
    population.

    For the THIRD TIME, that is not what I mean
    You didn't say what you meant.

    It's just SO fucking obvious. The subject matter is the Democrat primary debates


    and now RFK, Jr. is up to 19% among dems.
    Not "up." It's a different poll so that doesn't show differences.
    "while Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., pulls almost one-in-five Democratic
    votes against incumbent President Joe Biden."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/27/fox-news-poll-trump-desantis-rfk-jr-biden/11750616002/
    Saw it. Not concerned about a spoiler with a one-issue candidacy based
    on pseudoscience.

    That's not the point, Point is, he should be on a debate stage against Biden. And if you are not concerned about his candidacy, you shouldn't be afraid
    to have him debate Biden. Unless........ what you are really afraid of is Biden's mental capacity

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 19:34:39 2023
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm >>>> good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better
    than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month.

    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?

    That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll.
    DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by
    giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Apr 28 07:07:51 2023
    On 4/27/23 9:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 10:26 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 5:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 4/26/23 11:24 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:01:13 AM UTC-4,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 5:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:03:54 PM UTC-4,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-4,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/25/23 12:07 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The DNC refusing to hold a single primary
    debate is undemocratic and robs the voters of
    choice. No one who feels confident in their
    record and/or ideas would hesitate to stand
    on them. The DNC should hold debates. This is
    supposed to be a democratic process.
    Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in
    2020.
    whatabout RFK jr polling 15%,

    That's really "14% of voters who backed President
    Joe Biden in 2020,"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/19/rfk-jr-campaign-poll-biden-voters/11690888002/



    The real headline should be "overwhelming majority of Democrats support
    Biden."

    So, you caved on the debate issue.
    No, I pointed out your lack of complaint when the
    identical situation involved Trump.

    No. You didn't address my follow up point, which added
    the necessary context.
    Yes, I did. I found the source and corrected your
    misstatement. There are no polls showing 15% support RGKjr
    among the general population.


    General population polling is not the issue, That's your
    strawman.
    You cited 15% without giving the proper context. Not a
    strawman. Since just over half the voters chose Biden, you
    should cut that number in half if you mean to refer to his
    support in the general population.

    For the THIRD TIME, that is not what I mean
    You didn't say what you meant.

    It's just SO fucking obvious. The subject matter is the Democrat
    primary debates

    Me: Remind me of when Trump had primary debates in 2020.
    You: whatabout RFK jr polling 15%

    Trump's still a Republican, yes?

    and now RFK, Jr. is up to 19% among dems.
    Not "up." It's a different poll so that doesn't show differences.
    "while Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., pulls almost one-in-five
    Democratic votes against incumbent President Joe Biden."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/27/fox-news-poll-trump-desantis-rfk-jr-biden/11750616002/



    Saw it. Not concerned about a spoiler with a one-issue candidacy basedon pseudoscience.

    That's not the point,

    It's my opinion about RFKjr polling 15%.

    Point is, he should be on a debate stage against Biden.

    See how he's doing a year from now and get back to me.

    And if you are not concerned about his candidacy, you shouldn't be
    afraidto have him debate Biden. Unless........ what you are really
    afraid of is Biden's mental capacity

    He's fine. How's Trump's mental capacity?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 28 07:15:35 2023
    On 4/27/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm >>>>>> good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better
    than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month.

    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?

    You don't remember? You were complimentary: "DeSantis is going to be
    president and his policy will be MAGA on efficiency steroids."

    That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll.
    DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by
    giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.

    But it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing, not the
    RNC? Whatabout clearing the path for W back in the day by shutting down
    fund raising for other candidates? Leadership picks and chooses all the
    time.

    Feel free to propose a system without these problems.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 08:28:23 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:15:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better >>>> than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month.

    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?
    You don't remember? You were complimentary: "DeSantis is going to be president and his policy will be MAGA on efficiency steroids."

    In 2020? Do we one of your pupils to remind you of where you've been?

    That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll. >>> DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by
    giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.
    But it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing,

    You don't see the difference between a cadidate refusing to debate
    and the DNC refusing to host a debate saying their all in for a candidate? Particularly one everyone knows would look like a geriatric dufus should he try to debate.


    not the
    RNC? Whatabout clearing the path for W back in the day by shutting down
    fund raising for other candidates? Leadership picks and chooses all the time.

    Doesn't make it right.

    Feel free to propose a system without these problems.

    Don't vote for the shits who benefit. But you do...over and over.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Apr 28 16:14:15 2023
    On 4/28/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:15:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better >>>>>> than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month.

    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?
    You don't remember? You were complimentary: "DeSantis is going to be
    president and his policy will be MAGA on efficiency steroids."

    In 2020? Do we one of your pupils to remind you of where you've been?

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.audio.opinion/c/4Uc7UOWY_no/m/mJSmoBXpAQAJ

    That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll. >>>>> DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by
    giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.
    But it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing,

    You don't see the difference between a cadidate refusing to debate
    and the DNC refusing to host a debate saying their all in for a candidate?

    No, I pointed it out.

    Particularly one everyone knows would look like a geriatric dufus should he try to debate.

    We'll see when he takes on Trump in 2024.

    not the RNC? Whatabout clearing the path for W back in the day by shutting down
    fund raising for other candidates? Leadership picks and chooses all the
    time.

    Doesn't make it right.

    Now do dark money.

    Feel free to propose a system without these problems.

    Don't vote for the shits who benefit. But you do...over and over.

    Only when they support my values and make proposals for stuff I want.
    You'd like there to be a bunch of Dem protest votes.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 19:50:42 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:14:18 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:15:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better >>>>>> than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month. >>>
    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?
    You don't remember? You were complimentary: "DeSantis is going to be
    president and his policy will be MAGA on efficiency steroids."

    In 2020? Do we one of your pupils to remind you of where you've been?
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.audio.opinion/c/4Uc7UOWY_no/m/mJSmoBXpAQAJ >>>>> That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll.
    DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by >>>> giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.
    But it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing,

    You don't see the difference between a cadidate refusing to debate
    and the DNC refusing to host a debate saying their all in for a candidate?
    No, I pointed it out.

    Hmmm... He didn't see what he pointed out. That's quite the trick.


    Particularly one everyone knows would look like a geriatric dufus should he try to debate.
    We'll see when he takes on Trump in 2024.

    So you think the charges against Trump are BS. Good news for Trump.

    not the RNC? Whatabout clearing the path for W back in the day by shutting down
    fund raising for other candidates? Leadership picks and chooses all the >> time.

    Doesn't make it right.
    Now do dark money.

    What about...moving goalposts and a subject change....all in one.

    A triple rule breaker. A 3 striker....

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Apr 29 09:06:22 2023
    On 4/28/23 9:50 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:14:18 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/28/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:15:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/27/23 9:34 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:59:14 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 4/26/23 6:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:54:49 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>
    I didn't complain about Trump's lack of primary debates in 2016, so I'm
    good.

    Consistently bad is not good.
    So complaining about Biden but not about Trump is just right, better >>>>>>>> than accepting or rejecting both?

    Honestly, I didn't know Trump had any primary opponents.
    You posted about DeSantis and his candidacy at the start of the month. >>>>>
    How many times did your Mommy drop you on your head?
    Maybe a foot stomp or two for good measure?
    You don't remember? You were complimentary: "DeSantis is going to be
    president and his policy will be MAGA on efficiency steroids."

    In 2020? Do we one of your pupils to remind you of where you've been?
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.audio.opinion/c/4Uc7UOWY_no/m/mJSmoBXpAQAJ >>>>>>> That's how little impact they made.
    Asa Hutchinson doesn't have you quaking in your boots?
    Meanwhile, I see Kennedy is already up to 19%.
    And Marie has another 4%
    "Up to"? Let me guess, a nuisance poll of some kind. Yes, Fox News poll. >>>>>>> DNC is telling nearly a quarter of their voters to pound sand.
    Your party doesn't think much of you as a voter.
    Unlike the RNC in 2020. Maybe the DNC is best serving its voters by >>>>>> giving their likely candidate the best chance of winning.

    And there it is....we'll tell you what's good for you and it will be all about winning.
    Cuz that's where the money is.
    But it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing,

    You don't see the difference between a cadidate refusing to debate
    and the DNC refusing to host a debate saying their all in for a candidate? >> No, I pointed it out.

    Hmmm... He didn't see what he pointed out. That's quite the trick.

    "it's okay for Trump because it was him doing the refusing"

    Particularly one everyone knows would look like a geriatric dufus should he try to debate.
    We'll see when he takes on Trump in 2024.

    So you think the charges against Trump are BS. Good news for Trump.

    There's a leap.

    not the RNC? Whatabout clearing the path for W back in the day by shutting down
    fund raising for other candidates? Leadership picks and chooses all the >>>> time.

    Doesn't make it right.
    Now do dark money.

    What about...moving goalposts and a subject change....all in one.

    A triple rule breaker. A 3 striker....
    If the subject is 'elites making secret decisions' it's neither of those things.

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