• Tom Holman says

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 10:57:14 2023
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in place

    remain in Mexico.

    Why wouldn't Joe keep that? It's US law. And he isn't law abiding.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue May 2 14:00:51 2023
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in place

    remain in Mexico.

    Why wouldn't Joe keep that?

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354

    It's US law. And he isn't law abiding.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-supreme-courts-surprise-ruling-on-bidens-immigration-policy

    The ruling, Biden v. Texas, underscored just how extreme the lower
    courts’ reasoning had been—and, by extension, how entrenched the conservative position on immigration enforcement has become. The Fifth
    Circuit ruled that the President had only two options for handling new
    arrivals at the border: it could detain them or expel them. Because of
    limited detention capacity, the logic went, ending M.P.P. meant that the government was breaking the law by allowing some migrants into the U.S.
    while they applied for asylum. “The problem,” Roberts wrote, “is that
    the statute does not say anything like that.” The federal government has never been able to detain everyone at the border (not that it hasn’t
    tried), and for decades Democratic and Republican Administrations,
    including Donald Trump’s, allowed asylum seekers into the country. “Obviously, this is a victory,” Judy Rabinovitz, an A.C.L.U. attorney
    who has been litigating M.P.P. since 2019, told me. “It is a resounding rejection of the Fifth Circuit.”

    ...“People attribute the immigration policies in place to the
    Administration, but huge chunks of it have actually been the policy of
    federal judges in Republican-led states and, ultimately, the Supreme
    Court,” Ahilan Arulanantham, the co-director of the Center for
    Immigration Law and Policy at U.C.L.A.’s law school, told me.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 15:56:04 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in place

    remain in Mexico.

    Why wouldn't Joe keep that?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354

    Do your ever read past your headlines?

    Biden administration officials further outlined a plan for the implementation of the "MPP" or "Remain in Mexico" policy on a conference call with reporters Monday while underscoring a commitment to ending the program and describing safeguards designed to
    improve conditions for asylum seeking enrollees.

    But it never happened.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry said, after the judge issued the stay, U.S. authorities notified them of their intention to restart the program.

    "Regarding the possible implementation of this policy for the third time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the Government of Mexico, expresses its rejection of the U.S. government's intention to return individuals processed under the program
    to Mexico," the statement said.

    The dumbass can't redo what he's undone.

    It's US law. And he isn't law abiding. https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-supreme-courts-surprise-ruling-on-bidens-immigration-policy

    The ruling, Biden v. Texas, underscored just how extreme the lower
    courts’ reasoning had been—and, by extension, how entrenched the conservative position on immigration enforcement has become. The Fifth Circuit ruled that the President had only two options for handling new arrivals at the border: it could detain them or expel them. Because of limited detention capacity, the logic went, ending M.P.P. meant that the government was breaking the law by allowing some migrants into the U.S. while they applied for asylum. “The problem,” Roberts wrote, “is that the statute does not say anything like that.” The federal government has never been able to detain everyone at the border (not that it hasn’t tried), and for decades Democratic and Republican Administrations,
    including Donald Trump’s, allowed asylum seekers into the country. “Obviously, this is a victory,” Judy Rabinovitz, an A.C.L.U. attorney who has been litigating M.P.P. since 2019, told me. “It is a resounding rejection of the Fifth Circuit.”

    You want immigration reform? I'll give it to you in asylum application reform.
    First answer is no. 2nd Answer is hell no. 3rd answer is we'll get back to you in 10 years
    but if you ever try to enter the US illegally your application will be automatically rejected
    and any future application of admission will be denied.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed May 3 09:39:21 2023
    On 5/2/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in
    place

    remain in Mexico.

    Why wouldn't Joe keep that?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354





    Do your ever read past your headlines?

    The next cites provide context.

    Biden administration officials further outlined a plan for the
    implementation of the "MPP" or "Remain in Mexico" policy on a
    conference call with reporters Monday while underscoring a
    commitment to ending the program and describing safeguards designed
    to improve conditions for asylum seeking enrollees.

    But it never happened.

    It has happened.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/politics/biden-remain-in-mexico/index.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry said, after the judge issued
    the stay, U.S. authorities notified them of their intention to
    restart the program.

    "Regarding the possible implementation of this policy for the third
    time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the Government
    of Mexico, expresses its rejection of the U.S. government's intention
    to return individuals processed under the program to Mexico," the
    statement said.

    The dumbass can't redo what he's undone.

    You're blaming Biden for Mexico's decision? Seems misplaced.

    It's US law. And he isn't law abiding.
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-supreme-courts-surprise-ruling-on-bidens-immigration-policy

    The ruling, Biden v. Texas, underscored just how extreme the
    lower courts’ reasoning had been—and, by extension, how entrenched the>> >> conservative position on immigration enforcement has become.
    You want immigration reform? I'll give it to you in asylum
    application reform. First answer is no. 2nd Answer is hell no. 3rd
    answer is we'll get back to you in 10 years but if you ever try to
    enter the US illegally your application will be automatically
    rejected and any future application of admission will be denied.

    Sounds like the status quo.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 3 15:33:18 2023
    On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in
    place

    remain in Mexico.

    Why wouldn't Joe keep that?
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354





    Do your ever read past your headlines?
    The next cites provide context.
    Biden administration officials further outlined a plan for the implementation of the "MPP" or "Remain in Mexico" policy on a
    conference call with reporters Monday while underscoring a
    commitment to ending the program and describing safeguards designed
    to improve conditions for asylum seeking enrollees.

    But it never happened.
    It has happened.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/politics/biden-remain-in-mexico/index.html

    BS....he said that to appease a court ruling but they never really did it. Illegal immigrants who crossed and were taken by BP and then requested asylum were almost always
    released with a notice to appear or in many cases a notice to get a notice to appear.
    Your stories are BS. And since then he officially ended after court appeal and now he can't restart
    it as Mexico said no. I don't blame them as most of the asylum seekers are from far away and they
    don't have the resources for thousands to remain for months or years in their border cities
    until their case gets a hearing.

    Biden's got himself in a real pickle. The migrant flood is from a thousand little streams all over the world and they can't dam them.
    They're either trudging north from central and south America or fly from around the world into central america (I forget the country but they require no visa for entry) and then trek north. None of the countries in their path are trying to stop them.
    In fact they urge them along because they don't have the resources
    to support them.
    This is all because Biden opened the border and the whole world knows it.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry said, after the judge issued
    the stay, U.S. authorities notified them of their intention to
    restart the program.

    "Regarding the possible implementation of this policy for the third
    time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the Government
    of Mexico, expresses its rejection of the U.S. government's intention
    to return individuals processed under the program to Mexico," the statement said.

    The dumbass can't redo what he's undone.
    You're blaming Biden for Mexico's decision? Seems misplaced.

    I explained why I don't blame Mexico. The situation is far different than under Trump.
    He was able to get the word out and get the origins of migration and Mexico to get
    on board using a variety of strong arm tactics that worked.
    People turned around and went back. But the numbers now are orders of magnitude greater
    and people have travelled much much farther because of Biden's statements, his policies and his actions.
    It's going to be really hard to reverse the flood he started and it's going to be a real hardship
    on the migrants who get stuck in transit.

    It's going to be really really ugly for everyone....and it's all Joe's doing.



    It's US law. And he isn't law abiding.
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-supreme-courts-surprise-ruling-on-bidens-immigration-policy

    The ruling, Biden v. Texas, underscored just how extreme the
    lower courts’ reasoning had been—and, by extension, how entrenched the>>
    conservative position on immigration enforcement has become.
    You want immigration reform? I'll give it to you in asylum
    application reform. First answer is no. 2nd Answer is hell no. 3rd
    answer is we'll get back to you in 10 years but if you ever try to
    enter the US illegally your application will be automatically
    rejected and any future application of admission will be denied.
    Sounds like the status quo.

    That's just head in the sands stupid talk from you.
    What can I give to a comment so ignorant of reality besides an insult?
    I am at a loss...your stupidity has overwhelmed me.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu May 4 08:00:30 2023
    On 5/3/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in
    place

    remain in Mexico.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354



    Do your ever read past your headlines?
    The next cites provide context.
    Biden administration officials further outlined a plan for the
    implementation of the "MPP" or "Remain in Mexico" policy on a
    conference call with reporters Monday while underscoring a
    commitment to ending the program and describing safeguards
    designed to improve conditions for asylum seeking enrollees.

    But it never happened.
    It has happened.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/politics/biden-remain-in-mexico/index.html


    BS....he said that to appease a court ruling but they never really
    did it.

    “People attribute the immigration policies in place to the
    Administration, but huge chunks of it have actually been the policy of
    federal judges in Republican-led states and, ultimately, the Supreme Court,”

    Illegal immigrants who crossed and were taken by BP and then
    requested asylum were almost always released with a notice to appear
    or in many cases a notice to get a notice to appear. Your stories are
    BS. And since then he officially ended after court appeal and now
    he can't restart it as Mexico said no. I don't blame them as most of
    the asylum seekers are from far away and they don't have the
    resources for thousands to remain for months or years in their border
    cities until their case gets a hearing.

    This is not unique to the Biden administration.

    Biden's got himself in a real pickle. The migrant flood is from a
    thousand little streams all over the world and they can't dam them.
    They're either trudging north from central and south America or fly
    from around the world into central america (I forget the country but
    they require no visa for entry) and then trek north. None of the
    countries in their path are trying to stop them. In fact they urge
    them along because they don't have the resources to support them.
    This is all because Biden opened the border and the whole world knows
    it.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story



    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry said, after the judge issued
    the stay, U.S. authorities notified them of their intention to
    restart the program.

    "Regarding the possible implementation of this policy for the
    third time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the
    Government of Mexico, expresses its rejection of the U.S.
    government's intention to return individuals processed under the
    program to Mexico," the statement said.

    The dumbass can't redo what he's undone.
    You're blaming Biden for Mexico's decision? Seems misplaced.

    I explained why I don't blame Mexico. The situation is far different
    than under Trump. He was able to get the word out and get the origins
    of migration and Mexico to get on board using a variety of strong arm
    tactics that worked. People turned around and went back. But the
    numbers now are orders of magnitude greater and people have travelled
    much much farther because of Biden's statements, his policies and his actions. It's going to be really hard to reverse the flood he started
    and it's going to be a real hardship on the migrants who get stuck in transit.

    If it's a "flood" it's because it was dammed up behind a cruel and
    unworkable immigration policy.

    No, people weren't unimmigrating because Trump was so tough. It looks
    like your view of the situation depends on Fox coverage of caravans and
    border walls.

    It's going to be really really ugly for everyone....and it's all
    Joe's doing.

    You would blame him no matter how it comes out. Democrats have
    abandoned immigration proposals due to Republican intransigence so it's
    just variations on the status quo.

    It's US law. And he isn't law abiding.
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-supreme-courts-surprise-ruling-on-bidens-immigration-policy

    You want immigration reform? I'll give it to you in asylum
    application reform. First answer is no. 2nd Answer is hell no.
    3rd answer is we'll get back to you in 10 years but if you ever
    try to enter the US illegally your application will be
    automatically rejected and any future application of admission
    will be denied.
    Sounds like the status quo.

    That's just head in the sands stupid talk from you. What can I give
    to a comment so ignorant of reality besides an insult? I am at a
    loss...your stupidity has overwhelmed me.

    You were already overwhelmed by stupidity when you proposed your "asylum application form."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 4 08:52:03 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:01:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/3/23 5:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 5:56 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 5/2/23 12:57 PM, ScottW wrote:
    the number 1 most effective policy Biden refused to keep in
    place

    remain in Mexico.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-reimposes-remain-mexico-policy/story?id=82059354



    Do your ever read past your headlines?
    The next cites provide context.
    Biden administration officials further outlined a plan for the
    implementation of the "MPP" or "Remain in Mexico" policy on a
    conference call with reporters Monday while underscoring a
    commitment to ending the program and describing safeguards
    designed to improve conditions for asylum seeking enrollees.

    But it never happened.
    It has happened.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/politics/biden-remain-in-mexico/index.html


    BS....he said that to appease a court ruling but they never really
    did it.
    “People attribute the immigration policies in place to the
    Administration, but huge chunks of it have actually been the policy of federal judges in Republican-led states and, ultimately, the Supreme Court,”
    Illegal immigrants who crossed and were taken by BP and then
    requested asylum were almost always released with a notice to appear
    or in many cases a notice to get a notice to appear. Your stories are
    BS. And since then he officially ended after court appeal and now
    he can't restart it as Mexico said no. I don't blame them as most of
    the asylum seekers are from far away and they don't have the
    resources for thousands to remain for months or years in their border cities until their case gets a hearing.
    This is not unique to the Biden administration.

    BS...The numbers are very unique to the Biden administration.


    Biden's got himself in a real pickle. The migrant flood is from a
    thousand little streams all over the world and they can't dam them. They're either trudging north from central and south America or fly
    from around the world into central america (I forget the country but
    they require no visa for entry) and then trek north. None of the
    countries in their path are trying to stop them. In fact they urge
    them along because they don't have the resources to support them.
    This is all because Biden opened the border and the whole world knows
    it.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexico-rejects-effort-reinstate-remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story



    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry said, after the judge issued
    the stay, U.S. authorities notified them of their intention to
    restart the program.

    "Regarding the possible implementation of this policy for the
    third time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the
    Government of Mexico, expresses its rejection of the U.S.
    government's intention to return individuals processed under the
    program to Mexico," the statement said.

    The dumbass can't redo what he's undone.
    You're blaming Biden for Mexico's decision? Seems misplaced.

    I explained why I don't blame Mexico. The situation is far different
    than under Trump. He was able to get the word out and get the origins
    of migration and Mexico to get on board using a variety of strong arm tactics that worked. People turned around and went back. But the
    numbers now are orders of magnitude greater and people have travelled
    much much farther because of Biden's statements, his policies and his actions. It's going to be really hard to reverse the flood he started
    and it's going to be a real hardship on the migrants who get stuck in transit.
    If it's a "flood" it's because it was dammed up behind a cruel and unworkable immigration policy.

    And there's your stupidity. The US cannot be the holy ground of refuge for the
    entire world without becoming the same shit hole they're fleeing from.
    Do you think the people living in their cars and under tarps around here will be
    better off with a couple 10s of million more in the same situation?
    Listen to the mayor of NY....he's crying about some 10's of thousands and their impact on
    NYC.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 4 09:46:04 2023
    And there's your stupidity. The US cannot be the holy ground of refuge for the
    entire world without becoming the same shit hole they're fleeing from.
    Do you think the people living in their cars and under tarps around here will be
    better off with a couple 10s of million more in the same situation?
    Listen to the mayor of NY....he's crying about some 10's of thousands and their impact on
    NYC.

    ScottW

    Thanks for the tip!
    I just made my big investment

    https://www.dwelloutdoorsproducts.com/

    Don't tell that loser Cramer.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu May 4 14:27:29 2023
    On 5/4/23 10:52 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:01:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    “People attribute the immigration policies in place to the
    Administration, but huge chunks of it have actually been the policy
    of federal judges in Republican-led states and, ultimately, the
    Supreme Court,”

    Illegal immigrants who crossed and were taken by BP and then
    requested asylum were almost always released with a notice to
    appear or in many cases a notice to get a notice to appear. Your
    stories are BS. And since then he officially ended after court
    appeal and now he can't restart it as Mexico said no. I don't
    blame them as most of the asylum seekers are from far away and
    they don't have the resources for thousands to remain for months
    or years in their border cities until their case gets a hearing.
    This is not unique to the Biden administration.

    BS...The numbers are very unique to the Biden administration.

    You mean exact numbers? Border crossings? Population living in the US?

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

    https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey

    Says "pro-immigrant" so here's a source without cooties:

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-immigration-debate-0

    That asylum seekers are sometimes allowed to live in the US is not
    unique to Biden.

    It's going to be really hard to reverse the flood he startedand
    it's going to be a real hardship on the migrants who get stuck
    in transit.
    If it's a "flood" it's because it was dammed up behind a cruel and
    unworkable immigration policy.

    And there's your stupidity. The US cannot be the holy ground of
    refuge for the entire world without becoming the same shit hole
    they're fleeing from.

    It's generally Central America at this point, so hardly the "entire world."

    And the economic benefits of immigration do not diminish the US.

    Do you think the people living in their cars and under tarps around
    here will be better off with a couple 10s of million more in the same situation? Listen to the mayor of NY....he's crying about some 10's
    of thousands and their impact on NYC.

    A political response in response to the political act of dumping
    immigrants from other states.

    You make a good case for immigration reform to include timely asylum
    hearings and an increase in the availability of inexpensive housing.

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