• Affirming Care

    From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 15:21:33 2023
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 10:08:21 2023
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 11:29:03 2023
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 1 11:46:44 2023
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:29:05 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.

    I see Steve planning a new piano class promotion....free tuckwear.

    Don't say we didn't warn him.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/target-plunges-10th-day-boycott-results-traffic-weakness-jpm-downgrade-adds-groom-and-doom

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 1 15:37:24 2023
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.

    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,” conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending
    concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 22:40:12 2023
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,” conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not approptiate for children.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 23:07:32 2023
    The Super-Uptight Scaredy Shmoo intoned:

    Drag queens are not approptiate for children.

    No wonder you drowned your children. Or was it because they
    were about to rat you out to the Pedophile Police?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 2 07:09:56 2023
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,”
    conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to
    sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending
    concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.

    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.

    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not approptiate for children.

    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an
    adult drag show.

    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are
    appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 07:10:38 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,”
    conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to >> sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending
    concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not approptiate for children.
    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an adult drag show.

    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

    Drag queens are living out their fetishes.
    Exhibitions of fetishes are not appropriate for children.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 07:09:31 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list.
    And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,”
    conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to >> sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending
    concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not appropriate for children.
    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an adult drag show.

    Still, not appropriate for children.
    QdRAG QUEENS ARE LIVING OUT THEIR FETISHES



    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?


    Is that your latest kinky fetish?

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 2 10:11:50 2023
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list. >>>>> And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,”
    conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to >>>> sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending >>>> concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not appropriate for children.
    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an
    adult drag show.

    Still, not appropriate for children.

    Reading children's stories to children is appropriate even if the reader
    is wearing a costume while doing it.

    QdRAG QUEENS ARE LIVING OUT THEIR FETISHES

    No, they're performing artists. You're mixing them up with the old
    attitudes towards "transvestites" who were assumed to be fetishists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism

    "Transvestic fetishism is a psychiatric diagnosis applied to men who are thought to have an excessive sexual or erotic interest in
    cross-dressing; this interest is often expressed in autoerotic behavior.
    *It differs from cross-dressing for entertainment or other purposes that
    do not involve sexual arousal.* Under the name transvestic disorder, it
    is categorized as a paraphilia in the DSM-5."

    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are
    appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

    Is that your latest kinky fetish?
    Kink shaming? No.

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern

    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 16:34:56 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list. >>>>> And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,” >>>> conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to >>>> sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending >>>> concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not appropriate for children.
    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an >> adult drag show.

    Still, not appropriate for children.
    Reading children's stories to children is appropriate even if the reader
    is wearing a costume while doing it.
    QdRAG QUEENS ARE LIVING OUT THEIR FETISHES
    No, they're performing artists. You're mixing them up with the old
    attitudes towards "transvestites" who were assumed to be fetishists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism

    "Transvestic fetishism is a psychiatric diagnosis applied to men who are thought to have an excessive sexual or erotic interest in
    cross-dressing; this interest is often expressed in autoerotic behavior.
    *It differs from cross-dressing for entertainment or other purposes that
    do not involve sexual arousal.* Under the name transvestic disorder, it
    is categorized as a paraphilia in the DSM-5."
    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are
    appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

    Is that your latest kinky fetish?
    Kink shaming? No.


    Grooming shaming

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 18:06:55 2023
    Time for "let's pretend".

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”
    Huh?

    I would have commented that nobody could possibly be that obtuse.
    Then again, this is the Year of the Shmoo-Sack.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 3 10:03:32 2023
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.

    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

    For example, you just said "grooming shaming" because everyone's against grooming, right? But what you're calling 'grooming' is simply existing
    in public, representation.

    This is a real slippery slope. A Montana anti-drag law was used as an
    excuse to cancel a public speech by a trans person. Drag is not trans. A lecture is not a drag show.

    A golden oldie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    "A central idea of The Authoritarian Personality is that
    authoritarianism is the result of a Freudian developmental model.
    Excessively harsh and punitive parenting was posited to cause children
    to feel immense anger towards their parents; yet fear of parental
    disapproval or punishment caused people to not directly confront their
    parents, but rather to identify with and idolize authority figures."

    Better to bully than to be bullied.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 09:09:09 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,



    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

    For example, you just said "grooming shaming" because everyone's against grooming, right? But what you're calling 'grooming' is simply existing
    in public, representation.

    no no no
    Its ideological force feeding
    it has no place in schools
    even representation has no place in schnooks.



    This is a real slippery slope. A Montana anti-drag law was used as an
    excuse to cancel a public speech by a trans person. Drag is not trans. A lecture is not a drag show.


    We don't need either one in schoold



    A golden oldie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    "A central idea of The Authoritarian Personality is that
    authoritarianism is the result of a Freudian developmental model. Excessively harsh and punitive parenting was posited to cause children
    to feel immense anger towards their parents; yet fear of parental disapproval or punishment caused people to not directly confront their parents, but rather to identify with and idolize authority figures."

    Better to bully than to be bullied.


    Its the trans that are doing the bullying.

    Case in point:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-requires-officials-to-use-preferred-pronouns-docs-reveal/ar-AA1c0mdT

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 3 11:24:29 2023
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.

    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

    For example, you just said "grooming shaming" because everyone's against
    grooming, right? But what you're calling 'grooming' is simply existing
    in public, representation.

    no no no
    Its ideological force feeding

    By existing.

    it has no place in schools
    even representation has no place in schnooks.

    There, you've said it.

    This is a real slippery slope. A Montana anti-drag law was used as an
    excuse to cancel a public speech by a trans person. Drag is not trans. A
    lecture is not a drag show.

    We don't need either one in schoold

    So no trans allowed in schools? You'd fire trans teachers? Would you
    expel trans kids? or just send them to special schools? Maybe a camp?

    A golden oldie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    "A central idea of The Authoritarian Personality is that
    authoritarianism is the result of a Freudian developmental model.
    Excessively harsh and punitive parenting was posited to cause children
    to feel immense anger towards their parents; yet fear of parental
    disapproval or punishment caused people to not directly confront their
    parents, but rather to identify with and idolize authority figures."

    Better to bully than to be bullied.


    Its the trans that are doing the bullying.

    More Adorno:

    "Moreover, the book suggested that authoritarianism was rooted in
    suppressed homosexuality, which was redirected into outward hostility
    towards the father, which was, in turn, suppressed for fear of being infantilized and castrated by the father."

    Case in point:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-requires-officials-to-use-preferred-pronouns-docs-reveal/ar-AA1c0mdT

    Required pronouns? Is that all you've got? Common courtesy?

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 15:21:52 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 9:24:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,
    Gender identity is inherent.

    BS, very hard to differentiate between inherent and indoctrinated gender dysphoria.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 17:56:46 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:24:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,
    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.
    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

    For example, you just said "grooming shaming" because everyone's against >> grooming, right? But what you're calling 'grooming' is simply existing
    in public, representation.

    no no no
    Its ideological force feeding


    By existing.

    you are very welcome to exist.
    Just stay away from the kiddies.


    it has no place in schools
    even representation has no place in schnooks.
    There, you've said it.
    This is a real slippery slope. A Montana anti-drag law was used as an
    excuse to cancel a public speech by a trans person. Drag is not trans. A >> lecture is not a drag show.

    We don't need either one in schoold
    So no trans allowed in schools? You'd fire trans teachers? Would you
    expel trans kids? or just send them to special schools? Maybe a camp?

    no not what I said.
    No adult groomers and fetishists, that's what I said.



    A golden oldie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    "A central idea of The Authoritarian Personality is that
    authoritarianism is the result of a Freudian developmental model.
    Excessively harsh and punitive parenting was posited to cause children
    to feel immense anger towards their parents; yet fear of parental
    disapproval or punishment caused people to not directly confront their
    parents, but rather to identify with and idolize authority figures."

    Better to bully than to be bullied.

    that is why I am counterpunching back at you six times more strong than you punch me.





    Its the trans that are doing the bullying.
    More Adorno:

    "Moreover, the book suggested that authoritarianism was rooted in
    suppressed homosexuality, which was redirected into outward hostility towards the father, which was, in turn, suppressed for fear of being infantilized and castrated by the father."

    gobbledygook

    Case in point:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-requires-officials-to-use-preferred-pronouns-docs-reveal/ar-AA1c0mdT
    Required pronouns? Is that all you've got? Common courtesy?



    "Required" is NOT common courtesy, it is compelled speech, and not free speech

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021

    Compelling speech is fatal violence. whatever that is!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 17:59:47 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:24:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.


    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public.
    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 4 14:20:59 2023
    On 6/3/23 7:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Case in point:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-requires-officials-to-use-preferred-pronouns-docs-reveal/ar-AA1c0mdT

    Required pronouns? Is that all you've got? Common courtesy?


    "Required" is NOT common courtesy, it is compelled speech, and not
    free speech

    Not using preferred address is discourteous. You are free to not work as
    a Dallas official if you can't follow the rules.

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021

    Compelling speech is fatal violence. whatever that is!

    You're sad you might have to correctly gender someone, that someone is
    worried about being killed or beaten. Winner: not you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 4 14:23:38 2023
    On 6/3/23 7:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:24:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools.
    forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.


    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public.

    Reading books wearing a costume. Still not "recruitment" and I didn't
    miss your attempt to equate being at a school with child abuse.

    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.

    It's all for show. Schools already have dress codes for teachers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 4 14:16:48 2023
    On 6/3/23 7:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:24:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools.
    forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,
    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.
    Fetishes are not appropriate for childern
    Following the Rufo rules, I see, trying to make it look like I'm
    "defending concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    Huh?

    For example, you just said "grooming shaming" because everyone's against >>>> grooming, right? But what you're calling 'grooming' is simply existing >>>> in public, representation.

    no no no
    Its ideological force feeding


    By existing.

    you are very welcome to exist.
    Just stay away from the kiddies.

    There's no reason for LGBTQ to stay away from children as such. And the
    next step is forbid being in public as bathroom bills would do.

    it has no place in schools
    even representation has no place in schnooks.
    There, you've said it.
    This is a real slippery slope. A Montana anti-drag law was used as an
    excuse to cancel a public speech by a trans person. Drag is not trans. A >>>> lecture is not a drag show.

    We don't need either one in schoold
    So no trans allowed in schools? You'd fire trans teachers? Would you
    expel trans kids? or just send them to special schools? Maybe a camp?

    no not what I said.
    No adult groomers and fetishists, that's what I said.

    You're equating LGBTQ with "groomers and fetishists." You're ignoring
    that some school children are also LGBTQ.

    A golden oldie:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    "A central idea of The Authoritarian Personality is that
    authoritarianism is the result of a Freudian developmental model.
    Excessively harsh and punitive parenting was posited to cause children >>>> to feel immense anger towards their parents; yet fear of parental
    disapproval or punishment caused people to not directly confront their >>>> parents, but rather to identify with and idolize authority figures."

    Better to bully than to be bullied.

    that is why I am counterpunching back at you six times more strong than you punch me.

    That's what I meant when I said you're hurting yourself. And I'm not
    punching you, just showing your justifications to be false.

    Its the trans that are doing the bullying.
    More Adorno:

    "Moreover, the book suggested that authoritarianism was rooted in
    suppressed homosexuality, which was redirected into outward hostility
    towards the father, which was, in turn, suppressed for fear of being
    infantilized and castrated by the father."

    gobbledygook

    The castration anxieties seem apropos, what with all your going on about mutilation and chopping things off. Sure, Freud is passe, but still...


    Case in point:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dallas-requires-officials-to-use-preferred-pronouns-docs-reveal/ar-AA1c0mdT
    Required pronouns? Is that all you've got? Common courtesy?



    "Required" is NOT common courtesy, it is compelled speech, and not free speech

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021

    Compelling speech is fatal violence. whatever that is!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 14:52:33 2023
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 7:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:24:37 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 11:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 6:34 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:11:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 9:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    More Art:

    Grooming shaming

    All-purpose smear word.

    FALSE grooming is exactly why the trans community is invading schools. >>> forcing their gender ideology (and who knows what else!) down the little kiddies throats,

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.


    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public.
    Reading books wearing a costume. Still not "recruitment" and I didn't
    miss your attempt to equate being at a school with child abuse.

    because you are throwing your agenda on them, which they
    don'y need to see. Its inappropriate for that age group.



    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.
    It's all for show. Schools already have dress codes for teachers.

    well, there is that monster prosthetic boob crossdresser/trans/whatever up in Canada.


    We don't need your kind of show.
    Keep LGBT+ advocates out of schools. They don't need to be there.
    Stay away from the kiddies. The only reason they do this is to groom.

    Live your lives on your own as adults, i have no interest in oppressing you, until you start messing with children.

    You guys and dolls can lead your happy lives without parading yourselves
    in front of children.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 5 09:16:53 2023
    On 6/4/23 4:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let
    live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.

    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public.
    Reading books wearing a costume. Still not "recruitment" and I didn't
    miss your attempt to equate being at a school with child abuse.

    because you are throwing your agenda on them, which they
    don'y need to see. Its inappropriate for that age group.

    It's not inappropriate for children to see adults in costume reading
    books. And "agenda" = "existing in public"

    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.
    It's all for show. Schools already have dress codes for teachers.

    well, there is that monster prosthetic boob crossdresser/trans/whatever up in Canada.

    Yes, you all love to nut-pick. You're not trying to ban females with
    boob jobs from schools.

    We don't need your kind of show.
    Keep LGBT+ advocates out of schools. They don't need to be there.
    Stay away from the kiddies. The only reason they do this is to groom.

    A portion of those children are LGBTQ.

    Live your lives on your own as adults, i have no interest in oppressing you, until you start messing with children.

    By existing in public.


    You guys and dolls can lead your happy lives without parading yourselves
    in front of children.

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 13:46:34 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 7:16:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/4/23 4:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let >>>> live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.

    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public. >> Reading books wearing a costume. Still not "recruitment" and I didn't
    miss your attempt to equate being at a school with child abuse.

    because you are throwing your agenda on them, which they
    don'y need to see. Its inappropriate for that age group.
    It's not inappropriate for children to see adults in costume reading
    books. And "agenda" = "existing in public"
    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.
    It's all for show. Schools already have dress codes for teachers.

    well, there is that monster prosthetic boob crossdresser/trans/whatever up in Canada.
    Yes, you all love to nut-pick. You're not trying to ban females with
    boob jobs from schools.
    We don't need your kind of show.
    Keep LGBT+ advocates out of schools. They don't need to be there.
    Stay away from the kiddies. The only reason they do this is to groom.
    A portion of those children are LGBTQ.
    Live your lives on your own as adults, i have no interest in oppressing you,
    until you start messing with children.
    By existing in public.
    You guys and dolls can lead your happy lives without parading yourselves in front of children.
    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    That sounds so pedophilic.

    ScottW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 6 09:52:58 2023
    On 6/2/23 9:10 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:09:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/2/23 12:40 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 4:37:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/1/23 1:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    https://i.redd.it/slow-day-get-your-rage-on-with-the-maga-wheel-of-outrage-v0-52za2987bn2b1.jpg?

    You looney tune lefties give me a lot of choices.

    But sterilizing and dismembering children is at the top of the list. >>>>> And you even take "Pride" in it.
    [Rufo] proposed that instead of saying “drag queens in schools,”
    conservatives should use “trans stripper” to shift “the debate to >>>> sexualization.” That way, the left “will find themselves defending >>>> concepts and words that are deeply disturbing to most people.”

    You are conflating two different things,
    I don't want attired drag queens in public schools.
    No, that's you conflating public schools and library story time.
    Let them perform in night clubs,

    Drag queens are not approptiate for children.
    Adult drag shows are not appropriate for children. Story time is not an
    adult drag show.

    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are
    appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

    Drag queens are living out their fetishes.
    Exhibitions of fetishes are not appropriate for children.

    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 08:47:33 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    "Drag queen" is a subset of costumed performer, many of which are
    appropriate for children, or will your next moral panic be about
    pantomime horses?

    Drag queens are living out their fetishes.
    Exhibitions of fetishes are not appropriate for children.
    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard.

    Just because something is false is no reason not to repeat it.
    Dumpster leads the way, and the MAGA morons bleat along compliantly.
    Remember "drain the swamp"? Dumpy did the opposite, along with his
    coterie of grifters and thieves. Nonetheless, he claimed success. Same
    with "rebuilding the military" - utter nonsense, debunked hundreds of
    times, but he continues to repeat it. And don't even start with "witch hunt", my pretties.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 13:51:14 2023
    v
    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard.

    Strip tease is an art form.
    Both drag and strip tease are not suitable for children.

    Keep your fetish away from other people's children.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 13:49:30 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/4/23 4:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:23:41 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Gender identity is inherent. You can't say you're for "live and let >>>> live" if you claim appearing in public is recruitment.

    Putting on shows in front of kids goes way beyond appearing in public. >> Reading books wearing a costume. Still not "recruitment" and I didn't
    miss your attempt to equate being at a school with child abuse.

    because you are throwing your agenda on them, which they
    don'y need to see. Its inappropriate for that age group.
    It's not inappropriate for children to see adults in costume reading
    books. And "agenda" = "existing in public"
    You are welcome to shop in the supermarket.
    Stay out of schools and kiddie programs.
    It's all for show. Schools already have dress codes for teachers.

    well, there is that monster prosthetic boob crossdresser/trans/whatever up in Canada.
    Yes, you all love to nut-pick. You're not trying to ban females with
    boob jobs from schools.
    We don't need your kind of show.
    Keep LGBT+ advocates out of schools. They don't need to be there.
    Stay away from the kiddies. The only reason they do this is to groom.
    A portion of those children are LGBTQ.
    Live your lives on your own as adults, i have no interest in oppressing you,
    until you start messing with children.
    By existing in public.
    You guys and dolls can lead your happy lives without parading yourselves in front of children.
    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    you can exist just fine without pushing your agenda onto other people's children.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 14:03:02 2023
    Shmoo-Sack has an intractable infection of stubbornness. Or stupidity.
    Or religious fascism. Or all of the above...

    you can exist just fine without pushing your agenda onto other people's children.

    "Agenda"? WTF are you babbling about, moron?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 7 08:58:06 2023
    On 6/6/23 3:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    v
    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard.

    Strip tease is an art form.

    There's no "Strip Tease Story Hour."

    Both drag and strip tease are not suitable for children.

    Book reading is.

    Keep your fetish away from other people's children.

    No fetishes involved no matter how many times you misapply the word.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 09:43:00 2023
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:58:08 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/6/23 3:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    v
    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard.

    Strip tease is an art form.
    There's no "Strip Tease Story Hour."
    Both drag and strip tease are not suitable for children.
    Book reading is.

    not by dragsters.
    Nor by naked people having sex.
    Thseobjection is not to the books,

    Keep your fetish away from other people's children.
    No fetishes involved no matter how many times you misapply the word.

    Maybe you're right, lets teach the kiddies how a drag queen prepares for his "performance art".

    this is an instructional video on how to tuck, how
    to dress up, and how to carry yourself as a drag queen
    some frontal nudity, no sex acts,

    https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=816611165

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 10:33:59 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 7 13:25:57 2023
    On 6/7/23 11:43 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:58:08 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/6/23 3:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    v
    No, drag is an art form. You're mixing it up with old-school
    transvestites. I suppose you're going to continue repeating this canard. >>>
    Strip tease is an art form.
    There's no "Strip Tease Story Hour."
    Both drag and strip tease are not suitable for children.
    Book reading is.

    not by dragsters.

    Wrong.

    Nor by naked people having sex.

    Not happening.

    Thseobjection is not to the books,

    Yes, it's to men dressed in women's clothes.

    Keep your fetish away from other people's children.
    No fetishes involved no matter how many times you misapply the word.

    Maybe you're right, lets teach the kiddies how a drag queen prepares for his "performance art".

    No worse than watching an actor put on makeup and costume.

    this is an instructional video on how to tuck, how
    to dress up, and how to carry yourself as a drag queen
    some frontal nudity, no sex acts,

    Nudity is not appropriate for schools or library children's hour.

    https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=816611165

    Yes, your antipathy to drag has led you to watch pornhub videos about
    drag. Why not something a little nicer?

    Andrew in Drag:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_l3EGQvL8

    No, not that Andrew in drag:

    https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/10/giuliani-dressed-drag-trump-couldnt-keep-mouth-off-either/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 7 13:35:10 2023
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"

    You're out of replies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 14:07:12 2023
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    say that again!

    If you are unhappy, I am glad.
    If I made you unhappy, I am doubly glad.

    Happy or not, you exist

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 8 09:36:00 2023
    On 6/7/23 4:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    say that again!

    Sure, echolalia and babbling remain options for you.

    If you are unhappy, I am glad.
    If I made you unhappy, I am doubly glad.

    Happy or not, you exist

    You overestimate your effect on your reader. "Pity" or "sorrow" are
    better descriptions of what you inspire.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 8 13:17:41 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:36:03 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 4:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    say that again!
    Sure, echolalia and babbling remain options for you.
    If you are unhappy, I am glad.
    If I made you unhappy, I am doubly glad.

    Happy or not, you exist
    You overestimate your effect on your reader. "Pity" or "sorrow" are
    better descriptions of what you inspire.

    Sounds like you have been bound, tucked and castrated.
    Sorry to hear about that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 15:08:39 2023
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 9 18:33:24 2023
    On 6/9/23 5:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 17:03:15 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 7:33:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 5:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables

    you got me! I'm busted!
    It said right in there that cabbages can be turned into watermelons!

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 10 08:48:17 2023
    On 6/9/23 7:03 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 7:33:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 5:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables

    you got me! I'm busted!
    It said right in there that cabbages can be turned into watermelons!

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!

    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/food/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/cabbage-and-crucifer-plants

    "[B]roccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, collards, kale, and kohlrabi belong to the same species (Brassica oleracea L.) in the
    Brassicaceae or mustard family."

    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 10 14:02:52 2023
    On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 9:48:19 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 7:03 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 7:33:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 5:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables

    you got me! I'm busted!
    It said right in there that cabbages can be turned into watermelons!

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!
    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/food/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/cabbage-and-crucifer-plants

    "[B]roccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, collards, kale, and kohlrabi belong to the same species (Brassica oleracea L.) in the Brassicaceae or mustard family."

    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    I doubt that.
    If the genes were identical you would have the same thing, given identical stages in life.

    What does all that have to do with watermelon?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 11 12:15:28 2023
    On 6/10/23 4:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 9:48:19 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 7:03 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 7:33:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/9/23 5:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/7/23 12:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Can't be happy if you're not allowed to exist.

    More like the whiny "can't exist if not allowed to be happy"
    You're out of replies.

    You can't surgically turn a cabbage into a watermelon
    Hormones don't do it either.
    However, such attempts may leave the cabbage infertile.
    No such thing as fruit (or fruitcake) affirming surgery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables

    you got me! I'm busted!
    It said right in there that cabbages can be turned into watermelons!

    NOT!!!!!!!!!!
    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/food/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/cabbage-and-crucifer-plants

    "[B]roccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, collards, kale, and
    kohlrabi belong to the same species (Brassica oleracea L.) in the
    Brassicaceae or mustard family."

    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    I doubt that.
    If the genes were identical you would have the same thing, given identical stages in life.

    Species can have diverse gene expression.

    What does all that have to do with watermelon?

    That's a question for you since you brought it up.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 11 18:29:00 2023
    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.


    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self expression.
    Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?


    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or woman.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 11 18:36:07 2023


    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    FALSE!

    Through their work, Arias and Niederhuth found 3,958 expressed genes that separated kale from cabbage and TO1000. Some of these differences were in genes that regulate vegetative and reproductive transitions — things that create the very different look
    of cabbage versus kale.

    https://bondlsc.missouri.edu/2021/04/28/lab-explores-link-between-genetic-differences-and-domestication-in-kale/#:~:text=Through%20their%20work%2C%20Arias%20and%20Niederhuth%20found%203%2C958,genes%20they%20found%20in%20kale%20were%20particularly%
    20interesting.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 12 09:38:05 2023
    On 6/11/23 8:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.


    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self expression.
    Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?

    Go ahead, ask one.

    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or woman.

    No, that's not always true.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 12 09:44:56 2023
    On 6/11/23 8:36 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or
    cauliflower.

    FALSE!

    Through their work, Arias and Niederhuth found 3,958 expressed genes
    that separated kale from cabbage and TO1000. Some of these
    differences were in genes that regulate vegetative and reproductive transitions — things that create the very different look of cabbage
    versus kale.

    https://bondlsc.missouri.edu/2021/04/28/lab-explores-link-between-genetic-differences-and-domestication-in-kale/
    Well-done! Except this refers to gene expression, which involves
    switching on or off genes in common. You've made my point in that these
    are the same genetic species with very different expressions.

    I accept these are kale vs cabbage, not cauliflower.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 15:07:55 2023
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:44:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:36 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or
    cauliflower.

    FALSE!

    Through their work, Arias and Niederhuth found 3,958 expressed genes
    that separated kale from cabbage and TO1000. Some of these
    differences were in genes that regulate vegetative and reproductive transitions — things that create the very different look of cabbage versus kale.

    https://bondlsc.missouri.edu/2021/04/28/lab-explores-link-between-genetic-differences-and-domestication-in-kale/
    Well-done! Except this refers to gene expression, which involves
    switching on or off genes in common. You've made my point in that these
    are the same genetic species with very different expressions.

    I accept these are kale vs cabbage, not cauliflower.

    Your head is definitely cabbage,
    You are a cabbagehead.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 15:06:56 2023
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.


    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self expression.
    Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?
    Go ahead, ask one.
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or woman.
    No, that's not always true.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

    That is a mutation.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 13 17:18:15 2023
    On 6/13/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:44:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:36 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or
    cauliflower.

    FALSE!

    Through their work, Arias and Niederhuth found 3,958 expressed genes
    that separated kale from cabbage and TO1000. Some of these
    differences were in genes that regulate vegetative and reproductive
    transitions — things that create the very different look of cabbage
    versus kale.

    https://bondlsc.missouri.edu/2021/04/28/lab-explores-link-between-genetic-differences-and-domestication-in-kale/
    Well-done! Except this refers to gene expression, which involves
    switching on or off genes in common. You've made my point in that these
    are the same genetic species with very different expressions.

    I accept these are kale vs cabbage, not cauliflower.

    Your head is definitely cabbage,
    You are a cabbagehead.

    SCTV fan? Or Kids in the Hall?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 13 17:16:15 2023
    On 6/13/23 5:06 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.

    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self expression.
    Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?
    Go ahead, ask one.
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower.

    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or woman.
    No, that's not always true.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

    That is a mutation.

    Still a human. Go read your old X-Men comics to see how your attitude
    can go, plus bonus Morlock content.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 09:28:38 2023
    On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:18:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/13/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:44:59 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:36 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or
    cauliflower.

    FALSE!

    Through their work, Arias and Niederhuth found 3,958 expressed genes
    that separated kale from cabbage and TO1000. Some of these
    differences were in genes that regulate vegetative and reproductive
    transitions — things that create the very different look of cabbage >>> versus kale.

    https://bondlsc.missouri.edu/2021/04/28/lab-explores-link-between-genetic-differences-and-domestication-in-kale/
    Well-done! Except this refers to gene expression, which involves
    switching on or off genes in common. You've made my point in that these >> are the same genetic species with very different expressions.

    I accept these are kale vs cabbage, not cauliflower.

    Your head is definitely cabbage,
    You are a cabbagehead.
    SCTV fan? Or Kids in the Hall?


    Merrian Webster
    cabbagehead
    noun
    1
    : the compact head formed by the leaves of a cabbage
    2
    : a thick-witted person
    3
    : an abnormal growth in rutabagas caused by the larvae of a gall midge (Contarinia nasturtii) feeding in the basal part of the stalks

    First Known Use
    1682, in the meaning defined at sense 2


    but not this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage_Alley

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 09:22:07 2023
    On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/13/23 5:06 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same species
    expressed differently.

    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self expression. >>> Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?
    Go ahead, ask one.
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or cauliflower. >>>
    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or woman.
    No, that's not always true.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

    That is a mutation.
    Still a human. Go read your old X-Men comics to see how your attitude
    can go, plus bonus Morlock content.

    Some humans have been born with six fingers, four fingers, no fingers, three feet,
    attached to a twin human, some with two heads, and even one with no brain who is named Steve.
    That does not confer upon them a category.
    WE CAN SAFELY SAY THAT HUMANS HAVE TWO LEGS, TWO ARMS, FIVE
    FINGERS ON EACH HAND, AND ARE OF ONE OF TWO SEXES, EITHER MALE OR FEMALE.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 14 11:45:23 2023
    On 6/14/23 11:22 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/13/23 5:06 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/11/23 8:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    You missed the point. Cruciferous vegetables are the same
    species expressed differently.

    I didn't know that cabbages and Kale were capable of self
    expression. Is a cabbage a him, or a her, or a they?
    Go ahead, ask one.
    Looking at the genes can't tell you if you've got kale or
    cauliflower.

    Looking at the human genes tells you if you've got a man or
    woman.
    No, that's not always true.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

    That is a mutation.
    Still a human. Go read your old X-Men comics to see how your
    attitude can go, plus bonus Morlock content.

    Some humans have been born with six fingers, four fingers, no
    fingers, three feet, attached to a twin human, some with two heads,
    and even one with no brain who is named Steve.

    All still human with the same genes. Calling BS on "three feet."

    That does not confer upon them a category. WE CAN SAFELY SAY THAT
    HUMANS HAVE TWO LEGS, TWO ARMS, FIVE FINGERS ON EACH HAND, AND ARE OF
    ONE OF TWO SEXES, EITHER MALE OR FEMALE.

    Not all humans...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jun 14 11:50:34 2023
    On 6/14/23 11:28 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:18:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/13/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    You are a cabbagehead.
    SCTV fan? Or Kids in the Hall?

    but not this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbage_Alley

    There's the whimsy and cultural awareness one hopes for on RAO. I see
    your Meters and raise you:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Homme_à_tête_de_chou

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