• I Question the Medical Experts

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 07:31:00 2023
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U (IIRC) on Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year old girl who stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while being on (or off) treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as beneficial and even necessary to treat systems such as "not paying attention in class" said that,
    "20% of all children meet the clinical standards for having ADHD and/or depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side effects, the problem is that not enough kids are receiving necessary treatment.

    I'm sorry, but I can't accept that 1 in 5 of every child is mentally ill. I have to question the standards for illness in that regard.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 3 10:41:30 2023
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U (IIRC) on
    Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year old girl who
    stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while being on (or off)
    treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as beneficial
    and even necessary to treat systems such as "not paying attention in
    class" said that, "20% of all children meet the clinical standards
    for having ADHD and/or depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side effects, the
    problem is that not enough kids are receiving necessary treatment.

    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her meds. The
    clips I found didn't include your quote.

    I'm sorry, but I can't accept that 1 in 5 of every child is mentally
    ill. I have to question the standards for illness in that regard.

    You would have accepted this without question if you could blame
    lockdowns, but, yes, you need to know what she means by "clinical
    standards."

    She is an expert on suicide prevention.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 19:47:59 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U (IIRC) on
    Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year old girl who
    stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while being on (or off) treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as beneficial
    and even necessary to treat systems such as "not paying attention in class" said that, "20% of all children meet the clinical standards
    for having ADHD and/or depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side effects, the problem is that not enough kids are receiving necessary treatment.
    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her meds.

    With doctor approval though a question was raised later if the meds (they never specified) had some withdrawal like symptoms.

    The
    clips I found didn't include your quote.

    Can't say it was a quote but the context and meaning are accurately conveyed.



    I'm sorry, but I can't accept that 1 in 5 of every child is mentally
    ill. I have to question the standards for illness in that regard.
    You would have accepted this without question if you could blame
    lockdowns,

    BS...that's just a lame dodge claiming some mind reading ability.
    Just fuck off....you mental wimp.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 4 14:34:25 2023
    On 6/3/23 9:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U (IIRC) on
    Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year old girl who
    stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while being on (or off)
    treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as beneficial
    and even necessary to treat systems such as "not paying attention in
    class" said that, "20% of all children meet the clinical standards
    for having ADHD and/or depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side effects, the
    problem is that not enough kids are receiving necessary treatment.
    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her meds.

    With doctor approval though a question was raised later if the meds (they never
    specified) had some withdrawal like symptoms.

    The drug was specified: Intuniv, "a non-stimulant treatment for ADHD."
    Look at 1:50 into the expert's segment.

    The clips I found didn't include your quote.

    Can't say it was a quote but the context and meaning are accurately conveyed.

    Except if it's not 1-in-5, what is it? 1-in-10 seems quite believable...
    CDC says 1-in-6.

    I'm sorry, but I can't accept that 1 in 5 of every child is mentally
    ill. I have to question the standards for illness in that regard.
    You would have accepted this without question if you could blame
    lockdowns,

    BS...that's just a lame dodge claiming some mind reading ability.

    No, it's an educated guess based on your constant posting.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 14:18:55 2023
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U (IIRC) on
    Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year old girl who
    stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while being on (or off)
    treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as beneficial
    and even necessary to treat systems such as "not paying attention in
    class" said that, "20% of all children meet the clinical standards
    for having ADHD and/or depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side effects, the >>> problem is that not enough kids are receiving necessary treatment.
    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her meds.

    With doctor approval though a question was raised later if the meds (they never
    specified) had some withdrawal like symptoms.
    The drug was specified: Intuniv, "a non-stimulant treatment for ADHD."
    Look at 1:50 into the expert's segment.

    It's irrelevant to my point.


    The clips I found didn't include your quote.

    Can't say it was a quote but the context and meaning are accurately conveyed.
    Except if it's not 1-in-5, what is it? 1-in-10 seems quite believable...
    CDC says 1-in-6.

    What does that say about our "healthy" society that 1 in 10 of our children are mentally ill and need treatment?

    It's BS. Kids simply don't always and really even rarely behave the way you want them to.
    Doesn't make them sick.

    ScottW


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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 21:02:27 2023
    What does that say about our "healthy" society that 1 in 10 of our children are mentally ill and need treatment?

    That's been a constant for a long time, children and adults.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 4 23:02:09 2023
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 9:02:28 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    What does that say about our "healthy" society that 1 in 10 of our children are mentally ill and need treatment?
    That's been a constant for a long time, children and adults.

    That's what they tell us. I still say BS.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 5 09:58:14 2023
    On 6/4/23 4:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U
    (IIRC) on Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year
    old girl who stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while
    being on (or off) treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as
    beneficial and even necessary to treat systems such as "not
    paying attention in class" said that, "20% of all children
    meet the clinical standards for having ADHD and/or
    depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side
    effects, the problem is that not enough kids are receiving
    necessary treatment.
    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her
    meds.

    With doctor approval though a question was raised later if the
    meds (they never specified) had some withdrawal like symptoms.
    The drug was specified: Intuniv, "a non-stimulant treatment for
    ADHD." Look at 1:50 into the expert's segment.

    It's irrelevant to my point.

    It's relevant to your ability to accurately report what you heard and
    accept correction when a mistake is brought to your attention.

    The clips I found didn't include your quote.

    Can't say it was a quote but the context and meaning are
    accurately conveyed.
    Except if it's not 1-in-5, what is it? 1-in-10 seems quite
    believable... CDC says 1-in-6.

    What does that say about our "healthy" society that 1 in 10 of our
    children are mentally ill and need treatment?

    It's one in six. It says structure needs to be in place to diagnose and
    treat problems appropriately.

    It's BS. Kids simply don't always and really even rarely behave the
    way you want them to. Doesn't make them sick.

    You're equating medical diagnoses with "don't behave the way you want."

    https://www.cdc.gov/childrensmentalhealth/features/school-aged-mental-health-in-communities.html

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 19:38:38 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 10:58:18 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/4/23 4:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:41:35 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/3/23 9:31 AM, ScottW wrote:
    Listening to a professor of psychology from Cambridge U
    (IIRC) on Cuomo as they discuss the tragic case of a 12 year
    old girl who stabbed and killed her 9 year old brother while
    being on (or off) treatment for ADHD.

    They psychologist...in defending the use of medication as
    beneficial and even necessary to treat systems such as "not
    paying attention in class" said that, "20% of all children
    meet the clinical standards for having ADHD and/or
    depression".

    Therefore, the problem is not that some children are being
    overmedicated with drugs with potentially dangerous side
    effects, the problem is that not enough kids are receiving
    necessary treatment.
    The comments were in the context of a girl who went off her
    meds.

    With doctor approval though a question was raised later if the
    meds (they never specified) had some withdrawal like symptoms.
    The drug was specified: Intuniv, "a non-stimulant treatment for
    ADHD." Look at 1:50 into the expert's segment.

    It's irrelevant to my point.
    It's relevant to your ability to accurately report what you heard and
    accept correction when a mistake is brought to your attention.
    The clips I found didn't include your quote.

    Can't say it was a quote but the context and meaning are
    accurately conveyed.
    Except if it's not 1-in-5, what is it? 1-in-10 seems quite
    believable... CDC says 1-in-6.

    What does that say about our "healthy" society that 1 in 10 of our children are mentally ill and need treatment?
    It's one in six. It says structure needs to be in place to diagnose and treat problems appropriately.
    It's BS. Kids simply don't always and really even rarely behave the
    way you want them to. Doesn't make them sick.
    You're equating medical diagnoses with "don't behave the way you want."

    https://www.cdc.gov/childrensmentalhealth/features/school-aged-mental-health-in-communities.html

    medical diagnosis is based on biological necessities.
    Not inherent mood.

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