• Solar panels can't take the heat

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 09:46:01 2023
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?

    One unit at Uniper’s Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal power plant in Nottinghamshire started producing electricity for the first time in weeks on Monday morning, while another coal-powered plant was warmed up in case it was needed by the early afternoon.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 10:03:18 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 14 11:53:44 2023
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?

    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 14 12:37:03 2023
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.

    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since
    you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the
    demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 11:55:23 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:37:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the
    country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost?

    and you can say that about gas and coal. Lets go clean coal and reduce our costs.
    China has the right idea.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 14:36:27 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:37:06 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the
    country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost?

    and what if shortages of critical materials like silver makes increased demand skyrocket costs?

    Your blue sky is raining.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jun 15 09:13:59 2023
    On 6/14/23 4:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:37:06 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of
    energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was
    almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite
    temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large
    parts of the country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every
    degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency
    is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree.
    Since you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if
    increasing the demand for panels creates greater economies of
    scale, reducing the cost?

    and what if shortages of critical materials like silver makes
    increased demand skyrocket costs?

    Your blue sky is raining.

    It's the same sky as yours. Show the loss of efficiency raises cost so
    much as to render solar power uncompetitive.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 15 09:12:13 2023
    On 6/14/23 1:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:37:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the
    country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since
    you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the
    demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost?

    and you can say that about gas and coal. Lets go clean coal and reduce our costs.
    China has the right idea.

    No, even China is planning to reduce coal. And gas and coal? Propped up
    by subsidy:

    https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/06/15/trillions-wasted-on-subsidies-could-help-address-climate-change

    The Report available here:

    https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/climatechange/publication/detox-development

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 15 11:25:00 2023
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:12:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 1:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:37:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the
    country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since
    you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the >> demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost?

    and you can say that about gas and coal. Lets go clean coal and reduce our costs.
    China has the right idea.
    No, even China is planning to reduce coal.

    By building 900 instead of 1000

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 15 13:35:27 2023
    On 6/15/23 1:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:12:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 1:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 1:37:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 12:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 11:46 AM, ScottW wrote:
    High temperatures over the weekend also reduced the amount of energy generated from solar panels. Output on Sunday was almost a third lower than a week earlier, despite temperatures climbing above 30 degrees celsius across large parts of the
    country.

    Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

    So what to do?
    Install more solar panels to replace the reduced capacity.

    and the lower cost of solar goes.....poof.
    By "poof," you mean goes up by 0.5 percentage points per degree. Since >>>> you're just blue skying the economics, so can I: what if increasing the >>>> demand for panels creates greater economies of scale, reducing the cost? >>>
    and you can say that about gas and coal. Lets go clean coal and reduce our costs.
    China has the right idea.
    No, even China is planning to reduce coal.

    By building 900 instead of 1000

    So China gets it wrong both ways. Too bad.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 13:45:38 2023

    By building 900 instead of 1000
    So China gets it wrong both ways. Too bad.

    Yes! And that is why we shouldn't be shooting ourselves in the foot over a fool's errand.

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