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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 15:48:01 2023
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government officials involved in investigating the origins of
    COVID-19. The Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June, potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s
    Substack project.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jun 14 16:46:30 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 6:48:03 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government officials involved in investigating the origins of
    COVID-19. The Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June, potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s
    Substack project.

    ScottW

    Maybe they went to the wet market for lunch break and ordered bat soup.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jun 15 09:27:10 2023
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government
    officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The
    Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to
    Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.

    Come back when you have a credible source.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 15 11:08:27 2023
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    he has them right here. Two out of three, the one relatively unknown.

    The only "reliable source" you would accept is one
    from your own echo chamber, someone like
    Mr. Reliable Source, himself, Brian Stelter.
    Not available? Rachel Maddow will do in a pinch, if that's who you would choose to pinch.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jun 15 13:29:14 2023
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than
    three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, >>> claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government
    officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The
    Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly
    classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to
    Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    he has them right here. Two out of three, the one relatively unknown.

    You're mistaking the "journalists" for the sources and anonymous "US
    government officials" have not proven credible in this context. You'll
    remember the fact-free intelligence assessment from a while back.

    Also, Shellenberger and Taibbi are responsible for the "Twitter Files"
    claims debunked by Twitter's own lawyers:

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.387133/gov.uscourts.cand.387133.195.0.pdf

    "Moreover, the new evidence suffers from the same defects as the already-dismissed allegations in the Amended Complaint. Specifically, Plaintiffs once again put forth a “grab-bag” of communications between various government actors and Twitter employees, Dkt. 165 at 6, which
    once again do not mention any of Twitter’s content-moderation actions
    with regard to their Twitter accounts. Plaintiffs’ theory of relief
    appears to be that any communication between governmental actors and
    Twitter employees transforms Twitter into a state actor. That theory has
    been resoundingly rejected both by this Court and recent precedential
    Ninth Circuit decisions."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 10:09:54 2023
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than
    three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack,
    claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government
    officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The
    Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly
    classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to >>> Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    he has them right here. Two out of three, the one relatively unknown.

    You're mistaking the "journalists" for the sources

    Actually, it was you that did that in your post, and i was about to call you out for that.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 16 13:53:55 2023
    On 6/16/23 12:09 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than
    three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, >>>>> claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government
    officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The
    Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly >>>>> classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to >>>>> Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    he has them right here. Two out of three, the one relatively unknown.

    You're mistaking the "journalists" for the sources

    Actually, it was you that did that in your post, and i was about to call you out for that.

    No. Your mistake: "*The report*, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, *claims* Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and
    Yan Zhu are “patients zero” for COVID-19, *citing anonymous U.S.
    government officials* involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19."

    "The report claims,... citing... anonymous U.S. government officials."

    Not the journalists, nor Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu.

    That said, anonymous U.S. government officials have more cred than
    Taibbi and Shellenberger.

    Fun fact: the usage "Patient Zero" is based on a misreading of the
    letter 'O.' Randy Shilts wasn't perfect.

    https://macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-typo-created-a-scapegoat-for-the-aids-epidemic/

    When Darrow published his report, Patient 57 was renamed Patient O, with
    the letter “O” standing for “Out-of-California.” Somewhere along the paper trail, the “O” got confused with a zero. Adding to the confusion
    was the fact that Dugas was the study’s “original” patient, placed at
    the centre of the cluster diagram, between patients from L.A. and New
    York. Darrow stressed that there was no evidence that Dugas had infected
    the others—never mind that he’d introduced AIDS to North America as
    Patient Zero. But that was the sensational claim made in 1987 by San
    Francisco journalist Randy Shilts in his bestseller about the AIDS
    epidemic, And the Band Played On. Cementing Dugas’ legacy as a monstrous degenerate, the book provoked a spate of lurid headlines, and later a
    cheesy HBO mini-series. It was a textbook case of “fake news” that “went viral” before either term was even coined.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 13:39:21 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:53:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 12:09 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than
    three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag. >>>>>
    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack,
    claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government >>>>> officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The
    Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly >>>>> classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to >>>>> Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    he has them right here. Two out of three, the one relatively unknown.

    You're mistaking the "journalists" for the sources

    Actually, it was you that did that in your post, and i was about to call you out for that.
    No. Your mistake: "*The report*, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack, *claims* Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are “patients zero” for COVID-19, *citing anonymous U.S. government officials* involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19."

    "The report claims,... citing... anonymous U.S. government officials."

    Not the journalists, nor Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu.

    That said, anonymous U.S. government officials have more cred than
    Taibbi and Shellenberger.

    Fun fact: the usage "Patient Zero" is based on a misreading of the
    letter 'O.' Randy Shilts wasn't perfect.

    https://macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-typo-created-a-scapegoat-for-the-aids-epidemic/

    When Darrow published his report, Patient 57 was renamed Patient O, with
    the letter “O” standing for “Out-of-California.” Somewhere along the paper trail, the “O” got confused with a zero. Adding to the confusion was the fact that Dugas was the study’s “original” patient, placed at the centre of the cluster diagram, between patients from L.A. and New
    York. Darrow stressed that there was no evidence that Dugas had infected
    the others—never mind that he’d introduced AIDS to North America as Patient Zero. But that was the sensational claim made in 1987 by San Francisco journalist Randy Shilts in his bestseller about the AIDS
    epidemic, And the Band Played On. Cementing Dugas’ legacy as a monstrous degenerate, the book provoked a spate of lurid headlines, and later a
    cheesy HBO mini-series. It was a textbook case of “fake news” that “went
    viral” before either term was even coined.

    An irrelevant waste of time. Life is too short for you to go off topic.
    You could have instead benefitted following some blind links and learning something new.

    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person divulging information to the reporter

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jun 16 18:20:25 2023
    On 6/16/23 3:39 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:53:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 12:09 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than
    three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag. >>>>>>>
    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack,
    claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government >>>>>>> officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The >>>>>>> Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly >>>>>>> classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June,
    potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to >>>>>>> Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.

    Fun fact: the usage "Patient Zero" is based on a misreading of the
    letter 'O.' Randy Shilts wasn't perfect.

    https://macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-typo-created-a-scapegoat-for-the-aids-epidemic/

    When Darrow published his report, Patient 57 was renamed Patient O, with
    the letter “O” standing for “Out-of-California.” Somewhere along the >> paper trail, the “O” got confused with a zero...

    An irrelevant waste of time. Life is too short for you to go off topic.

    You all cited "patients zero," making it on topic.

    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person divulging information to the reporter

    Yes, in this case "anonymous U.S. government officials."

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 23:09:07 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:20:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 3:39 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:53:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 12:09 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 2:29:18 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/15/23 1:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 6/14/23 5:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    The first three patients to come down with COVID-19 more than >>>>>>> three-and-a-half years ago were lab researchers at the Wuhan
    Institute of Virology (WIV), according to a new report from
    journalists Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag. >>>>>>>
    The report, published Tuesday on Shellenberger’s “Public” Substack,
    claims Wuhan lab researchers Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Yan Zhu are
    “patients zero” for COVID-19, citing anonymous U.S. government >>>>>>> officials involved in investigating the origins of COVID-19. The >>>>>>> Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release formerly >>>>>>> classified material on the origins of COVID-19 later in June, >>>>>>> potentially including the names of the three scientists, according to
    Public and Racket News, Taibbi’s Substack project.
    Come back when you have a credible source.
    Fun fact: the usage "Patient Zero" is based on a misreading of the
    letter 'O.' Randy Shilts wasn't perfect.

    https://macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-typo-created-a-scapegoat-for-the-aids-epidemic/

    When Darrow published his report, Patient 57 was renamed Patient O, with >> the letter “O” standing for “Out-of-California.” Somewhere along the
    paper trail, the “O” got confused with a zero...

    An irrelevant waste of time. Life is too short for you to go off topic.
    You all cited "patients zero," making it on topic.

    The topic isn't language, spelling, or typos.

    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person divulging information to the reporter
    Yes, in this case "anonymous U.S. government officials."

    that is about as usual as it gets, on either side.
    What is goog for the goose, is good for the gander, assuming
    geese aren't transsexuals.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 09:47:11 2023
    On 6/17/23 1:09 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 7:20:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/16/23 3:39 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:53:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

    Come back when you have a credible source.
    Fun fact: the usage "Patient Zero" is based on a misreading of
    the letter 'O.' Randy Shilts wasn't perfect.

    https://macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-typo-created-a-scapegoat-for-the-aids-epidemic/


    When Darrow published his report, Patient 57 was renamed Patient O, with >>>> the letter “O” standing for “Out-of-California.” Somewhere
    along the paper trail, the “O” got confused with a zero...

    An irrelevant waste of time. Life is too short for you to go off
    topic.
    You all cited "patients zero," making it on topic.

    The topic isn't language, spelling, or typos.

    If you bring up "Patient Zero," I can comment, with a notice of "Fun
    Fact" to show the digression to aid the reader.

    And if I commented on all typos, I'd be even more boring.

    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person
    divulging information to the reporter
    Yes, in this case "anonymous U.S. government officials."

    that is about as usual as it gets, on either side. What is goog for
    the goose, is good for the gander, assuming geese aren't
    transsexuals.

    Thank you for giving up by both-sidesing it.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

    "The IC assesses that information indicating that several WIV
    researchers reported symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in autumn 2019 is
    not diagnostic of the pandemic’s origins. Even if confirmed, hospital admission alone would not be diagnostic of COVID-19 infection."

    Shellenberger's previous anonymous sources say the Pentagon is hiding
    evidence of alien spacecraft.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 15:05:38 2023
    O
    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person
    divulging information to the reporter
    Yes, in this case "anonymous U.S. government officials."

    that is about as usual as it gets, on either side. What is goog for
    the goose, is good for the gander, assuming geese aren't
    transsexuals.
    Thank you for giving up by both-sidesing it.


    That is NOT giving up. That is being fair, being balance, and being REAL.
    Your myopic one-sidedness is being just a partisan hack, married
    to an ideological agenda, and not seeing the complete picture.

    Shellenberger's previous anonymous sources say the Pentagon is hiding evidence of alien spacecraft.

    That is probably true.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 17:47:14 2023
    On 6/17/23 5:05 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    O
    The 'media' is where it is reported, the 'source' is the person
    divulging information to the reporter
    Yes, in this case "anonymous U.S. government officials."

    that is about as usual as it gets, on either side. What is goog for
    the goose, is good for the gander, assuming geese aren't
    transsexuals.
    Thank you for giving up by both-sidesing it.


    That is NOT giving up. That is being fair, being balance, and being REAL.

    No, it's unfair and unreal because you're projecting your story's faults
    onto any story with anonymous sources.

    Your myopic one-sidedness is being just a partisan hack, married
    to an ideological agenda, and not seeing the complete picture.

    I'm way ahead of you on this particular complete picture. Go ahead and
    check. I kept an open mind for months, if not years, until sufficient
    science emerged to support the already enormously likely zoonotic
    transfer hypothesis.

    And if real evidence to the contrary comes out, I'll accept it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:15:07 2023

    That is NOT giving up. That is being fair, being balance, and being REAL.
    No, it's unfair and unreal because you're projecting your story's faults
    onto any story with anonymous sources.

    Good Lordy!!!!!!!!!!!
    You're the one incessantly complaining about anonymous sources.


    Your myopic one-sidedness is being just a partisan hack, married
    to an ideological agenda, and not seeing the complete picture.

    I'm way ahead of you on this particular complete picture. Go ahead and
    check. I kept an open mind for months, if not years, until sufficient
    science emerged to support the already enormously likely zoonotic
    transfer hypothesis.

    Open minded?
    You won't follow blind links to explore any sources
    that are not in your echo chamber.


    And if real evidence to the contrary comes out, I'll accept it.

    No Russian collusion
    Hunter's laptop
    uselessness of COVID masking
    negative effects of COVID lockdowns.
    Biden corruption with numerous overseas payments
    and now Wuhan lab leak

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sat Jun 17 18:41:29 2023
    On 6/17/23 6:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:


    That is NOT giving up. That is being fair, being balance, and being REAL. >> No, it's unfair and unreal because you're projecting your story's faults
    onto any story with anonymous sources.

    Good Lordy!!!!!!!!!!!
    You're the one incessantly complaining about anonymous sources.

    No, that's Scott. I cited several stories with anonymous sources recently.

    Your myopic one-sidedness is being just a partisan hack, married
    to an ideological agenda, and not seeing the complete picture.

    I'm way ahead of you on this particular complete picture. Go ahead and
    check. I kept an open mind for months, if not years, until sufficient
    science emerged to support the already enormously likely zoonotic
    transfer hypothesis.

    Open minded?

    Yes.

    You won't follow blind links to explore any sources
    that are not in your echo chamber.

    goatse anybody?

    And if real evidence to the contrary comes out, I'll accept it.

    No Russian collusion

    I'm much better informed than you on that.

    Hunter's laptop

    So?

    uselessness of COVID masking

    You can keep your anti-science.

    negative effects of COVID lockdowns.

    I've barely mentioned lockdowns, let alone deny negative effects.

    Biden corruption with numerous overseas payments

    So not proven.

    and now Wuhan lab leak

    I accept the transparent science, not the whispered conspiracy theories.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:46:01 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    Biden corruption with numerous overseas payments
    So not proven.

    https://www.gocomics.com/mikeluckovich/2023/06/16

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