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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 15:21:41 2023
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top

    There is a nefarious group that calls itself The 65 Project that has as its goal to intimidate lawyers into not representing Trump or anyone associated with him. They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers. When these threats first
    emerged, I wrote an op-ed offering to defend pro bono any lawyers that The 65 Project goes after. So The 65 Project immediately went after me, and contrived a charge based on a case in which I was a constitutional consultant, but designed to send a
    message to potential Trump lawyers: if you defend Trump or anyone associated with him, we will target you and find something to charge you with. The lawyers to whom I spoke are fully aware of this threat -- and they are taking it seriously.
    ...
    Good lawyers, however, generally welcome challenges, especially in high-profile cases. This case is different: the threats to the lawyers are greater than at any time since McCarthyism. Nor is the comparison to McCarthyism a stretch. I recall during the
    1950s how civil liberties lawyers, many of whom despised communism, were cancelled, and attacked if they dared to represent people accused of being communists. Even civil liberties organizations stayed away from such cases, for fear that it would affect
    their fundraising and general standing in the community. It may even be worse today, as I can attest from my own personal experiences, having defended Trump against an unconstitutional impeachment in 2020. I was cancelled by my local library, community
    center and synagogue. Old friends refused to speak to me and threatened others who did. My wife, who disagreed with my decision to defend Trump, was also ostracized. There were physical threats to my safety.

    Our system of justice is based on the John Adams standard: he too was attacked for defending the British soldiers accused of the Boston Massacre, but his representation of these accused killers now serves as a symbol of the 6th Amendment right to counsel.
    That symbol has now been endangered by The 65 Project and others who are participating in its McCarthyite chilling of lawyers who have been asked to represent Trump and those associated with him.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 17 15:34:19 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top

    There is a nefarious group that calls itself The 65 Project that has as its goal to intimidate lawyers into not representing Trump or anyone associated with him. They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers. When these threats
    first emerged, I wrote an op-ed offering to defend pro bono any lawyers that The 65 Project goes after. So The 65 Project immediately went after me, and contrived a charge based on a case in which I was a constitutional consultant, but designed to send a
    message to potential Trump lawyers: if you defend Trump or anyone associated with him, we will target you and find something to charge you with. The lawyers to whom I spoke are fully aware of this threat -- and they are taking it seriously.
    ...
    Good lawyers, however, generally welcome challenges, especially in high-profile cases. This case is different: the threats to the lawyers are greater than at any time since McCarthyism. Nor is the comparison to McCarthyism a stretch. I recall during
    the 1950s how civil liberties lawyers, many of whom despised communism, were cancelled, and attacked if they dared to represent people accused of being communists. Even civil liberties organizations stayed away from such cases, for fear that it would
    affect their fundraising and general standing in the community. It may even be worse today, as I can attest from my own personal experiences, having defended Trump against an unconstitutional impeachment in 2020. I was cancelled by my local library,
    community center and synagogue. Old friends refused to speak to me and threatened others who did. My wife, who disagreed with my decision to defend Trump, was also ostracized. There were physical threats to my safety.

    Our system of justice is based on the John Adams standard: he too was attacked for defending the British soldiers accused of the Boston Massacre, but his representation of these accused killers now serves as a symbol of the 6th Amendment right to
    counsel. That symbol has now been endangered by The 65 Project and others who are participating in its McCarthyite chilling of lawyers who have been asked to represent Trump and those associated with him.

    ScottW

    More Banana Republic antics chilling political free expression.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:02:27 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:50:51 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    Cuz it has something to do with pole dancing on a cross.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Jun 17 17:50:47 2023
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:52:59 2023
    The Shmoo Sack o' Stupid Dogma blathered?

    More Banana Republic antics chilling political free expression.

    Remind us how you protested Dumpster's refusal to get rid of Gen. Flynn, vengeful persecutions of Strzok and Vintman, and utterly insane
    cries to lock Hillary up.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 16:57:40 2023
    I'm making a midyear resolution to remind Shmoodom once a week
    of the republigoons' horrendous hypocrisy.

    https://www.arcamax.com/politics/editorialcartoons/leejudge/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 18:00:40 2023
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jun 18 13:31:42 2023
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?

    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.

    More of a Giants fan...

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 12:59:12 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?
    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 16:15:17 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    A joke relies on humor.

    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of well-known gay slang.

    The word "top" is beyond Sacktard's comprehension because
    they are a bulbous pumpkin, lacking a top, a bottom, or sides.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Jun 18 17:38:30 2023
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?
    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.

    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of well-known gay slang.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 23:27:23 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?
    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss. >>

    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 19 09:16:08 2023
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top
    The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?
    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss. >>>>

    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of
    well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"

    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.

    None of them constituted a joke within your link.

    The joke was about the URL.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 08:39:14 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top >>>>>> The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets? >>>> I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of
    well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.
    The joke was about the URL.

    All I know is you care less about the constitution than a flop of a joke.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 19 12:18:53 2023
    On 6/19/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top >>>>>>>> The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets? >>>>>> I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss. >>>>>>

    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of
    well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.
    The joke was about the URL.

    All I know is you care less about the constitution than a flop of a joke.

    No, it's way funnier to ask how Dersh knows why Trump can't get a top.

    And when I want to discuss the Constitution, I don't go to Alan Dershowitz.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 20:13:22 2023
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top >>>>>>>> The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets? >>>>>> I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of >>>> well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.
    The joke was about the URL.

    All I know is you care less about the constitution than a flop of a joke


    No, it's way funnier to ask how Dersh knows why Trump can't get a top.


    A joke that needs to be explained three times is not much of a joke.

    And when I want to discuss the Constitution, I don't go to Alan Dershowitz.

    Of course not. You go to "Sticky Fingers" Toobin

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 20 09:41:50 2023
    On 6/19/23 10:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top >>>>>>>>>> The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets? >>>>>>>> I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of >>>>>> well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.
    The joke was about the URL.

    All I know is you care less about the constitution than a flop of a joke

    No, it's way funnier to ask how Dersh knows why Trump can't get a top.

    A joke that needs to be explained three times is not much of a joke.

    "That joke's stupid; I don't get it." Actual quote from back in the day.
    No, the joke wasn't a thing until you pushed back against it by
    professing your ignorance.

    And when I want to discuss the Constitution, I don't go to Alan Dershowitz.

    Of course not. You go to "Sticky Fingers" Toobin

    Who's that? Oh, Jeffrey. His wiki isn't flattering: I see he hasn't been
    on CNN for nearly a year so clearly not my "go to." Maybe this guy:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/who-is-j-michael-luttig-and-why-is-he-testifying-in-the-jan-6-hearings

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 12:45:38 2023
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:41:53 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 10:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:16:10 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/19/23 1:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/18/23 2:59 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:31:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/17/23 8:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/17/23 5:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://dersh.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-cannot-get-a-top >>>>>>>>>> The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence could explain it.

    That's the hill you want to die on? Where are your dodger's tickets?
    I see the joke relies on something outside of your knowledge. Your loss.


    A joke relies on humor.
    Yes, in this case a pun on the word 'top' that relies on awareness of >>>>>> well-known gay slang.

    various slang meanings for "top"
    This is hilarious. No, it's not about Cole Porter.
    None of them constituted a joke within your link.
    The joke was about the URL.

    All I know is you care less about the constitution than a flop of a joke

    No, it's way funnier to ask how Dersh knows why Trump can't get a top.

    A joke that needs to be explained three times is not much of a joke.
    "That joke's stupid; I don't get it." Actual quote from back in the day.
    No, the joke wasn't a thing until you pushed back against it by
    professing your ignorance.
    And when I want to discuss the Constitution, I don't go to Alan Dershowitz.

    Of course not. You go to "Sticky Fingers" Toobin
    Who's that? Oh, Jeffrey. His wiki isn't flattering: I see he hasn't been
    on CNN for nearly a year so clearly not my "go to." Maybe this guy:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/who-is-j-michael-luttig-and-why-is-he-testifying-in-the-jan-6-hearings


    you got one thing right, the "joke" wasn't a thing.

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