How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so irrelevant.
On 6/18/23 12:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so irrelevant.There are so many mass shooting in the US it would remarkable if there wasn't one on Juneteenth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-chicago-juneteenth-dead-injured-rcna89920
On 6/18/23 12:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so irrelevant.There are so many mass shooting in the US it would remarkable if there wasn't one on Juneteenth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-chicago-juneteenth-dead-injured-rcna89920
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:18:50 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/18/23 12:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.There are so many mass shooting in the US it would remarkable if there
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so
irrelevant.
wasn't one on Juneteenth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-chicago-juneteenth-dead-injured-rcna89920
suspect is a juvie. Already illegal for him to own or possess a gun
On 19/06/2023 5:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:18:50 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/18/23 12:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.There are so many mass shooting in the US it would remarkable if there
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so
irrelevant.
wasn't one on Juneteenth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-chicago-juneteenth-dead-injured-rcna89920
suspect is a juvie. Already illegal for him to own or possess a gun
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industry
and not the US population.
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industry
and not the US population.
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:09:42 AM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/06/2023 5:02 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 3:18:50 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/18/23 12:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
How to celebrate? Shoot somebody.There are so many mass shooting in the US it would remarkable if there >> wasn't one on Juneteenth.
https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/shooting-juneteenth-celebration-leaves-20-shot-1-dead-chicago-suburb
They quit commenting on who is shooting who....cuz that's just so
irrelevant.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-shooting-chicago-juneteenth-dead-injured-rcna89920
suspect is a juvie. Already illegal for him to own or possess a gun
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industryBS. Here's some latest polling.
and not the US population.
53% is not a strong enough majority to force significant change.
And if anyone put forward an Australia like gun control proposal....it would get a strong
"hell no" from a large majority.
You're just ignorant of the reality and resort to partisan blowhard BS as usual.
ScottW
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 4:09:42 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At
another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was
acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to
prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
No additional law will prevent the theft of a gun.
act. As far as private sales, I would agree that buyers should have to go through the same background checks, as is they bought it from a gun store. But that is just nibbling at the edges, and probably won't make
much difference in the stats, because that is not where the problem of criminal violence lies.
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by
Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industry
and not the US population.
The gun laws we already have, especially regarding use and possession,
are not enforced very well. and that is the fault of Democrat politicians running
the large US cities.
The gun laws we already have, especially regarding use and possession,
are not enforced very well. and that is the fault of Democrat politicians running
the large US cities.
On 20/06/2023 3:38 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 4:09:42 AM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At
another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was
acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to
prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
No additional law will prevent the theft of a gun.
**It can. The suite of gun laws enacted by Australia in 1997, included
the requirement that ALL firearms, when not in use, must be stored in an approved, locked container, separated from ammunition. This simple
expedient did three things:
* It prevented children from accessing firearms. Children shooting up
schools is unknown in Australia and anyone caught storing a firearm
outside an approved container (aka: Gun safe) will have their gun
ownership privileges revoked and their firearms confiscated.
* It dramatically reduced the incidence of firearms theft. By around
90%, in fact. Moreover, since every legal firearm is registered to a
specific owner, all owners will immediately report such a theft, as part
of their legal duty. Failure to so will incur penalties.
No additional law will prevent the theft of a gun.**It can. The suite of gun laws enacted by Australia in 1997, included
the requirement that ALL firearms, when not in use, must be stored in an approved, locked container, separated from ammunition. This simple
expedient did three things:
* It prevented children from accessing firearms. Children shooting up
schools is unknown in Australia and anyone caught storing a firearm
outside an approved container (aka: Gun safe) will have their gun
ownership privileges revoked and their firearms confiscated.
* It dramatically reduced the incidence of firearms theft. By around
90%, in fact. Moreover, since every legal firearm is registered to a
specific owner, all owners will immediately report such a theft, as part
of their legal duty. Failure to so will incur penalties.
That theft is already an illegal
act. As far as private sales, I would agree that buyers should have to go through the same background checks, as is they bought it from a gun store. But that is just nibbling at the edges, and probably won't make**It is a big part of the problem.
much difference in the stats, because that is not where the problem of criminal violence lies.
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by
Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industry
and not the US population.
The gun laws we already have, especially regarding use and possession,
are not enforced very well. and that is the fault of Democrat politicians running
the large US cities.
No additional law will prevent the theft of a gun.**It can. The suite of gun laws enacted by Australia in 1997, included
the requirement that ALL firearms, when not in use, must be stored in an
approved, locked container, separated from ammunition. This simple
expedient did three things:
* It prevented children from accessing firearms. Children shooting up
schools is unknown in Australia and anyone caught storing a firearm
outside an approved container (aka: Gun safe) will have their gun
ownership privileges revoked and their firearms confiscated.
* It dramatically reduced the incidence of firearms theft. By around
90%, in fact. Moreover, since every legal firearm is registered to a
specific owner, all owners will immediately report such a theft, as part
of their legal duty. Failure to so will incur penalties.
Criminals are what they are. Criminals. They don't obey such laws.
They are not going to properly house their firearms until their next armed robbery.
That theft is already an illegal
act. As far as private sales, I would agree that buyers should have to go >>> through the same background checks, as is they bought it from a gun store. >>> But that is just nibbling at the edges, and probably won't make**It is a big part of the problem.
much difference in the stats, because that is not where the problem of
criminal violence lies.
No. It is not. Most gun violence is done by repeat criminals.
They don't acquire their guns that way,
Good, strong, cohesive gun laws in the US are continually thwarted by
Republican politicians, who act for the NRA and the firearms industry
and not the US population.
The gun laws we already have, especially regarding use and possession,
are not enforced very well. and that is the fault of Democrat politicians running
the large US cities.
Laws that won't solve the problem.
* The 1996 gun control laws seems to have worked very well over here.
Why do you think they won't work in the US?
**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At
another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to
prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
On 6/20/23 12:16 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
* The 1996 gun control laws seems to have worked very well over here.The 1994 assault weapons ban, limited as it was, was effective:
Why do you think they won't work in the US?
https://theconversation.com/did-the-assault-weapons-ban-of-1994-bring-down-mass-shootings-heres-what-the-data-tells-us-184430
During the 1994-2004 ban:
In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number
of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual
number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre – the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the
ban – the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both
mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception.
From 2004 onward:
The data shows an almost immediate – and steep – rise in mass shooting deaths in the years after the assault weapons ban expired in 2004.
Breaking the data into absolute numbers, between 2004 and 2017 – the
last year of our analysis – the average number of yearly deaths
attributed to mass shootings was 25, compared with 5.3 during the
10-year tenure of the ban and 7.2 in the years leading up to the
prohibition on assault weapons.
Saving hundreds of lives
We calculated that the risk of a person in the U.S. dying in a mass
shooting was 70% lower during the period in which the assault weapons
ban was active. The proportion of overall gun homicides resulting from
mass shootings was also down, with nine fewer mass-shooting-related fatalities per 10,000 shooting deaths.
Scientific version:
https://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abstract/2019/01000/Changes_in_US_mass_shooting_deaths_associated_with.2.aspx
On Mo
v**At some point in it's life, that gun was sold as a legal object. At
another point, it was sold by (or stolen from) it's legal owner. It was
acquired by a person who should not have it. US gun laws do little to
prevent such an occurrence. Australia's gun laws do.
gun laws make certain sales illegal, however, they do not PREVENT them.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time. Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being "known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
On 21/06/2023 9:16 am, Fascist Flea wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time. Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being "known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
**Of course. Crazy criminals do not stay on the streets for long.
On 21/06/2023 9:16 am, Fascist Flea wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time. Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being "known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
**Of course. Crazy criminals do not stay on the streets for long.
--
On 21/06/2023 9:16 am, Fascist Flea wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time. Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being "known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
**Of course. Crazy criminals do not stay on the streets for long.
--
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 7:18:09 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 21/06/2023 9:16 am, Fascist Flea wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:**Of course. Crazy criminals do not stay on the streets for long.
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being
"known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
--
That is just a truly insane thing to say.
This type of rap sheet is very common in AMerican cities,
https://www.klfy.com/local/accused-murder-suspect-has-long-rap-sheet/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/local-bully-with-long-rap-sheet-arrested-in-fatal-sucker-punch-mugging-of-man
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2017/05/02/man-suspected-shooting-paramedics-had-long-rap-sheet/101190024/
YOU GUYS DOWN UNDER EVEN HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
https://www.smh.com.au/national/queensland/long-rap-sheet-reveals-a-hardened-crim-as-manhunt-continues-20180628-p4zofe.html
On 21/06/2023 10:57 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 7:18:09 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 21/06/2023 9:16 am, Fascist Flea wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:**Of course. Crazy criminals do not stay on the streets for long.
I believe that is true. I read a statistic about that once upon a time. >>> Non-insane gun offenders are wary of ANY encounter with the law.
Habitual Criminals habitually do criminal things.**A common and oft-cited misconception. Habitual criminals do not
violate all laws. They will violate as few laws as possible.
They avoid traffic infractions like the plague. The experience of being >>> "known to the police" is a reminder to stay out of their sight as much as possible.
--
That is just a truly insane thing to say.**Nope. Career criminals avoid breaking laws that don't benefit their
bottom line. That is just logic and common sense. Crazy criminals are unpredictable, which is why restricting gun ownership and the buying and selling of firearms is good public policy.
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