but if you woke slime's had kids you'd be f'ing up their lil minds with tales of gender choice.
So we're blessed you have none.
ScottW
On 19/06/2023 7:38 am, ScottW wrote:
but if you woke slime's had kids you'd be f'ing up their lil minds with tales of gender choice.
So we're blessed you have none.
ScottW**Then there's this guy:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-charged-murder-3-young-sons-found-shot-surviving-daughter-fle-rcna89704
Thanks to lax US gun laws, that guy gets no Father's Day stuff this year.
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:30:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/06/2023 7:38 am, ScottW wrote:
but if you woke slime's had kids you'd be f'ing up their lil minds with tales of gender choice.**Then there's this guy:
So we're blessed you have none.
ScottW
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-charged-murder-3-young-sons-found-shot-surviving-daughter-fle-rcna89704
Thanks to lax US gun laws, that guy gets no Father's Day stuff this year.
Blame the father, not the gun.
There is one gun death per every 35,000 guns.
350 million guns in America
349,999,999 other guns did not kill these children.
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.
On 19/06/2023 4:17 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:30:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/06/2023 7:38 am, ScottW wrote:
but if you woke slime's had kids you'd be f'ing up their lil minds with tales of gender choice.**Then there's this guy:
So we're blessed you have none.
ScottW
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-charged-murder-3-young-sons-found-shot-surviving-daughter-fle-rcna89704
Thanks to lax US gun laws, that guy gets no Father's Day stuff this year. >>
Blame the father, not the gun.**Tell me, PRECISELY where I blamed the gun.
I will spell it out to you once more:
US gun laws are the problem. They are inadequate, weak and haphazardly applied. And, the reason they are so hopeless and you are very happy to
see 10,000 of your fellow Americans murdered each year via bullets, is
due to the fact that the NRA controls the Republican Party.
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.**Indeed. However, it seems clear that he should not have access to
firearms.
--
I will spell it out to you once more:
US gun laws are the problem. They are inadequate, weak and haphazardly
applied. And, the reason they are so hopeless and you are very happy to
see 10,000 of your fellow Americans murdered each year via bullets, is
due to the fact that the NRA controls the Republican Party.
The NRA does not control the party.
there are varied interests with various agendas influencing the party
Purchase laws are strict and enforced. Private sakes can
be tightened, but that is nobbling around the edges.
350 million guns are already on the streets.
The biggest issue is criminals using guns.
Possession laws are strict, but not always
enforced aswe ll as they should be.
Blame liberal Democrat run city goverments, and ultra liberal Democrat do nothing prosecutors
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.**Indeed. However, it seems clear that he should not have access to
firearms.
--
How do you tell that before the fact?
all you have is hindsight.
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:13:50 AM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 19/06/2023 4:17 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 6:30:30 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Tell me, PRECISELY where I blamed the gun.
On 19/06/2023 7:38 am, ScottW wrote:
but if you woke slime's had kids you'd be f'ing up their lil minds with tales of gender choice.**Then there's this guy:
So we're blessed you have none.
ScottW
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-charged-murder-3-young-sons-found-shot-surviving-daughter-fle-rcna89704
Thanks to lax US gun laws, that guy gets no Father's Day stuff this year. >>>>
Blame the father, not the gun.
Thanks for explaining why you have no children.
ScottW
On 20/06/2023 4:39 am, Art Sackman wrote:
I will spell it out to you once more:
US gun laws are the problem. They are inadequate, weak and haphazardly
applied. And, the reason they are so hopeless and you are very happy to >> see 10,000 of your fellow Americans murdered each year via bullets, is
due to the fact that the NRA controls the Republican Party.
The NRA does not control the party.**It controls the party, completely, WRT gun laws:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35261394
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3511518-nra-contributions-underscore-grip-in-gop/
there are varied interests with various agendas influencing the party**Indeed. There is also this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group
Purchase laws are strict and enforced. Private sakes can**So you say. I contend that you are wrong. Private sales must be
be tightened, but that is nobbling around the edges.
strictly monitored.
350 million guns are already on the streets.**Sure. And that is a major problem that must be tackled. However, I
recall the words spoken by JFK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon
It was an inspirational and dramatic speech. NASA was, rightly,
horrified. However, with sufficient funds and talent, NASA pulled it off.
When the US population is unified towards a specific goal, it has been
shown to be remarkably capable. Divided, as it is, along tribal,
political lines (Putin/Trump did much of the damage), it will fail.
It CAN be done and it SHOULD be done. Australia did it. I guess that
means Australia is a better, more capable nation than the US.
The biggest issue is criminals using guns.**Tell that to the relatives of those killed in Las Vegas, Sandy Hook
and all the other places. Take away the ease that violent people can
obtain firearms and part of the problem will begin to be solved.
Possession laws are strict, but not always**That MAY be part of the problem, but you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence to support this claim. Let me ask you: When the woman
enforced aswe ll as they should be.
Blame liberal Democrat run city goverments, and ultra liberal Democrat do nothing prosecutors
who supplied firearms to the Columbine killers was arrested, who let her off?
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.**Indeed. However, it seems clear that he should not have access to
firearms.
--
How do you tell that before the fact?**Here in Australia, there was checks and balances that must be adhered
to, before a person can obtain a firearms license. Without a license, a legal firearm cannot be purchased. Part of the those checks involves a police investigation of domestic violence and other violent acts, perpetrated by the applicant. It's not perfect, but it does prevent a
large number of people from easily buying guns.
all you have is hindsight.**Wrong.
--
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/06/2023 4:39 am, Art Sackman wrote:
**It controls the party, completely, WRT gun laws:
I will spell it out to you once more:
US gun laws are the problem. They are inadequate, weak and haphazardly >>>> applied. And, the reason they are so hopeless and you are very happy to >>>> see 10,000 of your fellow Americans murdered each year via bullets, is >>>> due to the fact that the NRA controls the Republican Party.
The NRA does not control the party.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35261394
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3511518-nra-contributions-underscore-grip-in-gop/
there are varied interests with various agendas influencing the party**Indeed. There is also this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group
**So you say. I contend that you are wrong. Private sales must be
Purchase laws are strict and enforced. Private sakes can
be tightened, but that is nobbling around the edges.
strictly monitored.
350 million guns are already on the streets.**Sure. And that is a major problem that must be tackled. However, I
recall the words spoken by JFK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon
It was an inspirational and dramatic speech. NASA was, rightly,
horrified. However, with sufficient funds and talent, NASA pulled it off.
When the US population is unified towards a specific goal, it has been
shown to be remarkably capable. Divided, as it is, along tribal,
political lines (Putin/Trump did much of the damage), it will fail.
It CAN be done and it SHOULD be done. Australia did it. I guess that
means Australia is a better, more capable nation than the US.
The biggest issue is criminals using guns.**Tell that to the relatives of those killed in Las Vegas, Sandy Hook
and all the other places. Take away the ease that violent people can
obtain firearms and part of the problem will begin to be solved.
Possession laws are strict, but not always**That MAY be part of the problem, but you have yet to provide a single
enforced aswe ll as they should be.
Blame liberal Democrat run city goverments, and ultra liberal Democrat do >>> nothing prosecutors
shred of evidence to support this claim. Let me ask you: When the woman
who supplied firearms to the Columbine killers was arrested, who let her
off?
**Here in Australia, there was checks and balances that must be adhered
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.**Indeed. However, it seems clear that he should not have access to
firearms.
--
How do you tell that before the fact?
to, before a person can obtain a firearms license. Without a license, a
legal firearm cannot be purchased. Part of the those checks involves a
police investigation of domestic violence and other violent acts,
perpetrated by the applicant. It's not perfect, but it does prevent a
large number of people from easily buying guns.
all you have is hindsight.**Wrong.
--
People buying guns legally and further restricting of such, is not the problem.
350 existing million guns are on the streets.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
On 20/06/2023 1:31 pm, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 20/06/2023 4:39 am, Art Sackman wrote:
**It controls the party, completely, WRT gun laws:
I will spell it out to you once more:
US gun laws are the problem. They are inadequate, weak and haphazardly >>>> applied. And, the reason they are so hopeless and you are very happy to >>>> see 10,000 of your fellow Americans murdered each year via bullets, is >>>> due to the fact that the NRA controls the Republican Party.
The NRA does not control the party.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35261394
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3511518-nra-contributions-underscore-grip-in-gop/
there are varied interests with various agendas influencing the party**Indeed. There is also this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group
**So you say. I contend that you are wrong. Private sales must be
Purchase laws are strict and enforced. Private sakes can
be tightened, but that is nobbling around the edges.
strictly monitored.
350 million guns are already on the streets.**Sure. And that is a major problem that must be tackled. However, I
recall the words spoken by JFK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon
It was an inspirational and dramatic speech. NASA was, rightly,
horrified. However, with sufficient funds and talent, NASA pulled it off. >>
When the US population is unified towards a specific goal, it has been
shown to be remarkably capable. Divided, as it is, along tribal,
political lines (Putin/Trump did much of the damage), it will fail.
It CAN be done and it SHOULD be done. Australia did it. I guess that
means Australia is a better, more capable nation than the US.
The biggest issue is criminals using guns.**Tell that to the relatives of those killed in Las Vegas, Sandy Hook
and all the other places. Take away the ease that violent people can
obtain firearms and part of the problem will begin to be solved.
Possession laws are strict, but not always**That MAY be part of the problem, but you have yet to provide a single >> shred of evidence to support this claim. Let me ask you: When the woman >> who supplied firearms to the Columbine killers was arrested, who let her >> off?
enforced aswe ll as they should be.
Blame liberal Democrat run city goverments, and ultra liberal Democrat do
nothing prosecutors
**Here in Australia, there was checks and balances that must be adhered >> to, before a person can obtain a firearms license. Without a license, a >> legal firearm cannot be purchased. Part of the those checks involves a
you don't know any of the facts as to how this subject acquired that particular gun.**Indeed. However, it seems clear that he should not have access to >>>> firearms.
--
How do you tell that before the fact?
police investigation of domestic violence and other violent acts,
perpetrated by the applicant. It's not perfect, but it does prevent a
large number of people from easily buying guns.
all you have is hindsight.**Wrong.
--
People buying guns legally and further restricting of such, is not the problem.**Perhaps not, but when those legal gun owners sell their firearms to
bad people, it is.
350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.Problem is....[sic] they can't get the guns off the streets....[sic] so they go after the ones in law abiding peoples[sic] homes.
350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
On
350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
Drops of rain falling in the Atlantic Ocean.
Better results from concentrating on the criminals we have.
Also, putting more criminals onto the streets is a bad idea.
Let's fix urban education with vouchers for private schools and
more charter schools for urban children in
downtrodden communities.
Let's fix urban education with vouchers for private schools and**Something I agree with.
more charter schools for urban children in downtrodden communities.
Also, walking and chewing gum.
On 21/06/2023 5:28 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On
350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
Drops of rain falling in the Atlantic Ocean.**Can you walk and chew gum?
Better results from concentrating on the criminals we have.
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:24:55 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 21/06/2023 5:28 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On**Can you walk and chew gum?
350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem.
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
Drops of rain falling in the Atlantic Ocean.
Better results from concentrating on the criminals we have.
I can walk, chew gum, and waste my time.
All three.
But why bother wasting time and effort
On 21/06/2023 11:02 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:24:55 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 21/06/2023 5:28 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On**Can you walk and chew gum?
Drops of rain falling in the Atlantic Ocean.350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem. >>>
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
Better results from concentrating on the criminals we have.
I can walk, chew gum, and waste my time.
All three.
But why bother wasting time and effort
**As has been proven by the Australian experience, strong gun control
laws work and work well.
By all means prosecute criminals, but also toughen gun control laws.
BTW: The US locks up more criminals than any other nation:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
AND, that is not a per capita figure!
Here's the thing:
Gun loons, the NRA and the Republican Party claim that more guns make
the US safer. By that measure, the US should be the safest, least deadly place on the planet. It isn't.
You claim that locking people up makes the US safer. The US has, by a
very wide margin, the largest prison population, per capita. That fact
is not making the US safer.
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:18:02 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 21/06/2023 11:02 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:24:55 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**As has been proven by the Australian experience, strong gun control
On 21/06/2023 5:28 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On**Can you walk and chew gum?
Drops of rain falling in the Atlantic Ocean.350 existing million guns are on the streets.**Sure. Putting MORE guns onto the street will not solve the problem. >>>>>
Criminals buy and sell them surreptitiously,
without regard for purchase and sale laws.
Better results from concentrating on the criminals we have.
I can walk, chew gum, and waste my time.
All three.
But why bother wasting time and effort
laws work and work well.
By all means prosecute criminals, but also toughen gun control laws.
BTW: The US locks up more criminals than any other nation:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
AND, that is not a per capita figure!
Here's the thing:
Gun loons, the NRA and the Republican Party claim that more guns make
the US safer. By that measure, the US should be the safest, least deadly
place on the planet. It isn't.
You claim that locking people up makes the US safer. The US has, by a
very wide margin, the largest prison population, per capita. That fact
is not making the US safer.
We have a ton of them NOT locked up. They are the ones out on the streets killing people.
The locked up ones are under more control.
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