https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

I put media incompetence and malfeasance a close 2nd to the deep state in domestic "threats to democracy".

ScottW

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:33:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe anything.

I guess you like mercury in fish. Go for it....it's show in your mental acuity.

ScottW

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On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

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On 6/21/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:33:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

I guess you like mercury in fish. Go for it....it's show in your mental acuity.

If I think approved vaccines are safe, I must like mercury in fish? That mercury thing is soooo old. 2005, updated 2022:

https://www.parents.com/health/vaccines/controversy/mercury-and-vaccines/

"Thimerosal was effectively eliminated from almost every shot by 2001
"as a precaution,” says Neal Halsey, M.D., a pediatrician and director
of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University in
Baltimore."

This piece exhibits the fallacy of showcasing the lie at the beginning
and showing the truth later on, btw.

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.
Follow the science.
designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.
not random guesses
Newborns don't have gender preferences yet. Infact, nor do they have eyesight. nor ability to speak,
and not much muscular control. These things develop later.
SO SAYS SCIENCE

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 1:46:50 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:33:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

I guess you like mercury in fish. Go for it....it's show in your mental acuity.

If I think approved vaccines are safe, I must like mercury in fish? That mercury thing is soooo old. 2005, updated 2022:

https://www.parents.com/health/vaccines/controversy/mercury-and-vaccines/

"Thimerosal was effectively eliminated from almost every shot by 2001
"as a precaution,” says Neal Halsey, M.D., a pediatrician and director
of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore."

This piece exhibits the fallacy of showcasing the lie at the beginning
and showing the truth later on, btw.

Steve, please use the brain assigned to you at birth.

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:33:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

I guess you like mercury in fish. Go for it....it's show in your mental acuity.

If I think approved vaccines are safe, I must like mercury in fish?

Mercury in fish has been, according to JFK, the major endeavor of his legal career.
I never mentioned vaccines.

But, did they ever give covid full approval?

That
mercury thing is soooo old. 2005, updated 2022:

https://www.parents.com/health/vaccines/controversy/mercury-and-vaccines/

"Thimerosal was effectively eliminated from almost every shot by 2001
"as a precaution,” says Neal Halsey, M.D., a pediatrician and director
of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore."

Hmmm.....so how long were people getting Thimerosal that was later removed as a precaution?
Doesn't sound like they're sure they got it quite right the first time.

This piece exhibits the fallacy of showcasing the lie at the beginning
and showing the truth later on, btw.

Is that why you keep lying start to finish?

ScottW

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On 6/21/23 5:45 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll
believe anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.

That's not all they say about it.

Follow the science.

I've cited the science.

designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

Except when it's not discernible.

not random guesses

Correct, not random.

Newborns don't have gender preferences yet. Infact, nor do they have eyesight. nor ability to speak, and not much muscular control. These
things develop later. SO SAYS SCIENCE

Science agrees gender is more complicated than that:

https://core.ac.uk/reader/55894044

Non-binary or genderqueer genders

ABSTRACT

Some people have a gender which is neither male nor female and may
identify as both male and female at one time, as different genders at
different times, as no gender at all, or dispute the very idea of only
two genders. The umbrella terms for such genders are ‘genderqueer’ or ‘non-binary’genders. Such gender identities outside of the binary of
female and male are increasingly being recognized in legal, medical and psychological systems and diagnostic classifications in line with the
emerging presence and advocacy of these groups of people.
Population-based studies show as mall percentage – but a sizable
proportion in terms of raw numbers – of people who identify as
non-binary. While such genders have been extant historically and
globally, they remain marginalized, and as such – while not being
disorders or pathological in themselves – people with such genders
remain at risk of victimization and of minority or marginalization
stress as a result of discrimination. This paper therefore reviews the
limited literature on this field and considers ways in which (mental)
health professionals may assist the people with genderqueer and
non-binary gender identities and/or expressions they may see in their
practice. Treatment options and associated risks are discussed.

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On 6/21/23 8:51 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:46:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:39 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:33:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

I guess you like mercury in fish. Go for it....it's show in your mental acuity.

If I think approved vaccines are safe, I must like mercury in fish?

Mercury in fish has been, according to JFK, the major endeavor of his legal career.

JFK endeavored to put mercury in fish? Is that why he was assassinated?

I never mentioned vaccines.

Science = vaccines. RFKjr famously opposes vaccines.

But, did they ever give covid full approval?

Who would approve a disease? If you mean the COVID vaccines, yes,
Moderna on Jan 31, 2022 and Pfizer on Aug 23, 2021.

That mercury thing is soooo old. 2005, updated 2022:

https://www.parents.com/health/vaccines/controversy/mercury-and-vaccines/

"Thimerosal was effectively eliminated from almost every shot by 2001
"as a precaution,” says Neal Halsey, M.D., a pediatrician and director
of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University in
Baltimore."

Hmmm.....so how long were people getting Thimerosal that was later removed as a precaution?
Doesn't sound like they're sure they got it quite right the first time.

Sounds like they accommodated public sentiment despite it not being scientifically valid.

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:26:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 5:45 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll
believe anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.

That's not all they say about it.

Follow the science.

I've cited the science.

designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

Except when it's not discernible.

not random guesses

Correct, not random.

Newborns don't have gender preferences yet. Infact, nor do they have eyesight. nor ability to speak, and not much muscular control. These things develop later. SO SAYS SCIENCE

Science agrees gender is more complicated than that:

https://core.ac.uk/reader/55894044

Non-binary or genderqueer genders

ABSTRACT

Some people have a GENDER which is neither male nor female and may
identify as both male and female at one time, as different GENDERS at different times, as no GENDER at all, or dispute the very idea of only
two GENDERS. The umbrella terms for such GENDERS

are ‘GENDERqueer’ or

‘non-binary’GENDERS Such GENDER identities outside of the binary of female and male are increasingly being recognized in legal, medical and psychological systems and diagnostic classifications in line with the emerging presence and advocacy of these groups of people.
Population-based studies show as mall percentage – but a sizable proportion in terms of raw numbers – of people who identify as
non-binary. While such GENDERS have been extant historically and
globally, they remain marginalized, and as such – while not being disorders or pathological in themselves – people with such GENDERS
remain at risk of victimization and of minority or marginalization
stress as a result of discrimination. This paper therefore reviews the limited literature on this field and considers ways in which (mental)
health professionals may assist the people with GENDERqueer and
non-binary GENDER identities and/or expressions they may see in their practice. Treatment options and associated risks are discussed.

Your quote discusses GENDER and mentions it twelve times.
Sex is not discussed at all.

In the discussion of GENDER, there is no mention at all about gender regarding newborn infants.

My post discusses sex, which is biological.
Gender is psychological.
We KNOW an infant's sex at birth.
We DO NOT KNOW an infant's gender at birth.

Furthermore, sex is fixed for life, while
gender is fluid, and can change and reform at various points
in a person's life.

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On 6/22/23 12:22 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:26:24 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 5:45 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll
believe anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.

That's not all they say about it.

Follow the science.

I've cited the science.

designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their
biological apparatus.

Except when it's not discernible.

not random guesses

Correct, not random.

Newborns don't have gender preferences yet. Infact, nor do they
have eyesight. nor ability to speak, and not much muscular
control. These things develop later. SO SAYS SCIENCE

Science agrees gender is more complicated than that:

https://core.ac.uk/reader/55894044

Non-binary or genderqueer genders

ABSTRACT

Some people have a GENDER which is neither male nor female and may
identify as both male and female at one time, as different GENDERS
at different times, as no GENDER at all, or dispute the very idea
of only two GENDERS. The umbrella terms for such GENDERS

are ‘GENDERqueer’ or

‘non-binary’GENDERS Such GENDER identities outside of the binary
of female and male are increasingly being recognized in legal,
medical and psychological systems and diagnostic classifications in
line with the emerging presence and advocacy of these groups of
people. Population-based studies show as mall percentage – but a
sizable proportion in terms of raw numbers – of people who identify
as non-binary. While such GENDERS have been extant historically
and globally, they remain marginalized, and as such – while not
being disorders or pathological in themselves – people with such
GENDERS remain at risk of victimization and of minority or
marginalization stress as a result of discrimination. This paper
therefore reviews the limited literature on this field and
considers ways in which (mental) health professionals may assist
the people with GENDERqueer and non-binary GENDER identities and/or
expressions they may see in their practice. Treatment options and
associated risks are discussed.

Your quote discusses GENDER and mentions it twelve times. Sex is not discussed at all.

Science is like that.

In the discussion of GENDER, there is no mention at all about gender regarding newborn infants.

Only newborns have gender or sex?

My post discusses sex, which is biological. Gender is psychological.
We KNOW an infant's sex at birth.

Except when we don't.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/

https://www.verywellhealth.com/androgen-insensitivity-4173975

We DO NOT KNOW an infant's gender at birth.

Furthermore, sex is fixed for life,

Except when it isn't.

while gender is fluid, and can change and reform at various points in
a person's life.

I don't see how refusing to acknowledge exceptions to your terms helps
your argument:

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/

These working definitions were a good start in recognizing the value of studying sex and gender and their interactions, yet they were always
meant to evolve. Now, we are learning more about ourselves and so must
adapt our terminology to be inclusive, respectful, and more accurate.
For example, while most people are born biologically female or male,
rare biological syndromes can result in genital ambiguity. Or a
resistance to a sex hormone can result in traits typical of the opposite biological sex.
Moreover, while an individual’s internal sense of gender can be female
or male, some people identify as nonbinary — neither female nor male.
Other individuals can identify as a gender that is the same as
(cisgender) or different from (transgender) the one assigned at birth.
These terms are separate from an individual’s sexual orientation, which describes a person’s emotional, romantic and/or physical attachments
(such as straight, lesbian, gay, asexual, bisexual, and more).
In science, as our understanding grows, so must the precision of our
language in communicating what we know.

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On 6/22/23 12:56 PM, mINE109 wrote:

Furthermore, sex is fixed for life,

Except when it isn't.

https://www.newsweek.com/rare-condition-causes-girls-become-boys-puberty-374934

The new BBC Two series "Countdown to Life" looks at the fascinating
phenomenon of children in this community who are born girls and then spontaneously develop penises once they've entered puberty. They are
called guevedoces, which loosely translates to "penis at twelve." They
are also sometimes referred to as machihembras, which means "first a
woman, then a man."

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:05:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:56 PM, mINE109 wrote:

Furthermore, sex is fixed for life,

Except when it isn't.

https://www.newsweek.com/rare-condition-causes-girls-become-boys-puberty-374934

The new BBC Two series "Countdown to Life" looks at the fascinating phenomenon of children in this community who are born girls and then spontaneously develop penises once they've entered puberty. They are
called guevedoces, which loosely translates to "penis at twelve." They
are also sometimes referred to as machihembras, which means "first a
woman, then a man."

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981

how WRONG you are!!

They are actually biological MALES with XY chromosones
who suffer a diorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCevedoce

link did not copy prperly
(try wiki and search for guevedoces)

"the result of a genotypic male (with XY chromosomes) born with a deficiency in the enzyme 5α-reductase. 5α-Reductase is responsible for the reduction of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is the hormone responsible for the
majority of embryonic development of primary male sexual characteristics such as genital size. However, the oxidized form of the hormone, testosterone, promotes secondary sex characteristics. Thus, an XY child without functioning 5α-reductase cannot
convert testosterone into the form that develops primary sex characteristics and will have the appearance of female genitalia. At puberty, when large amounts of testosterone are produced, secondary sex characteristics (e.g., deepening voice, hair pattern
changes, muscle anabolism, etc.) develop, thus producing a phenotypic male.[citation needed]"

So, one such person is a BIOLOGICAL MALE suffering a disorder.

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On 6/22/23 3:01 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:05:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:56 PM, mINE109 wrote:

Furthermore, sex is fixed for life,

Except when it isn't.

https://www.newsweek.com/rare-condition-causes-girls-become-boys-puberty-374934

The new BBC Two series "Countdown to Life" looks at the fascinating
phenomenon of children in this community who are born girls and then
spontaneously develop penises once they've entered puberty. They are
called guevedoces, which loosely translates to "penis at twelve." They
are also sometimes referred to as machihembras, which means "first a
woman, then a man."

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981

how WRONG you are!!

They are actually biological MALES with XY chromosones
who suffer a diorder.

That gives them the appearance of biological females at birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCevedoce

link did not copy prperly
(try wiki and search for guevedoces)

I don't need to do that.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

"Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome occurs when the body cannot
use androgens at all. People with this form of the condition have the
external sex characteristics of females, but do not have a uterus and
therefore do not menstruate and are unable to conceive a child
(infertile). They are typically raised as females and have a female
gender identity...

People with partial androgen insensitivity (also called Reifenstein
syndrome) can have genitalia that look typically female, genitalia that
have both male and female characteristics, or genitalia that look
typically male. They may be raised as males or as females and may have a
male or a female gender identity."

So, one such person is a BIOLOGICAL MALE suffering a disorder.

And an exception to your claim that "we KNOW an infant's sex at birth."

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On 22/06/2023 8:45 am, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.
Follow the science.
designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

**Really? A mate's child was born with a vagina and a penis. Which sex
was it?



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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:03:19 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 22/06/2023 8:45 am, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.
Follow the science.
designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

**Really? A mate's child was born with a vagina and a penis. Which sex
was it?

That is a genetic mutation. It might be Klinefelter syndrome. But to answer your question, check the genes.
If its is XXY, it likely would be Klinefelter. In general, that description of duality would be considered intersex.
That is NOT a third human sex. Ther are two sexes, male and female

we safely say Humans are of two sexes, have two arms and hands, two legs and feet, five fingers on each
hand and five toes on each foot, and humans are individualistically whole, and are not attached to each
other, though rare mutations do occur.
But the ACCURATE description of human beings are of two sexes,
two arms and hands, two legs and feet, five fingers on each
hand and five toes on each foot, and not attached to each other.

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 22/06/2023 8:45 am, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.
Follow the science.
designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

**Really? A mate's child was born with a vagina and a penis. Which sex
was it?

More man and woman than you'll ever be. That poor child's abnormality has a cause.

ScottW

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 22/06/2023 8:45 am, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:33:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 10:29 AM, ScottW wrote:

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-06-19/column-robert-f-kennedy-jr-is-not-only-a-threat-to-your-health-but-a-threat-to-our-democracy

GMAFB..

They make a good case. If RFKjr can't accept science, he'll believe
anything.

Science says humans have two sexes, male and female.
Follow the science.
designations of sex of newborn babies are based upon their biological apparatus.

**Really? A mate's child was born with a vagina and a penis. Which sex
was it?

More man and woman than you'll ever be. That poor child's abnormality has a cause.

ScottW

Being the child of one of Trevor's mates is what caused this?

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