FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same
briefing from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in the information provided to the court.

Comey personally signed the of the warrant applications as verified and complete. He should be going to jail for such egregious abuse of the court.

ScottW

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On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents
working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered
charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had
hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt
to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw
that evidence."

Comey personally signed the of the warrant applications as verified
and complete. He should be going to jail for such egregious abuse of
the court.

Durham missed his chance, didn't he? Was there proof the FBI ever
received that memo?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.261.5_2.pdf#page=3

"An exchange (redacted) discussing US presidential candidate Hillary
Clinton's approval of a plan concerning US presidential candidate Donald
Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections as a means of
distracting the public from her use of a private email server..."

Considering the Russia DNC hack (June 2016) and Trump's response (July
2016) were public knowledge, hard to see the inculpatory value here
(September 2016).

The "plan" here could be as simple as connecting the dots in public.

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered
charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had
hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but
just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract
and deflect.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign
was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them.

The lead agent when he was shown the referral by Durham reportedly
became so upset he had to leave the meeting.
When he returned he could only say, "This would have changed everything had we known."

ScottW

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract and deflect.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign
was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them.

The lead agent when he was shown the referral by Durham reportedly
became so upset he had to leave the meeting.
When he returned he could only say, "This would have changed everything had we known."

ScottW

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him out.

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On 6/22/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents
working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about
then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered
charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had
hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt >> to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw
that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but
just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract and deflect.

You need to stop snipping contrary evidence while focusing on what you
claim is a distraction.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign
was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them.

It's not clear what you're talking about. Is it not the document I
cited? I know it's more fun for you to withhold info, but that's ironic
in this context.

The Clinton campaign didn't pay directly, but the law firm was so well-associated that Durham attempted a failed prosecution on it.

The lead agent when he was shown the referral by Durham reportedly
became so upset he had to leave the meeting.

When he returned he could only say, "This would have changed everything had we known."

The Steele Dossier post-dates the Papadopoulos (July 22) revelations so
I have no idea what would have changed. The agent was fine so long as
Paul Singer was paying? The FBI would have tanked the Alpha bank "investigation" even faster?

Durham's "Clinton Plan" is based on Dutch intelligence spying on
Russians spying on Americans. The Russians didn't say Hillary was going
to make stuff up, they said she would campaign on Trump's Russian
connections and the DNC hack, which was hardly a secret at that point.

These FBI guys sound emotionally fragile. No wonder they're so scared of
being accused of left-wing bias.

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On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm gonna
visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports that
later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office found no
evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote and approved the
Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of those reports when he
opened the investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigators did
not receive the reports until mid-September."

So, no Steele Dossier for Crossfire Hurricane and now it doesn't matter
who paid for it.

Also:

P. 81:

:On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an
investigative referral to FBI Director James Corney and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding "U.S.
Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning
U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering
U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a
private mail server."392

The Clinton Plan intelligence was relevant to the Office's investigation
for two reasons.

First, the Clinton Plan intelligence itself and on its face arguably
suggested that private actors affiliated with the Clinton campaign were
seeking in 2016 to promote a false or exaggerated narrative to the
public and to U.S. government agencies about Trump's possible ties to Russia..."

End quote.

There's Durham's leap. he: *arguably suggested* that private actors
affiliated with the Clinton campaign were seeking in 2016 to promote *a
false or exaggerated narrative*.

Through the magic of arguable suggestion, a term of practice I'm not
familiar with, Clinton's plan to point to Trump and Russia becomes a
"false or exaggerated narrative" despite Trump's Russian business
dealings being public record and Trump's "Russia are you listening?"
public statements enjoying wide exposure. No falseness or exaggeration
were necessary and even the Russians weren't making that accusation in
what looks like part of their disinformation campaign targeting the US.

If that's the omission that blew them out of a meeting in tears, I worry
for the mettle of those FBI agents.

Also, that is the referral I cited. Strzok didn't see it.

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:18:15 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm gonna
visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Mr. Potatohead with smoother, whiter skin.

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm gonna
visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports that
later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office found no evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote and approved the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of those reports when he
opened the investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane investigators did
not receive the reports until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and the FISA court.

So, no Steele Dossier for Crossfire Hurricane and now it doesn't matter
who paid for it.

WTF? Because they didn't have it day 1 you're going with they never had it? How f'ing insane are you?

ScottW

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On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:33:22 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered
charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had
hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt
to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw >> that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract
and deflect.

You need to stop snipping contrary evidence while focusing on what you
claim is a distraction.

It's not contrary....it's not even on subject beyond it involves Hunter too.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign
was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them.

It's not clear what you're talking about. Is it not the document I
cited?

No it isn't. This whole thing was about the Steele Dossier.

"FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents

working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to
tie Trump to Russia. "

The referral came from CIA and/or NSA.

It should have been included in FISA warrant applications.

ScottW

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On 6/22/23 7:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:18:15 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm gonna
visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Mr. Potatohead with smoother, whiter skin.

That narrows it down to almost any white dude on tv.

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On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm
gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him
out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports that
later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office found no
evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote and approved
the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of those reports when
he opened the investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane
investigators did not receive the reports until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and the
FISA court.

Yes, so it didn't affect those decisions. I thought it was good for the
FBI not to act on questionable intelligence until it had been
investigated and verified.

Is that they did with the Steele Dossier?
I think it was McCabe that said they wouldn't have got any warrants without it.
(snip more made up BS)

ScottW

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On 6/22/23 10:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm
gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten him
out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports that
later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office found no
evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote and approved
the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of those reports when
he opened the investigation, and the Crossfire Hurricane
investigators did not receive the reports until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and the
FISA court.

Yes, so it didn't affect those decisions. I thought it was good for the
FBI not to act on questionable intelligence until it had been
investigated and verified.

OTOH, I doubt the courts and agents were unaware of the potential for
Clinton to refer to public knowledge in her campaign against her
election opponent.

So, no Steele Dossier for Crossfire Hurricane and now it doesn't
matter who paid for it.

WTF? Because they didn't have it day 1 you're going with they never
had it? How f'ing insane are you?

Now you're diverting. While many, probably most, of the specific
allegations in the Dossier were likely Russian disinformation, the gist
that Russia intended to help Trump was no revelation and has been
confirmed by other sources.

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On 6/22/23 10:13 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:33:22 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>> tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden
and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing
from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for
FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in
the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered
charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had
hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt >>>> to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw >>>> that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but >>> just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract >>> and deflect.

You need to stop snipping contrary evidence while focusing on what you
claim is a distraction.

It's not contrary....it's not even on subject beyond it involves Hunter too.

What you snipped was a direct cite of the document you called a "nugget"
in your subject line. It doesn't mention Hunter.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign
was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them.

It's not clear what you're talking about. Is it not the document I
cited?

No it isn't. This whole thing was about the Steele Dossier.

Your underlying mistake is your belief the Steele Dossier is the
predicate of the counterintelligence investigation.

"FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>> tie Trump to Russia. "

The referral came from CIA and/or NSA.

It should have been included in FISA warrant applications.

Because it included a common-place observation that Clinton could use
Trump's Russian ties in her campaign?

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On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:31:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:13 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:33:22 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>> tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham
testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden >>>>> and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing >>>>> from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for >>>>> FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in >>>>> the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered >>>> charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had >>>> hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt
to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw
that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but >>> just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract
and deflect.

You need to stop snipping contrary evidence while focusing on what you
claim is a distraction.

It's not contrary....it's not even on subject beyond it involves Hunter too.

What you snipped was a direct cite of the document you called a "nugget"
in your subject line. It doesn't mention Hunter.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign >>> was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them. >> It's not clear what you're talking about. Is it not the document I

cited?

No it isn't. This whole thing was about the Steele Dossier.

Your underlying mistake is your belief the Steele Dossier is the
predicate of the counterintelligence investigation.

"FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>> tie Trump to Russia. "

The referral came from CIA and/or NSA.

It should have been included in FISA warrant applications.

Because it included a common-place observation that Clinton could use Trump's Russian ties in her campaign?

Because the funding of it as a political effort had bearing on the merits of the document.

Seriously? How densely stupid can you be?

I hope the Chinese and Russians aren't reading this. They'd be going... "Americans are so gullible....we can put almost anything out there and some dems will believe it".
Does that make you a Russian asset worthy of surveillance?

ScottW

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On 6/23/23 9:28 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm
gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten
him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports
that later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office
found no evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote
and approved the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of
those reports when he opened the investigation, and the
Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not receive the reports
until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and
the FISA court.

Yes, so it didn't affect those decisions. I thought it was good for
the FBI not to act on questionable intelligence until it had been
investigated and verified.

Is that they did with the Steele Dossier?

It was leaked by journalists, not released by the FBI.

I think it was McCabe that said they wouldn't have got any warrants
without it.

Papadopolous was predicated by the Australian diplomat's tip, Page by
his Moscow meetings which were known from other sources than the dossier.

You're probably referring to Comey, who referred to it as "one of the
sources" in Congressional briefings.

(snip more made up BS)

So easy for you to snip away. Safe to say the DNC hack wasn't for
Clinton's benefit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

"Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to
support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with
the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to
support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature."

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On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/23/23 9:28 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm
gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten
him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports
that later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office
found no evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote
and approved the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of
those reports when he opened the investigation, and the
Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not receive the reports
until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and
the FISA court.

Yes, so it didn't affect those decisions. I thought it was good for
the FBI not to act on questionable intelligence until it had been
investigated and verified.

Is that they did with the Steele Dossier?

It was leaked by journalists, not released by the FBI.

I think it was McCabe that said they wouldn't have got any warrants without it.

Papadopolous was predicated by the Australian diplomat's tip,

a joke of a setup and yielded nothing but a BS process crime.

Page by
his Moscow meetings which were known from other sources than the dossier.

The meetings he was briefing the CIA about but the FBI lawyer scrubbed from their FISA submittal?

I've heard Russia thinks you're a good piano teacher. You need to be purged cuz
well....Russia.

ScottW

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On 6/23/23 9:39 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:31:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:13 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:33:22 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:43 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:56:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/21/23 8:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>>>> tie Trump to Russia.

The memo contained intelligence from a high-level briefing with
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Brennan. Durham >>>>>>> testified that then-President Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden >>>>>>> and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch received the same briefing >>>>>>> from Brennan.

The lead agent responsible for putting together the application for >>>>>>> FISA warrants was not shown the referral and it was not included in >>>>>>> the information provided to the court.

That's convoluted. A commenter puts it this way: "Durham considered >>>>>> charging FBI agents for not responding to evidence that Russians had >>>>>> hacked a Hillary advisor as if it was proof of Hillary’s devious attempt
to frame Trump, even though he had no evidence those FBI agents ever saw >>>>>> that evidence."

You really need to quit listening to really stupid (or not so stupid but >>>>> just pure dem propagandist) commentators spouting irrelevant BS to distract
and deflect.

You need to stop snipping contrary evidence while focusing on what you >>>> claim is a distraction.

It's not contrary....it's not even on subject beyond it involves Hunter too.

What you snipped was a direct cite of the document you called a "nugget"
in your subject line. It doesn't mention Hunter.

The "agents" never saw the referral which showed the Clinton campaign >>>>> was paying for the Steele dossier because Comey withheld it from them. >>>> It's not clear what you're talking about. Is it not the document I

cited?

No it isn't. This whole thing was about the Steele Dossier.

Your underlying mistake is your belief the Steele Dossier is the
predicate of the counterintelligence investigation.

"FBI Director Jim Comey withheld a referral memorandum from the agents >>>>>>> working the Crossfire Hurricane case that contained information about >>>>>>> then-Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's attempts to >>>>>>> tie Trump to Russia. "

The referral came from CIA and/or NSA.

It should have been included in FISA warrant applications.

Because it included a common-place observation that Clinton could use
Trump's Russian ties in her campaign?

Because the funding of it as a political effort had bearing on the merits of the document.

Don't you have that backwards? I have some bad news about a lot of your
other source material.

Seriously? How densely stupid can you be?

It doesn't matter who paid for a report you didn't rely on.

I hope the Chinese and Russians aren't reading this. They'd be going... "Americans are so gullible....we can put almost anything out there and some dems will believe it".
Does that make you a Russian asset worthy of surveillance?

I'm more concerned the Dutch are monitoring you.

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On 6/23/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/23/23 9:28 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 10:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 6/22/23 12:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I'm going to the makeup and costume departments and then I'm
gonna visit Stevie posing as Brian Stelter, and straighten
him out.

Save your costume money: I don't even know what he looks like!

Meanwhile, Scott should try looking at the footnotes:

Durham p. 58:

"248 In early July 2016, the NYFO received some of the reports
that later came to be known as the "Steele dossier." The Office
found no evidence, however, suggesting that Strzok, who wrote
and approved the Crossfire Hurricane Opening EC, was aware of
those reports when he opened the investigation, and the
Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not receive the reports
until mid-September."

And they sat on it and withheld it from their lead agents and
the FISA court.

Yes, so it didn't affect those decisions. I thought it was good for
the FBI not to act on questionable intelligence until it had been
investigated and verified.

Is that they did with the Steele Dossier?

It was leaked by journalists, not released by the FBI.

I think it was McCabe that said they wouldn't have got any warrants
without it.

Papadopolous was predicated by the Australian diplomat's tip,

a joke of a setup and yielded nothing but a BS process crime.

"Crime" is still part of "process crime." And the tip came true: Russia
hacked the DNC and leaked information to benefit Trump.

Page by
his Moscow meetings which were known from other sources than the dossier.

The meetings he was briefing the CIA about but the FBI lawyer scrubbed from their FISA submittal?

No, the meetings the FBI were interested in because they thought the
Russians were recruiting him.

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