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  • The former Security schmucks letter proven a big fat Lie to America

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 25 20:22:10 2023
    "... long before the letter they signed was written, “the FBI had authenticated the device as belonging to the first son and prosecutors had expressed confidence its contents had not been manipulated, according to a contemporaneous IRS investigative
    memo.”

    The author of that memo was “IRS Supervisory Criminal Investigative Agent Gary Shapley, now a whistleblower.” It “provided a chronology of how the FBI validated the laptop as having belonged to Hunter Biden as early as November 2019 and by spring
    2020 was exploiting and analyzing its emails, text messages and photos.” Shapley wrote in the memo that “we have no reason to believe there is anything fabricated nefariously on the computer and or hard drive. There are emails and other items that
    corroborate the items on the laptop and hard drive.”

    Clapper, Hayden, Panetta, Brennan, and the others saw the assessment that nothing on the laptop had been “fabricated nefariously,” and they wrote, “We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President
    Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement — just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”

    This was not the weaselly escape clause they intended it to be, as when they wrote this, they had easy access to the FBI memo saying that nothing was fabricated nefariously and that other items corroborated what was on the laptop.

    This is the apex of political corruption. These people should be formally barred from holding any position in the American government ever again. But their friends and cronies are still in power, so expect them to be given awards instead. (end quote)

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Jun 26 09:50:34 2023
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.

    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of
    which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 08:54:01 2023
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    We KNOW the actors (or actress)

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Jun 26 12:34:57 2023
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of
    which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.

    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence community.
    What is proven is Russia's record of using disinformation to mess with
    US elections.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 14:13:48 2023
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of >> which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence community.
    What is proven is Russia's record of using disinformation to mess with
    US elections.


    no no no no no

    You are gaslighting and whitewashing.
    You portrayed it as Russian disinformation.

    Russia (as well as Hillary Clinton) uses disinformation, but the laptop was
    not part of that, and US officials knew full well it was real, before
    they drafted the letter and circulated it for signatures.

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, but by US intelligence
    operatives. not by Russia.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 16:29:26 2023
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of >> which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence community.

    A warning they knew was based upon a false premise.
    A warning that was purely motivated to provide political cover in an upcoming debate.
    A warning that was intended to mislead the American public and provide cover for MSM to ignore the laptop.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Tue Jun 27 09:55:04 2023
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the
    laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of >>>> which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter. >>>
    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence community.
    What is proven is Russia's record of using disinformation to mess with
    US elections.


    no no no no no

    Yes, yes, yes, yes.

    You are gaslighting and whitewashing.

    No, I refer to the actual text of the letter.

    You portrayed it as Russian disinformation.

    I did not. The letter says the publicizing of the laptop contents
    follows the pattern of Russian disinformation.

    I often included the caveat that the emails etc could be real.

    Russia (as well as Hillary Clinton) uses disinformation, but the laptop was not part of that, and US officials knew full well it was real, before
    they drafted the letter and circulated it for signatures.

    Laptop contents circulated in Ukraine predating the 'discovery' of the
    laptops themselves.

    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-223857755.html

    tl/dr: Cloud hack.

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, but by US intelligence
    operatives. not by Russia.

    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 27 10:05:20 2023
    On 6/26/23 6:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity
    of the laptop for the political value of its exploitation and
    the likelihood of which actors were behind its emergence, the
    actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence
    community.

    A warning they knew was based upon a false premise. A warning that
    was purely motivated to provide political cover in an upcoming
    debate. A warning that was intended to mislead the American public
    and provide cover for MSM to ignore the laptop.

    What was that false premise?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 27 08:06:13 2023
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 1:35:00 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 10:54 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/25/23 10:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    This is the apex of political corruption.
    No, it isn't. You're fundamentally mistaking the authenticity of the >>>> laptop for the political value of its exploitation and the likelihood of
    which actors were behind its emergence, the actual subject of the letter.

    In regard to the letter, that's a proven sham also.
    It is what is said it was: a warning from the intelligence community.
    What is proven is Russia's record of using disinformation to mess with
    US elections.


    no no no no no
    Yes, yes, yes, yes.
    You are gaslighting and whitewashing.
    No, I refer to the actual text of the letter.
    You portrayed it as Russian disinformation.
    I did not. The letter says the publicizing of the laptop contents
    follows the pattern of Russian disinformation.

    I often included the caveat that the emails etc could be real.
    Russia (as well as Hillary Clinton) uses disinformation, but the laptop was
    not part of that, and US officials knew full well it was real, before
    they drafted the letter and circulated it for signatures.
    Laptop contents circulated in Ukraine predating the 'discovery' of the laptops themselves.

    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-alleged-hunter-biden-emails-223857755.html

    tl/dr: Cloud hack.
    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, but by US intelligence
    operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    That you want to ignore the facts of the matter only reveals your self-imposed blindness to
    any wrongdoing by your god.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 27 08:40:39 2023
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, but by US intelligence
    operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    No, it hasn't.

    Yes it has. We have who initiated the letter and exactly why.
    We have the former intel schmucks making suggestions for effect.
    And we have the FBI having confirmed the legit origins of the laptop long prior to their letter.

    Now go say your 10 our Fathers to your dem gods and cleanse your soul of this bit of reality staining it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 27 10:28:14 2023
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, but by US intelligence
    operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.

    No, it hasn't. An involvement of US intelligence would defy logic. My
    best guess at what you mean is the DoJ followed the longstanding norm of
    not making public politically volatile material close to an electing, a
    norm whose violation led to Trump's victory in 2016.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 27 10:51:53 2023
    On 6/27/23 10:40 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference,
    but by US intelligence operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    No, it hasn't.

    Yes it has. We have who initiated the letter and exactly why. We
    have the former intel schmucks making suggestions for effect.

    The letter is by former intelligence figures and isn't election
    interference.

    And we have the FBI having confirmed the legit origins of the laptop
    long prior to their letter.

    Not the point. It's right to be suspicious when Rudy returns from
    Ukraine with salacious material.

    Now go say your 10 our Fathers to your dem gods and cleanse your soul
    of this bit of reality staining it.

    No, it's old news you've misinterpreted.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 27 09:01:05 2023
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:51:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:40 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference,
    but by US intelligence operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    No, it hasn't.

    Yes it has. We have who initiated the letter and exactly why. We
    have the former intel schmucks making suggestions for effect.
    The letter is by former intelligence figures and isn't election interference.

    Sure....they used their credentials to give Joe a false talking point in presidential debate.

    GMAFB. You're hopelessly pathetic.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jun 27 11:22:26 2023
    On 6/27/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:51:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:40 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference,
    but by US intelligence operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    No, it hasn't.

    Yes it has. We have who initiated the letter and exactly why. We
    have the former intel schmucks making suggestions for effect.
    The letter is by former intelligence figures and isn't election
    interference.

    Sure....they used their credentials to give Joe a false talking point in presidential debate.

    That's really insignificant.

    Biden: We are in a situation where we have foreign countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election. His own National Security
    Advisor told him that what is happening with his buddy… Well, I shouldn’t… Well, I will. His buddy Rudy Giuliani. He’s being used as a Russian pawn. He’s being fed information that is Russian that is not
    true. And then what happens? Nothing happens. And then you find out that everything that’s going on here, about Russia is wanting to make sure
    that I do not get elected the next President of the United States,
    because they know I know them, and they know me.

    And so on. The letter didn't stop Trump from making several references
    to Hunter email material, including quoting the phrase, "the big man."

    To repeat:

    https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

    "One mystery that has surrounded Giuliani’s effort to aid Trump’s re-election bid is the original source of the photos and emails he has
    leaked to the New York Post. No other news organization has been able to
    verify the contents of the leak. The Biden campaign, along with U.S.
    national security officials and social media platforms, have warned that
    the leaked files could include forgeries meant to confuse or mislead
    voters in the final weeks of the campaign. Experts on disinformation
    have also raised serious concerns about the leaks."

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-laptop-guo-wengui-bannon-giuliani/

    ...Citing these developments, Republicans and right-leaning publications
    that reported on the emails in 2020 have attacked mainstream media
    outlets for downplaying or ignoring them, arguing that those outlets
    refused to cover a legitimate news story due to anti-Trump bias.

    But the effort by Trump allies was far more problematic, dishonest, and unseemly than many of these critics seem to recall. In the final weeks
    of the 2020 campaign, Giuliani and Bannon selectively doled out
    information from the laptop to mostly right-leaning publications. The Washington Post noted that the duo refused to share access to laptop
    files with its reporters at the time. The files included newsworthy
    information about Hunter Biden’s work for foreign businesses, but Trump allies also linked it with allegations, which remain unsubstantiated,
    that Joe Biden was involved in his son’s ventures. Joe Biden “has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any
    overseas business whatsoever,” his campaign said in 2020.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 27 09:50:29 2023
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 11:01 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:51:56 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:40 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 8:28:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/27/23 10:06 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 7:55:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 6/26/23 4:13 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    In the case of the laptop, it sure was election interference, >>>>>>> but by US intelligence operatives. not by Russia.
    You're arguing by conspiracy theory.

    Except it's no long theory. It's been documented.
    No, it hasn't.

    Yes it has. We have who initiated the letter and exactly why. We
    have the former intel schmucks making suggestions for effect.
    The letter is by former intelligence figures and isn't election
    interference.

    Sure....they used their credentials to give Joe a false talking point in presidential debate.
    That's really insignificant.

    LoL.

    ScottW

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