• Trans moving up on the domestic terrorist threat list

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 21:01:01 2023
    The mass shooter who shot and killed five people in Philadelphia on Monday — Independence Day eve — has been identified as Kimbrady Carriker. Carriker, 40, allegedly shot people indiscriminately in the Kingessing neighborhood, killing four men and a
    15-year-old teenage boy. He also allegedly wounded a two-year-old and a 13-year-old, who were both shot multiple times in the legs. Another two-year-old and a 33-year-old woman were hit by flying glass as a result of the shooting.

    Police have no known motive yet for the shooting, and the alleged killer has no known connection to any of the victims at this point. The suspect was wearing a bulletproof vest and had an AR-15 with multiple magazines as well as a handgun.

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and earrings.

    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Jul 4 21:06:16 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:01:03 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    The mass shooter who shot and killed five people in Philadelphia on Monday — Independence Day eve — has been identified as Kimbrady Carriker. Carriker, 40, allegedly shot people indiscriminately in the Kingessing neighborhood, killing four men and
    a 15-year-old teenage boy. He also allegedly wounded a two-year-old and a 13-year-old, who were both shot multiple times in the legs. Another two-year-old and a 33-year-old woman were hit by flying glass as a result of the shooting.

    Police have no known motive yet for the shooting, and the alleged killer has no known connection to any of the victims at this point. The suspect was wearing a bulletproof vest and had an AR-15 with multiple magazines as well as a handgun.

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and earrings.

    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”

    ScottW


    He is the second one. Just can't get rid of that male toxicity.
    Hormones and scalpels can't do the job.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 07:42:14 2023
    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    Just go with the one that scares you the most. A woman with an ack-ack, maybe, or children enjoying a drag queen story hour. Or maybe the "terrorists" who demand
    cake icers imperil their mortal souls.

    Whatever you choose, remember that the stupider and less grounded in reality
    a stereotype is, the closer it brings you to the Sainthood of Shittiness.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 5 10:34:52 2023
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.

    Not trans.

    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”

    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 08:44:39 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    Just like you and white nationalists.....I gotta admit...it sucks to be you.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 08:49:13 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 5 08:49:51 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:44:41 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?
    Just like you and white nationalists.....I gotta admit...it sucks to be you.

    ScottW

    I wonder what he is sucking.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 5 11:39:09 2023
    On 7/5/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    Just like you and white nationalists.....I gotta admit...it sucks to be you.

    I don't make immediate claims about mass shootings, so, rubber, glue.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 5 11:40:04 2023
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a

    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 11:49:07 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    I don't think so. My assessment is based on multiple reports including one that
    identified her use of tg pronouns

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 11:50:14 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?

    stupid, nonsense?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 5 16:33:49 2023
    On 7/5/23 1:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?

    It doesn't mean Scott waited to see in order to clarify.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 5 16:32:43 2023
    On 7/5/23 1:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a
    woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s
    clothes, and earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a
    shooter is trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on
    a single photo?

    I don't think so.

    This thread subject is "Trans moving up on the domestic terrorist threat
    list."

    My assessment is based on multiple reports including one that
    identified her use of tg pronouns
    "They" is not a tg pronoun and that "source" is the DA's office who now
    call its use a mistake.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 15:12:58 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 2:33:52 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, >>>>> including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is >>>> trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?
    It doesn't mean Scott waited to see in order to clarify.

    I'm on the trans band wagon.

    Given how hormonally f'd up they are....do you think trans people should
    pass a normal gun application check?
    Perhaps their "therapists" should be involved.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 15:09:42 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:39:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    Just like you and white nationalists.....I gotta admit...it sucks to be you.
    I don't make immediate claims about mass shootings, so, rubber, glue.

    Even after long periods of contemplation and all the evidence is in....
    you still end up completely wrong.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 5 16:23:00 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 6:13:00 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:


    I'm on the trans band wagon.


    ScottW

    I can see that https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/pontiac_firebird_trans_am_type_k_concept_1.jpg

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 16:20:26 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:33:52 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, >>>>> including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is >>>> trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?
    It doesn't mean Scott waited to see in order to clarify.

    It doesn't mean he didn't

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 16:19:37 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a
    woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s
    clothes, and earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a
    shooter is trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on
    a single photo?

    I don't think so.
    This thread subject is "Trans moving up on the domestic terrorist threat list."


    what does that have to do with a single photo? nothing at all

    My assessment is based on multiple reports including one that
    identified her use of tg pronouns
    "They" is not a tg pronoun and that "source" is the DA's office who now
    call its use a mistake.

    "Some transgender people use pronoun they because they feel it is more accurate to their gender identity than the pronouns assigned to them at birth. For others, using pronoun they is a way to signal their transgender status to others. Still others use
    pronoun they simply because they prefer it."
    Why Do Some Transgender People Use The Pronoun They - Sdlgbtn www.sdlgbtn.com/why-do-some-transgender-people-use-the-pronoun-they/ www.sdlgbtn.com/why-do-some-transgender-people-use-the-pronoun-they/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 6 09:25:33 2023
    On 7/5/23 5:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 9:39:12 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman,
    including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is
    trans in order to muddy the waters?

    Just like you and white nationalists.....I gotta admit...it sucks to be you.
    I don't make immediate claims about mass shootings, so, rubber, glue.

    Even after long periods of contemplation and all the evidence is in.... you still end up completely wrong.

    Wishful thinking on your part.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 6 09:32:34 2023
    On 7/5/23 5:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 2:33:52 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, >>>>>>> including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is >>>>>> trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?
    It doesn't mean Scott waited to see in order to clarify.

    I'm on the trans band wagon.

    Even knowing the DA's office was wrong about the pronouns? And that's
    the NY Post/wingnutosphere band wagon.

    Given how hormonally f'd up they are....do you think trans people should
    pass a normal gun application check?
    Perhaps their "therapists" should be involved.

    You'd think there'd be more trans shooters were that a real problem.

    We'll just assume you were scarred for life by a childhood matinee
    viewing of "Dog Day Afternoon."

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jul 6 09:59:30 2023
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as
    a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s
    clothes, and earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a
    shooter is trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans
    based on a single photo?

    I don't think so.
    This thread subject is "Trans moving up on the domestic terrorist
    threat list."

    what does that have to do with a single photo? nothing at all

    Then ask Scott why he brought it photos in the body of his post.
    Meanwhile, he's doubled down on the claim with no evidence but the echo chamber.

    I see there's a set of three photos all taken about the same time.

    My assessment is based on multiple reports including one that
    identified her use of tg pronouns
    "They" is not a tg pronoun and that "source" is the DA's office who
    now call its use a mistake.

    "Some transgender people use pronoun they because they feel it is
    more accurate to their gender identity than the pronouns assigned to
    them at birth. For others, using pronoun they is a way to signal
    their transgender status to others. Still others use pronoun they
    simply because they prefer it."

    "Some" do, yes. That doesn't make it exclusively tg, as anyone can
    prefer it.

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They - Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jul 6 10:01:49 2023
    On 7/5/23 6:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:33:52 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as a woman, >>>>>>> including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s clothes, and
    earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a shooter is >>>>>> trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans based on a
    single photo?

    what the hell does that mean?
    It doesn't mean Scott waited to see in order to clarify.

    It doesn't mean he didn't

    Moot, as he has doubled down.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 6 13:02:40 2023
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:59:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 1:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 10:49 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 7/4/23 11:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Carriker seems to defy a lot of narratives.

    In March, Carriker posted pictures of himself dressed as
    a woman, including photos of him wearing a bra, women’s
    clothes, and earrings.
    Not trans.
    and this one....

    "“I lubricate my AR-15 with liberal tears.”
    Yes, that's something a liberal would say.

    Isn't there a right-wing trope of immediately claiming a
    shooter is trans in order to muddy the waters?

    no! we wait and see. we don't muddy. We clarify.a
    Didn't Scott just do that by implying the shooter is trans
    based on a single photo?

    I don't think so.
    This thread subject is "Trans moving up on the domestic terrorist
    threat list."

    what does that have to do with a single photo? nothing at all
    Then ask Scott why he brought it photos in the body of his post.
    Meanwhile, he's doubled down on the claim with no evidence but the echo chamber.

    I see there's a set of three photos all taken about the same time.
    My assessment is based on multiple reports including one that
    identified her use of tg pronouns
    "They" is not a tg pronoun and that "source" is the DA's office who
    now call its use a mistake.

    "Some transgender people use pronoun they because they feel it is
    more accurate to their gender identity than the pronouns assigned to
    them at birth. For others, using pronoun they is a way to signal
    their transgender status to others. Still others use pronoun they
    simply because they prefer it."
    "Some" do, yes. That doesn't make it exclusively tg, as anyone can
    prefer it.

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They - Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

    "It" works fine
    "They" conveys a duality, or more.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Jul 6 15:49:09 2023
    On 7/6/23 3:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:59:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They - Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

    "It" works fine

    Except for the de-humanizing.

    "They" conveys a duality, or more.

    It's a centuries-old way of reference without specifying gender,
    including for a single person.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 7 02:57:10 2023
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/6/23 3:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:59:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They - Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

    "It" works fine
    Except for the de-humanizing.
    "They" conveys a duality, or more.
    It's a centuries-old way of reference without specifying gender,
    including for a single person.

    That's odd! Not a one of my grammar teachers from K to 12 ever mentioned that. It's only a thing that has emerged within the past two years.

    Back when i was in school, if you attached "they" with a singular verb, oune would get
    smacked down. If one were to say 'they is", that person would find themselves sitting in the corner of the classroom wearing a dunce cap.

    Look what happened to "them":
    https://cf.girlsaskguys.com/q4577753/17477739-5f45-4f86-ad40-5005fd99314d.jpg

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Jul 7 08:01:01 2023
    On 7/7/23 4:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/6/23 3:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:59:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They -
    Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

    "It" works fine
    Except for the de-humanizing.
    "They" conveys a duality, or more.
    It's a centuries-old way of reference without specifying gender,
    including for a single person.

    That's odd! Not a one of my grammar teachers from K to 12 ever
    mentioned that. It's only a thing that has emerged within the past
    two years.

    The "singular they" dates back to the 1300s and can be found in Chaucer, Shakespeare and Austen.

    The emphasis on gender identity is recent but not "the past two years."
    The American Psychological Association endorsed it in 2019, when it was Mirriam-Webster's "Word of the Year."

    Here's the bbc from 2015:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704

    In college from 2009:

    https://www.aacrao.org/events-training/event/2015/07/13/default-calendar/preferred-name-and-pronoun-at-the-university-of-vermont--how-we-did-it-and-what-we-ve-learned


    "In 2009, the University of Vermont became the first school to provide
    students the ability to enter a preferred name and pronoun in Banner."

    Back when i was in school, if you attached "they" with a singular
    verb, oune would get smacked down. If one were to say 'they is", that
    person would find themselves sitting in the corner of the classroom
    wearing a dunce cap.

    It still requires the correct verb. Dunce cap? Were you educated in The
    Little House on the Prairie?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 7 11:30:48 2023
    On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 9:01:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/7/23 4:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/6/23 3:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 10:59:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/5/23 6:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    Why Do *Some* Transgender People Use The Pronoun They -
    Sdlgbtn

    The point is to *not* specify gender.

    "It" works fine
    Except for the de-humanizing.
    "They" conveys a duality, or more.
    It's a centuries-old way of reference without specifying gender,
    including for a single person.

    That's odd! Not a one of my grammar teachers from K to 12 ever
    mentioned that. It's only a thing that has emerged within the past
    two years.
    The "singular they" dates back to the 1300s and can be found in Chaucer, Shakespeare and Austen.

    The emphasis on gender identity is recent but not "the past two years."
    The American Psychological Association endorsed it in 2019, when it was Mirriam-Webster's "Word of the Year."

    Here's the bbc from 2015:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704

    In college from 2009:

    https://www.aacrao.org/events-training/event/2015/07/13/default-calendar/preferred-name-and-pronoun-at-the-university-of-vermont--how-we-did-it-and-what-we-ve-learned


    "In 2009, the University of Vermont became the first school to provide students the ability to enter a preferred name and pronoun in Banner."
    Back when i was in school, if you attached "they" with a singular
    verb, oune would get smacked down. If one were to say 'they is", that person would find themselves sitting in the corner of the classroom wearing a dunce cap.
    It still requires the correct verb. Dunce cap? Were you educated in The Little House on the Prairie?


    They is not agreeable with all that.
    I are not agreeable also.

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