and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?Who?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talentWho?
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talentWho?
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more
than enough to explain low ratings.
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
And last year? And the year before?
It's a 5 year slump starting with the no standing for anthem BS and then BLM BS while China gets boot licked.
On 7/9/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more
than enough to explain low ratings.
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
And last year? And the year before?Also small market teams.
It's a 5 year slump starting with the no standing for anthem BS and then BLM BS while China gets boot licked.Small market teams don't make a difference but standing for the national anthem does? Maybe at *your* corner bar...
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/9/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more
than enough to explain low ratings.
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
AS usual you are completey FULL OF SHIT and a LYING ASSHOLEAnd last year? And the year before?Also small market teams.
It's a 5 year slump starting with the no standing for anthem BS and then BLM BS while China gets boot licked.Small market teams don't make a difference but standing for the national anthem does? Maybe at *your* corner bar...
Small market championships
Ten years ago, even 65% smaller market teams than in 2023 beat current ratings by over 30%
2023
Denver 5,055,000
Miami 442,000
ratings, avg 11.5 million viewers
2013 and 2014
San Antonia 1,451,000
Miami 442,000
ratings,
2014 avg 14.0 million viewers
2103 avg 15,6 million viewers.
You really think the truth matters to him?
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talentWho?
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/9/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Also small market teams.
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more
than enough to explain low ratings.
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
And last year? And the year before?
It's a 5 year slump starting with the no standing for anthem BS and then BLM BS while China gets boot licked.Small market teams don't make a difference but standing for the national
anthem does? Maybe at *your* corner bar...
AS usual you are
Small market championships
Ten years ago, even 65% smaller market teams than in 2023 beat current ratings by over 30%
2023
Denver 5,055,000
Miami 442,000
ratings, avg 11.5 million viewers
2013 and 2014
San Antonia 1,451,000
Miami 442,000
ratings,
2014 avg 14.0 million viewers
2103 avg 15,6 million viewers.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talentWho?
and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
Good lordy, what malarkey'
A short series is not known until after it happens
I already debunked your small market claim
On 7/10/23 12:32 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent >>>>> and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.Who?
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than
enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!! >> https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
Good lordy, what malarkey'Which has more viewers, a seven-game series or a four-game series?
A short series is not known until after it happens
I already debunked your small market claimNo, you didn't.
Take it up with Sportico. No paywall:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-finals-ratings-hampered-short-223340493.html
On 7/9/23 5:28 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/9/23 10:28 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Also small market teams.
https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more
than enough to explain low ratings.
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
And last year? And the year before?
It's a 5 year slump starting with the no standing for anthem BS and then BLM BS while China gets boot licked.Small market teams don't make a difference but standing for the national >> anthem does? Maybe at *your* corner bar...
AS usual you areYou should clear your throat before you type.
Small market championships
Ten years ago, even 65% smaller market teams than in 2023 beat current ratings by over 30%
2023
Denver 5,055,000
Miami 442,000
ratings, avg 11.5 million viewers
2013 and 2014You'll find tv viewership is down in general.
San Antonia 1,451,000
Miami 442,000
ratings,
2014 avg 14.0 million viewers
2103 avg 15,6 million viewers.
https://www.spoilertv.com/2017/10/ratings-decline-how-much-do-ratings-go.html
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:09:53 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/10/23 12:32 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Which has more viewers, a seven-game series or a four-game series?
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent >>>>>>> and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.Who?
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media
entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than >>>>>> enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!! >>>> https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
Good lordy, what malarkey'
A short series is not known until after it happens
I already debunked your small market claimNo, you didn't.
Take it up with Sportico. No paywall:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-finals-ratings-hampered-short-223340493.html
I CERTAINLT DID you gaslighting MORON.
I showed you that smaller market teams
in 2013 and 2014 had much higher ratings.
You are the most stupid idiot have ever come across in my long life.
And that is exacerbated by your stubbornness.
On 7/10/23 12:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:09:53 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/10/23 12:32 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Which has more viewers, a seven-game series or a four-game series?
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent >>>>>>> and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.Who?
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media >>>>>> entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than >>>>>> enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
Good lordy, what malarkey'
A short series is not known until after it happens
I already debunked your small market claimNo, you didn't.
Take it up with Sportico. No paywall:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-finals-ratings-hampered-short-223340493.html
I CERTAINLT DID you gaslighting MORON.Nope. Apples to oranges due to the different sizes of the tv viewership.
I showed you that smaller market teamsAnd I showed you fewer people watch tv at all. Besides, Scott's time
in 2013 and 2014 had much higher ratings.
limit is five years and he blames the national anthem.
You are the most stupid idiot have ever come across in my long life.Facts are stubborn.
And that is exacerbated by your stubbornness.
On 7/10/23 12:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 9:09:53 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/10/23 12:32 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:17:07 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Which has more viewers, a seven-game series or a four-game series?
On 7/9/23 1:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/7/23 11:23 PM, ScottW wrote:https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2023/nba-finals-ratings-nuggets-heat-postseason-1234726144/
and now ESPN under Disney cans a whole bunch of their on-air talent >>>>>>> and hundreds more off-air in a massive cost cutting move.Who?
What do they have in common?
It ain't sports.
Both owned by Disney? There's been lots of job cuts in the media >>>>>> entertainment world recently, so, money?
An NBA final with teams from relatively small markets is more than >>>>>> enough to explain low ratings.
NBA finals are primarily of local interest YES THAT"S THE TICKET!!!!!!!!
Hed: NBA FINALS RATINGS HAMPERED BY SHORT SERIES, SMALL MARKETS
Good lordy, what malarkey'
A short series is not known until after it happens
I already debunked your small market claimNo, you didn't.
Take it up with Sportico. No paywall:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-finals-ratings-hampered-short-223340493.html
I CERTAINLT DID you gaslighting MORON.Nope. Apples to oranges due to the different sizes of the tv viewership.
I showed you that smaller market teamsAnd I showed you fewer people watch tv at all. Besides, Scott's time
in 2013 and 2014 had much higher ratings.
limit is five years and he blames the national anthem.
You are the most stupid idiot have ever come across in my long life.Facts are stubborn.
And that is exacerbated by your stubbornness.
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Facts are stubborn.
And they support my position and refute yours.
On 7/11/23 6:15 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Facts are stubborn.
And they support my position and refute yours.Your position is that small market teams don't affect ratings? And
"mine" was a sportico column headline.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/sports/basketball/nba-finals-to-test-small-market-thunders-national-appeal.html
The San Antonio Spurs were ratings flops when they won the 2003, 2005
and 2007 N.B.A. titles.
The Spurs were great, maybe dynastic. But they recorded the three lowest-rated N.B.A. finals since at least 1974 when they beat the Nets,
the Pistons and the Cavaliers, the least-watched with an average of 9.3 million viewers over four games.
Blame the size of the Spurs’ market, the fourth smallest in the league...
Now, another small-market team is in the N.B.A. finals after four years
in which no franchise came from an area smaller than the Orlando Magic’s (No. 19). This time, the Oklahoma City Thunder, the No. 44 television market, with 712,630 households — smaller even than San Antonio, which
is ranked 36th — will try to overcome their small-market disadvantage against the Miami Heat.
End quote.
How'd that come out?
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/2012-nba-finals-down-from-last-year-posts-best-five-game-average-since-2004/
Nice chart of ratings through the oughts. Views way down for Spurs-Nets 2003.
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 6:15 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/2012-nba-finals-down-from-last-year-posts-best-five-game-average-since-2004/
Nice chart of ratings through the oughts. Views way down for Spurs-Nets
2003.
The other half of the ecent finals were a large market team.
A small market team may have limited viewership in their small market during the season,
but in the finals, well, its the finals, and all across the USA, people are going to watch them.
Without regard to their home market'
For the finals, its a national viewership.
Its the finals, both teams are among the best, it doesn't matter where the home
market is.
On 7/11/23 11:02 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 6:15 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/2012-nba-finals-down-from-last-year-posts-best-five-game-average-since-2004/
Nice chart of ratings through the oughts. Views way down for Spurs-Nets >> 2003.
The other half of the ecent finals were a large market team.
A small market team may have limited viewership in their small market during the season,Then why are ratings lower for small team finals? Discussed here (2021):
but in the finals, well, its the finals, and all across the USA, people are going to watch them.
Without regard to their home market'
For the finals, its a national viewership.
Its the finals, both teams are among the best, it doesn't matter where the home
market is.
https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2021/07/27/the-nba-finals-ratings-were-down-does-it-even-matter/
Subhed: Triangulating on Reality – NBA ratings are up from 2019, but
down about 50% from 5 years ago.
How much are NBA ratings down compared to past seasons?
How much are NBA ratings down compared to other sports?
How much are sports ratings down compared to other content on linear TV?
We already answered the first question. The near-term trend is down
about 50%. Over the long term, NBA ratings peaked in the 1990s at about
30 million viewers per Finals. (Though there were less people in
America, so “ratings” are down even more.)
In other words, ratings and viewership are down across all sports on broadcast and cable TV. In many cases, the lowest on record, except for 2020’s terrible ratings.
But the last question really matters. In context, ratings are down for
all of linear TV. (Linear meaning TV delivered over-the-air, through
cable or through satellites. Through a box.) Thus, if all ratings are
down, but basketball’s ratings aren’t down by as much compared to scripted programming, then basketball is still valuable. Indeed, as I
and many others have covered before, sports are now essentially the most popular programs on linear TV. In 2018, 88 of the top 100 programs on TV were sports.
In sum, the NBA’s ratings are down compared to itself. But in the
context of a world where all sports are down, but non-sports programming
is down much, much more, the decline isn’t as bad.
End quote.
For the purposes of this thread, note that the national anthem and the Chinese go unmentioned.
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank
14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."'
On 7/11/23 11:02 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 6:15 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/2012-nba-finals-down-from-last-year-posts-best-five-game-average-since-2004/
Nice chart of ratings through the oughts. Views way down for Spurs-Nets >> 2003.
The other half of the ecent finals were a large market team.
A small market team may have limited viewership in their small market during the season,Then why are ratings lower for small team finals? Discussed here (2021):
but in the finals, well, its the finals, and all across the USA, people are going to watch them.
Without regard to their home market'
For the finals, its a national viewership.
Its the finals, both teams are among the best, it doesn't matter where the home
market is.
https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2021/07/27/the-nba-finals-ratings-were-down-does-it-even-matter/
Subhed: Triangulating on Reality – NBA ratings are up from 2019, but
down about 50% from 5 years ago.
How much are NBA ratings down compared to past seasons?
How much are NBA ratings down compared to other sports?
How much are sports ratings down compared to other content on linear TV?
We already answered the first question. The near-term trend is down
about 50%. Over the long term, NBA ratings peaked in the 1990s at about
30 million viewers per Finals. (Though there were less people in
America, so “ratings” are down even more.)
In other words, ratings and viewership are down across all sports on broadcast and cable TV. In many cases, the lowest on record, except for 2020’s terrible ratings.
But the last question really matters. In context, ratings are down for
all of linear TV. (Linear meaning TV delivered over-the-air, through
cable or through satellites. Through a box.) Thus, if all ratings are
down, but basketball’s ratings aren’t down by as much compared to scripted programming, then basketball is still valuable. Indeed, as I
and many others have covered before, sports are now essentially the most popular programs on linear TV. In 2018, 88 of the top 100 programs on TV were sports.
In sum, the NBA’s ratings are down compared to itself. But in the
context of a world where all sports are down, but non-sports programming
is down much, much more, the decline isn’t as bad.
End quote.
For the purposes of this thread, note that the national anthem and the Chinese go unmentioned.
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank
14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."
On 7/11/23 11:02 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 6:15 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 5:12:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/06/2012-nba-finals-down-from-last-year-posts-best-five-game-average-since-2004/
Nice chart of ratings through the oughts. Views way down for Spurs-Nets >> 2003.
The other half of the ecent finals were a large market team.
A small market team may have limited viewership in their small market during the season,Then why are ratings lower for small team finals? Discussed here (2021):
but in the finals, well, its the finals, and all across the USA, people are going to watch them.
Without regard to their home market'
For the finals, its a national viewership.
Its the finals, both teams are among the best, it doesn't matter where the home
market is.
https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2021/07/27/the-nba-finals-ratings-were-down-does-it-even-matter/
Subhed: Triangulating on Reality – NBA ratings are up from 2019, but
down about 50% from 5 years ago.
How much are NBA ratings down compared to past seasons?
How much are NBA ratings down compared to other sports?
How much are sports ratings down compared to other content on linear TV?
We already answered the first question. The near-term trend is down
about 50%. Over the long term, NBA ratings peaked in the 1990s at about
30 million viewers per Finals. (Though there were less people in
America, so “ratings” are down even more.)
In other words, ratings and viewership are down across all sports on broadcast and cable TV. In many cases, the lowest on record, except for 2020’s terrible ratings.
But the last question really matters. In context, ratings are down for
all of linear TV. (Linear meaning TV delivered over-the-air, through
cable or through satellites. Through a box.) Thus, if all ratings are
down, but basketball’s ratings aren’t down by as much compared to scripted programming, then basketball is still valuable. Indeed, as I
and many others have covered before, sports are now essentially the most popular programs on linear TV. In 2018, 88 of the top 100 programs on TV were sports.
In sum, the NBA’s ratings are down compared to itself. But in the
context of a world where all sports are down, but non-sports programming
is down much, much more, the decline isn’t as bad.
End quote.
For the purposes of this thread, note that the national anthem and the Chinese go unmentioned.
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank
14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA
finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down
6 percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings
were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami
rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market
size - and a short series."
Ridiculous Miami is not that small. and Ft Lauderdale and West
Palm Beach are right next to it. Thats like measuring Minneapolis
without St Paul, or Dallas witjout Ft Worth. or New York City without
he rest of Long Island and nearby New Jersey
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
The series ratings
were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami
rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market
size - and a short series."
From Wiki 6.14 MILLION!!!!!!!
With a population of 442,241 as of the 2020 census, it is the
second-most populous city in the state of Florida after Jacksonville.
It is the core of the much larger Miami metropolitan area, which,
with a population of 6.14 million, is the third-largest metro in the Southeast and ninth-largest in the United States.
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The
primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were
affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank
14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."'
I told you this before!!!
People don't know in advance its going to be a short series.
That does not affect per game averages
which are way down over the past ten years
On 7/11/23 1:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA
finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down
6 percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings
were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami
rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market
size - and a short series."
Ridiculous Miami is not that small. and Ft Lauderdale and WestYou'll find the rankings are by metro area.
Palm Beach are right next to it. Thats like measuring Minneapolis
without St Paul, or Dallas witjout Ft Worth. or New York City without
he rest of Long Island and nearby New Jersey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
New York (#1)
Los Angeles (#2)
Chicago (#3)
Philadelphia (#4)
Dallas-Fort Worth (#5)
Atlanta (#6)
Houston (#7)
Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#8)
Boston (Manchester) (#9)
San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#10)
Phoenix (Prescott) (#11)
Seattle-Tacoma (#12)
Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota) (#13)
Detroit (#14)
Minneapolis-St. Paul (#15)
Denver (#16)
Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#17)
Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#18)
Hmm. Even worse than the oregonlive quote. Which of the larger markets
do you think should be ranked lower?
On 7/11/23 1:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA
finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down
6 percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings
were affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami
rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market
size - and a short series."
Ridiculous Miami is not that small. and Ft Lauderdale and WestYou'll find the rankings are by metro area.
Palm Beach are right next to it. Thats like measuring Minneapolis
without St Paul, or Dallas witjout Ft Worth. or New York City without
he rest of Long Island and nearby New Jersey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
New York (#1)
Los Angeles (#2)
Chicago (#3)
Philadelphia (#4)
Dallas-Fort Worth (#5)
Atlanta (#6)
Houston (#7)
Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#8)
Boston (Manchester) (#9)
San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#10)
Phoenix (Prescott) (#11)
Seattle-Tacoma (#12)
Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota) (#13)
Detroit (#14)
Minneapolis-St. Paul (#15)
Denver (#16)
Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#17)
Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#18)
On 7/11/23 1:46 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The >> primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were
affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank >> 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."'
I told you this before!!!That's why the ratings are done after the event.
People don't know in advance its going to be a short series.
That does not affect per game averagesYes, please distinguish between series viewership and game viewership.
which are way down over the past ten years
When fewer people watch and there are fewer games, ratings will be down either way.
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
You'll find the rankings are by metro area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
Hmm. Even worse than the oregonlive quote. Which of the larger
markets do you think should be ranked lower?
Miami metro ... a 2020 population of
6,138,333.
The Washington metropolitan area ...
estimated total population of 6,385,162 as of the 2020 U.S. Census,
making it the sixth-largest
Phoenix, number 11, is less than Miami As of the 2020 census...
Number 9 Boston is smaller than Miami...
I didn't check any others, as I feel that I already have proved my
point
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:26:11 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 1:46 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:That's why the ratings are done after the event.
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA finals?" The >>>> primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also, too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down 6
percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series ratings were >>>> affected by the lack of large market teams - Denver and Miami rank rank >>>> 14th and 16th, respectively, among NBA cities in market size - and a
short series."'
I told you this before!!!
People don't know in advance its going to be a short series.
That does not affect per game averagesYes, please distinguish between series viewership and game viewership.
which are way down over the past ten years
When fewer people watch and there are fewer games, ratings will be down
either way.
NOT PER GAME!!!!!
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down
On 7/11/23 1:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA
finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also,
too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
Thats a list of individual television stations.You'll find the rankings are by metro area.6 percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series
ratings were affected by the lack of large market teams -
Denver and Miami rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among
NBA cities in market size - and a short series."
Ridiculous Miami is not that small. and Ft Lauderdale and West
Palm Beach are right next to it. Thats like measuring
Minneapolis without St Paul, or Dallas witjout Ft Worth. or New
York City without he rest of Long Island and nearby New Jersey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
New York (#1)...
Quite irrelevant when comparing NATIONAL viewership if NBA finals.
The Metro population is the best measure of the fan base for that
team'
all in all irrelevant when discussing national interest in the
championship series what matters is hat the best are playing the
best. The national audience isn't losing interest because San Antonio
is a small city, Its the team and the players. IF they are interested
in NBA at all.
On 7/11/23 2:32 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:"The five-game series averaged about 11.64 million viewers, down
On 7/11/23 1:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 2:16:08 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
The question is "why were ratings down for this year's NBA
finals?" The primary answer: lower viewership overall. Also,
too:
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2023/06/nba-finals-2023-tv-ratings-down-compared-to-2022-but-overall-playoff-ratings-up.html
No, it's not. It's a "List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market"Thats a list of individual television stations.You'll find the rankings are by metro area.6 percent from 12.4 million for the 2022 Finals. The series
ratings were affected by the lack of large market teams -
Denver and Miami rank rank 14th and 16th, respectively, among
NBA cities in market size - and a short series."
Ridiculous Miami is not that small. and Ft Lauderdale and West
Palm Beach are right next to it. Thats like measuring
Minneapolis without St Paul, or Dallas witjout Ft Worth. or New
York City without he rest of Long Island and nearby New Jersey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
New York (#1)...
Quite irrelevant when comparing NATIONAL viewership if NBA finals.Look at the subject line: NBA ... finals *ratings*
The Metro population is the best measure of the fan base for that
team'
all in all irrelevant when discussing national interest in the championship series what matters is hat the best are playing theTexas has two other teams to divide its loyalties.
best. The national audience isn't losing interest because San Antonio
is a small city, Its the team and the players. IF they are interested
in NBA at all.
I wouldn't call this authoritative, but:
https://franchisesports.co.uk/best-nba-fans-ranked-best-worst-loudest-smallest/
24. Nuggets
The Denver Nuggets fall into the bunch of franchises who are unable to
fill the arena, even when the team is playing well.
The arena does get loud for games, although nothing compared to the
loudest NBA fanbases. Denver also has one of the lowest social media followings in the league.
9. Spurs
A fanbase that has had plenty to celebrate the last two decades, the
Spurs fanbase is one of the largest in the league for being a small
market team.
8. Heat
The Miami Heat have one of the highest attendance percentages in the NBA over the last decade, averaging more than 100% capacity most seasons.
Miami also has one of the largest social media followings which includes
4.9 million Twitter followers.
Miami also has one of the largest social media followings which includes 4.9 million Twitter followers.Thanks for confirming[sic] my point.
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies elsewhere,
like promoting woke political and social positions.
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:54:55 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 2:32 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
all in all irrelevant when discussing national interest in theTexas has two other teams to divide its loyalties.
championship series what matters is hat the best are playing the
best. The national audience isn't losing interest because San Antonio
is a small city, Its the team and the players. IF they are interested
in NBA at all.
I wouldn't call this authoritative, but:
https://franchisesports.co.uk/best-nba-fans-ranked-best-worst-loudest-smallest/
9. Spurs
8. Heat
Thanks for confirming my point.
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies elsewhere,
like promoting woke political and social positions.
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average
viewers per game tuning in
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average
viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average
viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.Yes, keep reading for the finals.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.I'm what now?
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average
viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year. >> I'm what now?
Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?
On 7/12/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average >>>> viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.I'm what now?
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?It's good you had the word 'lie' in there as it fits Scott's claim.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions. >>>>>
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average >>>> viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.I'm what now?
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
I'll take that as your surrender.Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?It's good you had the word 'lie' in there as it fits Scott's claim.
As you are carrying a white flag, I'll stop beating you up.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It's good you had the word 'lie' in there as it fits Scott's claim.
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies
elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions.
[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average >>>>>> viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.I'm what now?
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?
I'll take that as your surrender.
As you are carrying a white flag, I'll stop beating you up.
On 7/13/23 10:53 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It's good you had the word 'lie' in there as it fits Scott's claim.
On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies >>>>>>>> elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions. >>>>>>>[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average >>>>>> viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5.Why, yes, you could.
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.I'm what now?
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?
I'll take that as your surrender.You haven't even made a point to win let alone defended it.
As you are carrying a white flag, I'll stop beating you up.You are crowing as if you've won, but you haven't. Show where I tried
"to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year."
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:53 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:07:09 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:18:38 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 7/12/23 10:55 AM, ScottW wrote:It's good you had the word 'lie' in there as it fits Scott's claim.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 7:17 AM, mINE109 wrote:Yes, keep reading for the finals.
On 7/11/23 8:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
the explanation for lower ratings championship ratings lies >>>>>>>> elsewhere, like promoting woke political and social positions. >>>>>>>[Y]ou and Scott have brought no evidence at all to blame
"wokeness" for low ratings.
Evidence, y'all:
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/nba-playoffs-finals-2023-tv-viewership-ratings-abc-espn-tnt-social-media/
Hed: NBA playoffs set new five-year ratings high with 5.47m average >>>>>> viewers per game tuning in
That's the playoffs.....and the most in a 5 year slump is hardly bragging rights.
You could almost say that about the finals as 3rd best in last 5. >>>> Why, yes, you could.I'm what now?
Here's reality. For a decade going back from 2018 the NBA typically cracked 10M avg/finals game.
Now you're trying to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year.
Are you ready to lie down and die, or do we have to keep beating you up some more?
In another thread, about two weeks ago, you claimed to not be interested in sports.I'll take that as your surrender.You haven't even made a point to win let alone defended it.
As you are carrying a white flag, I'll stop beating you up.You are crowing as if you've won, but you haven't. Show where I tried
"to brag that 6M (3rd best in the last 5) is a good year."
That thread was about your cable tv watching preferences.
I take your lack of interest to mean that you don't follow sports and you don't watch
sports, and that you know next to nothing about sports.
Nor do you know anything about televising sports.
And we already know, from your posting record,
that you are entirely ignorant of business and economics.
So the best thing you can do is run away and hide
or start posting about something you actually know,
such as music theory and composition.
In another thread, about two weeks ago, you claimed to not be interested in sports.
That thread was about your cable tv watching preferences.
I take your lack of interest to mean that you don't follow sports and you don't watch
sports, and that you know next to nothing about sports.
Nor do you know anything about televising sports.
And we already know, from your posting record,
that you are entirely ignorant of business and economics.
So the best thing you can do is run away and hide
or start posting about something you actually know,
such as music theory and composition.
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.On a friendly note, I like Columbo, but I don't remember that episode.
But I recently saw one that had both Bruno (George) KIrby
and George Kirby, Jr. in it.
The senior Kirby was a somewhat regular who played Columbo's sargeant. Patrick McGoohan was the bad guy.
You might like the series "Poker Face" on Peacock streaming
it is headed towards season 2
It pays homage to Columbo and the lead female has a lot of
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-4, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.On a friendly note, I like Columbo, but I don't remember that episode.
But I recently saw one that had both Bruno (George) KIrby
and George Kirby, Jr. in it.
The senior Kirby was a somewhat regular who played Columbo's sargeant. Patrick McGoohan was the bad guy.
You might like the series "Poker Face" on Peacock streaming
it is headed towards season 2
It pays homage to Columbo and the lead female has a lot ofColumbo's idiosyncrasies and even an approximation of his vocal mannerisms.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy
Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.
On a friendly note, I like Columbo, but I don't remember that episode.
But I recently saw one that had both Bruno (George) KIrby
and George Kirby, Jr. in it.
The senior Kirby was a somewhat regular who played Columbo's sargeant. Patrick McGoohan was the bad guy.
You might like the series "Poker Face" on Peacock streaming
it is headed towards season 2
It pays homage to Columbo and the lead female has alot of
COLUMB SIES, AND EVEN A REPRESENTAION OF HIS
On 7/14/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy
Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.
On a friendly note, I like Columbo, but I don't remember that episode.It was the football team owner one, with guest victim Dean Stockwell.
But I recently saw one that had both Bruno (George) KIrbySo many good tv character actors on this series. James Gregory had an outstanding scene without being at all showy. Deceptively natural.
and George Kirby, Jr. in it.
The senior Kirby was a somewhat regular who played Columbo's sargeant. Patrick McGoohan was the bad guy.
You might like the series "Poker Face" on Peacock streaming
it is headed towards season 2
It pays homage to Columbo and the lead female has alot ofYes, I saw it and agree. Definite call-back intent, including the voice
COLUMB SIES, AND EVEN A REPRESENTAION OF HIS
and the fonts for the credits.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 1:49:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/14/23 11:56 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:17:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It was the football team owner one, with guest victim Dean Stockwell.
On 7/13/23 9:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I was surprised to see real-life Lakers, including Pat Riley and Happy >>>> Hairston, on a rerun of Columbo the other day.
On a friendly note, I like Columbo, but I don't remember that episode.
But I recently saw one that had both Bruno (George) KIrbySo many good tv character actors on this series. James Gregory had an
and George Kirby, Jr. in it.
The senior Kirby was a somewhat regular who played Columbo's sargeant.
Patrick McGoohan was the bad guy.
outstanding scene without being at all showy. Deceptively natural.
You might like the series "Poker Face" on Peacock streamingYes, I saw it and agree. Definite call-back intent, including the voice
it is headed towards season 2
It pays homage to Columbo and the lead female has alot of
COLUMB SIES, AND EVEN A REPRESENTAION OF HIS
and the fonts for the credits.
Which Jams Gregory?
actor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1q60QOX3Fw
Which Jams Gregory?
mINE109 wrote:Now I have to look at it... Ack. It's self-evident that guy didn't act
I thought Sacktard would love that clip of the portly comic. The bit he was running gave a big shout-out to the MAGA tribe.
Which Jams Gregory?
mINE109 wrote:
Which Jams Gregory?
I thought Sacktard would love that clip of the portly comic. The bit he was running gave a big shout-out to the MAGA tribe.
I thought Sacktard would love that clip of the portly comic. The bit he was running gave a big shout-out to the MAGA tribe.that is, ordinary Americans in the fruited plains.
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