"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," Mainor told Fox News Digital
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs children who have a different perspective.
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," Mainor told Fox News Digital
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take everyone while private schools don't.
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >> children who have a different perspective.
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," >>> Mainor told Fox News Digital
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without >>> having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >>>> children who have a different perspective.
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," >>>>> Mainor told Fox News Digital
everyone while private schools don't.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >>>> children who have a different perspective.
Mainor told Fox News Digital
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
everyone while private schools don't.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
you woke ass dufus'
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >>>> children who have a different perspective.
Mainor told Fox News Digital
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
everyone while private schools don't.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:06:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," >>>>>>> Mainor told Fox News DigitalSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >>>>>> children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
everyone while private schools don't.
So, then the Golden Delicious have to rot in the same barrel with the Rotting Green ones?
Typical Commie Socialist one size fits all race to the bottom, the lowest common denominator,
The agenda that pushes the idea that fairness requires that if not everybody can succeed, nobody should
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without
"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me," >>>>>>> Mainor told Fox News DigitalSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs >>>>>> children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
everyone while private schools don't.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
On 7/12/23 9:41 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:06:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
So, then the Golden Delicious have to rot in the same barrel with the Rotting Green ones?A rising tide lifts all boats.
Typical Commie Socialist one size fits all race to the bottom, the lowest common denominator,
The agenda that pushes the idea that fairness requires that if not everybody can succeed, nobody should
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs. >>>
On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.So they can send their kids to private schools.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't. >>>
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
So they can send their kids to the schools of their choice.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:34:31 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't. >>>
On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take >>>>>>>> everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children in >>>>>>>>>>> support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"So "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult.
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
and many of those private schools are making a profit for providing better results.
there is not a thing in the world wrong with that.
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option.
Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.
On 7/13/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult. >>>>>>>> They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
So they can send their kids to the schools of their choice.You understand zero sum arguments.
On 7/13/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult. >>>>>>>> They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
So they can send their kids to the schools of their choice.You understand zero sum arguments.
On 7/13/23 11:06 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:34:31 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:04 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:17:38 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So they can send their kids to private schools.
On 7/12/23 6:20 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/23 1:00 PM, Art Sackman wrote:And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/23 10:57 AM, ScottW wrote:I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:29:29 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/23 10:35 PM, ScottW wrote:everyone while private schools don't.
Special needs children education can be addressed through vouchers without"When I decided to stand up on behalf of disadvantaged children inSo "school vouchers" equals "moral"? There are parents of special needs
support of school choice, my Democrat colleagues didn’t stand by me,"
Mainor told Fox News Digital
children who have a different perspective.
having to turn every other kid into a special needs adult. >>>>>>>> They typically don't address those needs. Public schools have to take
https://www.ncld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voucher-brief-in-LJ-template.pdf
One size does not fit all.
https://www.special-education-degree.net/20-best-private-special-needs-schools-u-s/
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
and many of those private schools are making a profit for providing better results.
there is not a thing in the world wrong with that.
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option. Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.If that's your goal, you've done a terrible job letting it get to this state.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 10:44 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
You understand zero sum arguments.So they can send their kids to private schools.And we don't need the government to subsidize private schools that don't.I didn't say there were no private schools that accommodate special needs.
And we certainly don't need every private school to offer such accommodations.
You don't understand....we're not subsidizing private schools, we're subsidizing parents and students.
So they can send their kids to the schools of their choice.
How is it zero sum if some of more kids actually learn what they are supposed to learn,
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:42:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 11:06 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option.If that's your goal, you've done a terrible job letting it get to
Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.
this state.
LOL!!!!!
I don't run school systems. Liberal progressives run the failing
school systems. Democrats are in charge of Baltimore, LA, Chicago, Philadelphia. etc. schools, where FAILURE is the grand result
On 7/13/23 9:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:42:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 11:06 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option.If that's your goal, you've done a terrible job letting it get to
Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.
this state.
LOL!!!!!
I don't run school systems. Liberal progressives run the failinghttps://www.axios.com/2021/09/14/school-boundary-gis-segregated-1930s-redlining
school systems. Democrats are in charge of Baltimore, LA, Chicago, Philadelphia. etc. schools, where FAILURE is the grand result
Enjoy calling out the New Deal racism!
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:27:00 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:42:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:https://www.axios.com/2021/09/14/school-boundary-gis-segregated-1930s-redlining
On 7/13/23 11:06 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option.If that's your goal, you've done a terrible job letting it get to
Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.
this state.
LOL!!!!!
I don't run school systems. Liberal progressives run the failing
school systems. Democrats are in charge of Baltimore, LA, Chicago,
Philadelphia. etc. schools, where FAILURE is the grand result
Enjoy calling out the New Deal racism!
Failed urban schools are YOUR legacy.
So, you are advocating busing. Back to busing. Electric of course.
Preferably yellow, to keep Kamala happy.
Of course you remember white flight,
White suburban parents weren't enamored of sending their
kids to failing inner city schools.
Black urban parents are no less happy that their kids
are trapped there.
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:27:00 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/13/23 9:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:42:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:https://www.axios.com/2021/09/14/school-boundary-gis-segregated-1930s-redlining
On 7/13/23 11:06 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
the point is to educate our children. Failure is not an option.If that's your goal, you've done a terrible job letting it get to
Particularly in minority and disadvantaged communities.
this state.
LOL!!!!!
I don't run school systems. Liberal progressives run the failing
school systems. Democrats are in charge of Baltimore, LA, Chicago,
Philadelphia. etc. schools, where FAILURE is the grand result
Enjoy calling out the New Deal racism!
Failed urban schools are YOUR legacy.Uh, no. Even if FDR had to make a deal with southern racists to get the
New Deal passed, it's still a racist legacy.
So, you are advocating busing. Back to busing. Electric of course. Preferably yellow, to keep Kamala happy.When did I do that? If you're proposing it, I'm willing to see how it
comes out.
Of course you remember white flight,No, they wanted to avoid mixing with minorities, leaving their schools
White suburban parents weren't enamored of sending their
kids to failing inner city schools.
to decline.
Black urban parents are no less happy that their kids
are trapped there.
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
Fine
But its not the same thing.
On 7/14/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
FineIt shows public schools are capable of innovation. Are Baltimore City schools are too segregated for this to work? One would just add the "socioeconomically disadvantaged census blocks" bit to the current
But its not the same thing.
lottery system to implement.
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:56:51 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/14/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It shows public schools are capable of innovation. Are Baltimore City
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
Fine
But its not the same thing.
schools are too segregated for this to work? One would just add the
"socioeconomically disadvantaged census blocks" bit to the current
lottery system to implement.
what a racist thing for you to say!
That something too black can't work.
No, it doesn't work for a number of reasons.
Ideological driven policies
Top heavy administration.
lack of accountability
social promotions of failing students
lack of discipline
social problems in the community such as the breakdown of family, absent fathers, drug addiction, gangs, bad parenting.
On 7/15/23 9:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:56:51 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/14/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It shows public schools are capable of innovation. Are Baltimore City
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
Fine
But its not the same thing.
schools are too segregated for this to work? One would just add the
"socioeconomically disadvantaged census blocks" bit to the current
lottery system to implement.
what a racist thing for you to say!If there's no white population, you can't desegregate. Leave the racism out.
That something too black can't work.
No, it doesn't work for a number of reasons.Name calling.
Ideological driven policies
Top heavy administration.
How is that different?
lack of accountability
Don't they have elections?
social promotions of failing studentsNot a problem unique to Baltimore.
lack of discipline
The eternal complaint.
social problems in the community such as the breakdown of family, absent fathers, drug addiction, gangs, bad parenting.Victim blaming.
None of these go away with vouchers.
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:04:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/15/23 9:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:56:51 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:If there's no white population, you can't desegregate. Leave the racism out. >>> No, it doesn't work for a number of reasons.
On 7/14/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It shows public schools are capable of innovation. Are Baltimore City
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
Fine
But its not the same thing.
schools are too segregated for this to work? One would just add the
"socioeconomically disadvantaged census blocks" bit to the current
lottery system to implement.
what a racist thing for you to say!
That something too black can't work.
Ideological driven policiesName calling.
You have lost your mind.
Pointing out ideology is not name calling
And you do that all the time.
Top heavy administration.
How is that different?
Private schools are leaner
and most other public school districts are leaner
Howard County, a top 5 national district, is leaner.
lack of accountability
Don't they have elections?
politicos and administrators hide things from the electorate.
social promotions of failing studentsNot a problem unique to Baltimore.
Baltimore is not the only failed urban school system.
lack of discipline
The eternal complaint.
The eternal problem.
social problems in the community such as the breakdown of family, absent >>> fathers, drug addiction, gangs, bad parenting.Victim blaming.
absent fathers, druggies, bad parents, and gangs ARE NOT VICTIMS!!!!!!!!! They are troublemakers that case problems
None of these go away with vouchers.
You are fucking NUTS!!
Social promotions, top heavy administration, lack of discipline, and lack of accountability disappear.
Social problems are mostly removed, as those that care enough
to take advantage of vouchers are the more responsible parents in the community.
On 7/15/23 10:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:04:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/15/23 9:27 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:56:51 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:If there's no white population, you can't desegregate. Leave the racism out.
On 7/14/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It shows public schools are capable of innovation. Are Baltimore City >>>> schools are too segregated for this to work? One would just add the >>>> "socioeconomically disadvantaged census blocks" bit to the current
On 7/14/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
so what do you do? instead of keeping black kids trapped in urban failed schools,They're doing this in Dallas:
and instead of private school vouchers which you abhor, just bus them to suburban schools,
a one way busing black urban kids in, white suburban kids stay where they are?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/04/dallas-school-system-white-flight
Fine
But its not the same thing.
lottery system to implement.
what a racist thing for you to say!
That something too black can't work.
No, it doesn't work for a number of reasons.Name calling.
Ideological driven policies
You have lost your mind.You're gaslighting.
Pointing out ideology is not name calling"Woke! Woke! Woke!"
And you do that all the time.Any organization has an ideology. Schools have educational ideologies.
Top heavy administration.
How is that different?
Private schools are leanerOh, really?
https://academicinfluence.com/inflection/college-life/overcoming-administrative-bloat
and most other public school districts are leanerPerhaps you missed this when I posted it a month ago:
Howard County, a top 5 national district, is leaner.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0312-project-baltimore-context-20230309-iux6httmn5c2vdhdh2wmokugxm-story.html
Baltimore City schools have a high cost per student, on par with other metropolitan areas such as New York City. However, this money isn’t equally distributed to schools in the system, and, unlike in New York, a significant portion (34%) of the budget goes to caring for homeless or economically disadvantaged youth through an allotment called the compensatory budget. If we break this funding down at the school level,
the $21,606 per student figure that Fox45 relies on tells a different
story. To get its number, Fox takes the school system’s entire $1.6 billion budget and divides by the total number of students in the city system. The amount actually spent per student is much lower...
Not only are the Baltimore City Schools underfunded by thousands of
dollars, but over a third of the money goes to survival services for students. This expenditure is missing or minimal in the budgets of the
high performing schools, meaning more money can be spent on Advanced Placement, International Baccalaureate or other specialized programs.
End quote.
When private schools have to spend 34% on "survival services" they'll
seem less lean, not to mention return-to-investor costs in for-profit schools.
lack of accountability
Don't they have elections?
politicos and administrators hide things from the electorate.Unlike the transparency of businesses.
social promotions of failing studentsNot a problem unique to Baltimore.
Baltimore is not the only failed urban school system.Yes, that's what that means. Of course, some states have outlawed social promotion. Wasn't that the bugbear twenty years ago?
lack of discipline
The eternal complaint.
The eternal problem.
social problems in the community such as the breakdown of family, absent >>> fathers, drug addiction, gangs, bad parenting.Victim blaming.
absent fathers, druggies, bad parents, and gangs ARE NOT VICTIMS!!!!!!!!! They are troublemakers that case problemsGo listen to "In the Ghetto" on repeat until you get it.
None of these go away with vouchers.
You are fucking NUTS!!Take all the responsible parents out of the public schools, and what
Social promotions, top heavy administration, lack of discipline, and lack of
accountability disappear.
Social problems are mostly removed, as those that care enough
to take advantage of vouchers are the more responsible parents in the community.
happens to public schools?
What if you took that voucher money and just gave it to parents without defunding schools?
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Take all the responsible parents out of the public schools, and
what happens to public schools?
I can't imagine them getting worse than they already are.
Charter schools expel low performers.
Charter schools expel disruptive students.
There are charter and private schools for special needs kids.
What if you took that voucher money and just gave it to parents
without defunding schools?
I am not for defunding public schools.
I just want the money to be spent wisely and efficiently, and I want
to see results of increased student proficiency.
I just want the money to be spent wisely and efficiently, and I wantAll for that.
to see results of increased student proficiency.
On 7/16/23 5:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Take all the responsible parents out of the public schools, and
what happens to public schools?
I can't imagine them getting worse than they already are.
Charter schools expel low performers.
Charter schools expel disruptive students.And low performers are disruptive. hate crime.
There are charter and private schools for special needs kids.All can be selective.
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/16/23 5:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:And low performers are disruptive. hate crime.
Take all the responsible parents out of the public schools, and
what happens to public schools?
I can't imagine them getting worse than they already are.
Charter schools expel low performers.
Charter schools expel disruptive students.
There are charter and private schools for special needs kids.All can be selective.
ewh! "selective" the magic bad word. It sends you into cataclysmic gyrations. Marxists Socialists view that as a toxic
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally,
that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't prevent other from getting a better education.
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake about Marxism, btw.
https://medium.com/@aleftwanderer/does-marxism-call-for-equality-of-outcome-47327d07b105
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't prevent other from getting a better education.
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake about Marxism, btw.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
prevent other from getting a better education.
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, >>> that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake
about Marxism, btw.
https://medium.com/@aleftwanderer/does-marxism-call-for-equality-of-outcome-47327d07b105
It's the RESULT, not the call
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
prevent other from getting a better education.
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, >>> that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake
about Marxism, btw.
Then stop disparaging wealth. Wealth is the engine creates prosperity.
When I was a young liberal, we were focused on and concerned about the underprivileged.
Nowadays, liberals rage against the privileged. And not do much for the underprivileged. Their suffering is even greater now, drug addiction, homelessness,
mental health issues, crime victims, and horrible public education.
On 7/17/23 5:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
prevent other from getting a better education.
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, >>> that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake >> about Marxism, btw.
https://medium.com/@aleftwanderer/does-marxism-call-for-equality-of-outcome-47327d07b105
It's the RESULT, not the callSorry, you're just moving the goalposts and arguing by reading the URL
but not following the link. Marxism doesn't result in equality of
outcome either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome
*Conflation with Marxism, socialism and communism*
...the real content of the proletarian demand for equality is the demand
for the abolition of classes. Any demand for equality which goes beyond that, of necessity, passes into absurdity.
— Frederick Engels, "Anti-Dühring" (1877)
The German economist and philosopher Karl Marx and his collaborator Frederick Engels are sometimes mistakenly characterized as egalitarians,
and the economic systems of socialism and communism are sometimes misconstrued as being based on equality of outcome. In reality, both
Marx and Engels eschewed the entire concept of equality as an abstract
and idealistic bourgeois aspiration, focusing their analysis on more concrete issues such as the laws of motion of capitalism and
exploitation based on economic and materialist logic. Marx renounced theorizing on moral concepts and refrained from advocating principles of justice. Marx's views on equality were informed by his analysis of the development of the productive forces in society.
...In Marxist theory, communism is based on a principle whereby access
to goods and services is based on free and open access (often referred
to as distribution based on one's needs); Marx stressed free access to
the articles of consumption.[18] Hence the "equality" in a communist
society is not about total equality or equality of outcome, but about
equal and free access to the articles of consumption.[19] Marx argued
that free access to consumption would enable individuals to overcome alienation.
On 7/17/23 5:55 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.?
yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
prevent other from getting a better education.
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, >>> that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake >> about Marxism, btw.
Then stop disparaging wealth. Wealth is the engine creates prosperity.I see you've had time to dig yourself in deeper. No, prosperity is the engine that creates wealth.
When I was a young liberal, we were focused on and concerned about the underprivileged.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act
Nowadays, liberals rage against the privileged. And not do much for the underprivileged. Their suffering is even greater now, drug addiction, homelessness,
mental health issues, crime victims, and horrible public education.
And you're exaggerating the problems. Calling science!
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06137-x
Abstract
Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is
declining. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n = 12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this
for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations. Next, we show that people’s reports
of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion. Finally,
we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established
psychological phenomena (biased exposure to information and biased
memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the
circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the
respondent was born). Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced.
This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of
scarce resources, the underuse of social support and social influence.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:09:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 5:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Sorry, you're just moving the goalposts and arguing by reading the URL
On 7/17/23 11:57 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, your framing is incorrect. The duty to accept all students doesn't >>>> prevent other from getting a better education.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.? >>>>>yes, a great idea, and not Marxist, so, what's the problem?
Somehow, that public schools have to accept the difficult students,
that is supposed to prevent the more amenable students
from getting a better education?
The Marxist part of your agenda is that everybody should suffer equally, >>>>> that nobody be afforded a better publicly funded alternative.No one said "everybody should suffer equally." That's an common mistake >>>> about Marxism, btw.
https://medium.com/@aleftwanderer/does-marxism-call-for-equality-of-outcome-47327d07b105
It's the RESULT, not the call
but not following the link. Marxism doesn't result in equality of
outcome either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome
you cite THEORY
the real world results are a race to the bottom and the 'massive masses' coalescing at the lowest common denominator.
Prosperity is created by capital investment, which requires a collection of wealth.
and not only kick starting prosperity, it keeps prosperity rolling. CAPITALISM works
MARXISM is failure
On 7/17/23 11:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Prosperity is created by capital investment, which requires a collection of wealth.Prosperity is a quality that belongs to the nation or society overall
and not only kick starting prosperity, it keeps prosperity rolling. CAPITALISM works
MARXISM is failure
while wealth accrues to individuals. Wealth for some does not mean prosperity for all.
Capitalism unchecked leads to oligarchy, environmental destruction and economic inequality. Since all of those are present, capitalism indeed "works."
The online cliche would be to ask if MARXISM is in the room with you
now. It definitely is not in public schools.
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:54:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Prosperity is created by capital investment, which requires a collection of wealth.Prosperity is a quality that belongs to the nation or society overall
and not only kick starting prosperity, it keeps prosperity rolling.
CAPITALISM works
MARXISM is failure
while wealth accrues to individuals. Wealth for some does not mean
prosperity for all.
Capitalism unchecked leads to oligarchy, environmental destruction and
economic inequality. Since all of those are present, capitalism indeed
"works."
The online cliche would be to ask if MARXISM is in the room with you
now. It definitely is not in public schools.
And neither is readin', writin, 'n' 'rithmtic
You ae a MORON, of course Marxism is not being taught to students as a course of study.
It is implemented by administrators as a method of management.
Right. The US actually has a good educational system, if not the highest ranking in every subject.
You ae a MORON, of course
Marxism is not being taught to students as a course of study.
It is implemented by administrators as a method of management.
https://viva.pressbooks.pub/foundationsofamericaneducation/chapter/chapter-3/
On 7/18/23 4:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:54:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/17/23 11:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Prosperity is created by capital investment, which requires a collection of wealth.Prosperity is a quality that belongs to the nation or society overall
and not only kick starting prosperity, it keeps prosperity rolling.
CAPITALISM works
MARXISM is failure
while wealth accrues to individuals. Wealth for some does not mean
prosperity for all.
Capitalism unchecked leads to oligarchy, environmental destruction and
economic inequality. Since all of those are present, capitalism indeed
"works."
The online cliche would be to ask if MARXISM is in the room with you
now. It definitely is not in public schools.
And neither is readin', writin, 'n' 'rithmticRight. The US actually has a good educational system, if not the highest ranking in every subject.
You ae a MORON, of course Marxism is not being taught to students as a course of study.https://viva.pressbooks.pub/foundationsofamericaneducation/chapter/chapter-3/
It is implemented by administrators as a method of management.
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:49:01 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/18/23 4:42 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:54:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Right. The US actually has a good educational system, if not the highest
On 7/17/23 11:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Prosperity is created by capital investment, which requires a collection of wealth.Prosperity is a quality that belongs to the nation or society overall
and not only kick starting prosperity, it keeps prosperity rolling.
CAPITALISM works
MARXISM is failure
while wealth accrues to individuals. Wealth for some does not mean
prosperity for all.
Capitalism unchecked leads to oligarchy, environmental destruction and >>>> economic inequality. Since all of those are present, capitalism indeed >>>> "works."
The online cliche would be to ask if MARXISM is in the room with you
now. It definitely is not in public schools.
And neither is readin', writin, 'n' 'rithmtic
ranking in every subject.
You ae a MORON, of course Marxism is not being taught to students as a course of study.https://viva.pressbooks.pub/foundationsofamericaneducation/chapter/chapter-3/
It is implemented by administrators as a method of management.
Your point being what?
FF got the point. Did you or Scott never take a 'foundations' course in college?
You're claiming a economic philosophical system is an educational
"method of management" based on a misunderstanding of "equality of outcome."
FF got the point. Did you or Scott never take a 'foundations'
course in college?
No
WIKI
"A foundation course is a preparatory course for university-level art
and design education, used particularly in the United Kingdom.
You're claiming a economic philosophical system is an educational
"method of management" based on a misunderstanding of "equality of
outcome."
You are saying that philosophical systems have no practical
applications. That is nonsense.
BTW, here is my educational foundation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_programs_in_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimer_Great_Books_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimer_College_Core_Program
Note the comparison to Oxford. I also spent a year studying at Oxford University
On 7/19/23 12:45 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
FF got the point. Did you or Scott never take a 'foundations'
course in college?
No
WIKI
"A foundation course is a preparatory course for university-level artMore broad.
and design education, used particularly in the United Kingdom.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/foundation-course#
"[A] college or university course that introduces students to a subject
and prepares them for studying it at a higher level" ie
https://www.coursera.org/specializations/foundations-management
"Foundations of Management Specialization"
That could be part of an MBA.
A graduate foundations course might include the history of the study of
the subject, philosophical underpinnings, key figures, etc.
You're claiming a economic philosophical system is an educational
"method of management" based on a misunderstanding of "equality of
outcome."
You are saying that philosophical systems have no practicalThe practical application of Marxism is not "educational management."
applications. That is nonsense.
BTW, here is my educational foundation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_programs_in_CanadaI remember St John's in the US.
https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/undergraduate/great-books-reading-list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimer_Great_Books_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimer_College_Core_Program
Interesting. I'm happy to recognize the titles, but didn't have occasion
to read any of them although I've gathered an distant understanding of
some. I applaud the emphasis on original source material.
Note the comparison to Oxford. I also spent a year studying at Oxford UniversitySadly, "Great Books" is now tainted by association with such enemies of knowledge as Hillsdale College
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:12:39 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Sadly, "Great Books" is now tainted by association with such enemies of
knowledge as Hillsdale College
Hillsdale is NOT an enemy of knowledge. It is the enemy of Marxist woke progressivism.
Shimer was similar to St John's. Not as stridently classic.
I think that at St.John's one had to learn Greek.
On 7/16/23 10:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:30:54 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/16/23 5:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 2:38:44 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:And low performers are disruptive. hate crime.
Take all the responsible parents out of the public schools, and
what happens to public schools?
I can't imagine them getting worse than they already are.
Charter schools expel low performers.
Charter schools expel disruptive students.
There are charter and private schools for special needs kids.All can be selective.
ewh! "selective" the magic bad word. It sends you into cataclysmic gyrations.Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
Marxists Socialists view that as a toxic
civics classes where they explained this stuff. Hint: not Marxist.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your
civics classes where they explained this stuff.
Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten yourNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
civics classes where they explained this stuff.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a special program is necessary to give them a chance.
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten yourNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
civics classes where they explained this stuff.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a special program is necessary to give them a chance.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten yourNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
civics classes where they explained this stuff.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
special program is necessary to give them a chance.
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten yourNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
civics classes where they explained this stuff.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
special program is necessary to give them a chance.
By removing disruptors from the classroom,
it actually gives the serious students the chance to succeed.
The disruptors really aren't interested in any more chances. They have
no skin in their own education.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:19:03 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >>>> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
No I would give them a voucher to start up a corner meth dealing stand. They could use it to buy a repurposed hot dog vending cart.
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
On 7/20/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
By removing disruptors from the classroom,
it actually gives the serious students the chance to succeed.
The disruptors really aren't interested in any more chances. They haveUntil they do. That program might give them the chance to change their ways.
no skin in their own education.
On 7/20/23 2:23 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:19:03 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
special program is necessary to give them a chance.
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
No I would give them a voucher to start up a corner meth dealing stand. They could use it to buy a repurposed hot dog vending cart.Yes, the bad faith reply beats Socrates every time.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:19:03 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >>>> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
Why would a parent put their kid in such a school?
You keep forgetting the whole point of vouchers. Give parents choice and create competition
and allow the failing schools to really fail and disappear...forever.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Until they do. That program might give them the chance to change
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you'veNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school
forgotten your civics classes where they explained this
stuff.
for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house
the disruptors and repeat violators. It's "programs" are 90%
home school and classrooms are little more than detention
centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
this case, a special program is necessary to give them a
chance.
By removing disruptors from the classroom, it actually gives the
serious students the chance to succeed.
The disruptors really aren't interested in any more chances. They
have no skin in their own education.
their ways.
I'm going to start a charter school. We'll bus your kids to mexico
where we can make sure they will behave. It's like the booming mexico
detox and rehab business where druggies can't "check themselves
out". I'll bet there are a lot of frustrated parents out there who
appreciate a more rigorously disciplined educational environment.
On 7/20/23 6:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:19:03 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
special program is necessary to give them a chance.
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
Why would a parent put their kid in such a school?When there's a chance to finish public school with a diploma?
On 7/20/23 6:54 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:25:31 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 2:19 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:10:42 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Until they do. That program might give them the chance to change
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you'veNot completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school
forgotten your civics classes where they explained this
stuff.
for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house
the disruptors and repeat violators. It's "programs" are 90%
home school and classrooms are little more than detention
centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
this case, a special program is necessary to give them a
chance.
By removing disruptors from the classroom, it actually gives the
serious students the chance to succeed.
The disruptors really aren't interested in any more chances. They
have no skin in their own education.
their ways.
I'm going to start a charter school. We'll bus your kids to mexicoHey! Just as I said in my previous reply.
where we can make sure they will behave. It's like the booming mexico detox and rehab business where druggies can't "check themselves
out". I'll bet there are a lot of frustrated parents out there who appreciate a more rigorously disciplined educational environment.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:37:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 6:51 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:19:03 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:When there's a chance to finish public school with a diploma?
On 7/20/23 1:33 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:10:42 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:So? Art would have them take a voucher to a no-show charter that would >>>> also "keep the state $$ for a warm seat" if they take them at all.
On 7/20/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 4:41:43 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's exactly what it means. They can't be turned away. In this case, a >>>>>> special program is necessary to give them a chance.
Public schools have to take everyone. Perhaps you've forgotten your >>>>>>>> civics classes where they explained this stuff.Not completely true. San Marcos Unified has a special school for the real shitheads.
https://foothillshigh.smusd.org/
Don't let the propaganda fool you....it's where they house the disruptors and repeat violators.
It's "programs" are 90% home school and classrooms are little more than detention centers.
I guess you can call that "taking everyone".
And keep the state $$ for a warm seat. F'ing joke.
Why would a parent put their kid in such a school?
Bingo.....Stephen stumbles upon why a bunch of high school grads
can't pass a teachers exam.
The root cause isn't the exam....it's at school and at home.
Maybe the relevance of Gertrude Stein to classroom teaching is the problem.
Maybe the relevance of Gertrude Stein to classroom teaching is the problem.
She was a big influence to Kamala Harris
On 7/21/23 4:10 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Maybe the relevance of Gertrude Stein to classroom teaching is the problem.
She was a big influence to Kamala HarrisThey both have Oakland connections.
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