They're just throwing our tax dollars away.
https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2023/07/18/guy-who-repeatedly-failed-to-pass-the-nyc-teachers-exam-gets-over-2m-for-failing-to-pass-the-teachers-exam-n778591
https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/nyc-bias-suit-black-hispanic-teachers-and-ex-teachers-rich/
This is insane. Someone...please appeal....and run that judge out of town.
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is presumably better than an urban public school!
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is
presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency exam.
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is
presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is
presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency exam.
On 7/19/23 2:17 PM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is
presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency exam.To be fair, I'll cite this paper which the authors claim to be the first
to examine charter school outcome, with a look at market innovation vs strategic behavior, "using two decades of data from the National Longitudinal School Database (NLSD), which includes nearly all districts
in the U.S. from school years 1995 to 2016."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED622023.pdf
"The Combined Effects of Charter Schools on Student Outcomes: A National Analysis of School Districts"
Specifically for urban districts:
"Prior literature suggests that charter schools have more positive
effects in urban areas (CREDO 2013, Chabrier, Cohodes, and Oreopoulos
2016), a finding that we confirm. Harris (2020) hypothesizes that this
might be because urban districts have lower baseline achievement, which makes improvement somewhat easier to achieve. We find some suggestive evidence of this, though the estimates are imprecise. Additionally, we
find that the effects are concentrated in middle schools and high
schools, not elementary schools."
An easier read:
https://www.educationnext.org/bigger-picture-charter-school-results-national-analysis-system-level-effects-test-scores-graduation-rates/
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.
Is the Big Dumb Sack actually full of irony? All this time, I thought it was dung, either metaphorical or literal.
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.
Let's give a shout-out to the gloriously sheltered system that "educated" you.
Was that Howard County, or Westchester? Or maybe Detroit?
Is the Big Dumb Sack actually full of irony? All this time, I thought it was
dung, either metaphorical or literal.
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.
Let's give a shout-out to the gloriously sheltered system that "educated" you.
Was that Howard County, or Westchester? Or maybe Detroit?
I was educated
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:17:43 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education
is presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
exam.
I'm not gonna defend the stupidity of requiring an exam and/or "overqualified" teachers. My sister was a teacher and she complained
a lot about how stupidly the contracts incentivize teachers
"continuing education" which ultimately results in their
"overqualification" for which they get paid. She got her masters
degree because it got her a big bump while she was still teaching 2nd graders. She took all their classes and eventually was told she had
to either become an assistant principal or leave cuz they couldn't
afford her even though it was their contract that said do this and
you get this. Anyway, she left for a charter school and loved it
for one simple reason. The focus was on educating the kids. The
public schools seemed to think that better educated teachers
guaranteed better educated kids...but it didn't. It sucked the
budget up with better paid teachers.
Anyway, I'll never accept that the exact same exam given to people is "racist" because of disproportionate outcome of results. That's
misplaced blame....bigly.
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:40:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 2:17 PM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:To be fair, I'll cite this paper which the authors claim to be the first
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is
presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency exam.
to examine charter school outcome, with a look at market innovation vs
strategic behavior, "using two decades of data from the National
Longitudinal School Database (NLSD), which includes nearly all districts
in the U.S. from school years 1995 to 2016."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED622023.pdf
"The Combined Effects of Charter Schools on Student Outcomes: A National
Analysis of School Districts"
Specifically for urban districts:
"Prior literature suggests that charter schools have more positive
effects in urban areas (CREDO 2013, Chabrier, Cohodes, and Oreopoulos
2016), a finding that we confirm. Harris (2020) hypothesizes that this
might be because urban districts have lower baseline achievement, which
makes improvement somewhat easier to achieve. We find some suggestive
evidence of this, though the estimates are imprecise. Additionally, we
find that the effects are concentrated in middle schools and high
schools, not elementary schools."
An easier read:
https://www.educationnext.org/bigger-picture-charter-school-results-national-analysis-system-level-effects-test-scores-graduation-rates/
Whatever!
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.
The well of irony runneth over.
BZZZZT!
Is the Big Dumb Sack actually full of irony? All this time, I thought it was
dung, either metaphorical or literal.
Let's give a shout-out to the gloriously sheltered system that "educated" you.
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems. >>>>
Was that Howard County, or Westchester? Or maybe Detroit?
I was educated
Incorrect usage - lose 1000 points. The correct term version is...
I was "educated".
Whatever training was offered to you did not take. You are as dense and ignorant as if you had been trapped in one of those urban schools you
love to malign.
On 7/19/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:17:43 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education
is presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
exam.
I'm not gonna defend the stupidity of requiring an exam and/or "overqualified" teachers. My sister was a teacher and she complainedEven people who love public schools can have problems with school administration.
a lot about how stupidly the contracts incentivize teachers
"continuing education" which ultimately results in their "overqualification" for which they get paid. She got her masters
degree because it got her a big bump while she was still teaching 2nd graders. She took all their classes and eventually was told she had
to either become an assistant principal or leave cuz they couldn't
afford her even though it was their contract that said do this and
you get this. Anyway, she left for a charter school and loved it
for one simple reason. The focus was on educating the kids. The
public schools seemed to think that better educated teachers
guaranteed better educated kids...but it didn't. It sucked the
budget up with better paid teachers.
Anyway, I'll never accept that the exact same exam given to people is "racist" because of disproportionate outcome of results. That'sSo you didn't look past the headline? Whites passed at twice the rate of minorities.
misplaced blame....bigly.
On 7/19/23 9:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:40:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 2:17 PM, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 12:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:strategic behavior, "using two decades of data from the National
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:42:25 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>
Good enough for private and charter schools the where education is >>>>> presumably better than an urban public school!
No 'presumably' about it.
Yet they employ a teacher who failed the public school competency exam. >> To be fair, I'll cite this paper which the authors claim to be the first >> to examine charter school outcome, with a look at market innovation vs
Longitudinal School Database (NLSD), which includes nearly all districts >> in the U.S. from school years 1995 to 2016."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED622023.pdf
"The Combined Effects of Charter Schools on Student Outcomes: A National >> Analysis of School Districts"
Specifically for urban districts:
"Prior literature suggests that charter schools have more positive
effects in urban areas (CREDO 2013, Chabrier, Cohodes, and Oreopoulos
2016), a finding that we confirm. Harris (2020) hypothesizes that this
might be because urban districts have lower baseline achievement, which >> makes improvement somewhat easier to achieve. We find some suggestive
evidence of this, though the estimates are imprecise. Additionally, we
find that the effects are concentrated in middle schools and high
schools, not elementary schools."
An easier read:
https://www.educationnext.org/bigger-picture-charter-school-results-national-analysis-system-level-effects-test-scores-graduation-rates/
Whatever!
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.Are you knee-jerk opposing anything I post? Did you not follow the link
or read the quotes?
One man's "abject failure" is another man's "urban districts have lower baseline achievement."
To educate you on how wrongly you stepped by dismissing my cite without reading it, from the study:
Abstract: We study the combined effects of charter schools, and their various mechanisms, on a national level and across multiple outcomes.
Using difference-in-differences and fixed effects methods, we find that charter entry (above 10 percent market share) increases high school graduation rate in geographic districts by about 2-4 percentage points
and increases test scores by 0.06-0.16 standard deviations. Charter
effects peak with 5-15 percent charter market share. Also, total effects
are comprised not only of participant and competitive effects, but also
the charter-induced closure of low-performing traditional public
schools. The analysis addresses potential endogeneity of charter school location and timing.
On 7/19/23 10:51 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
The well of irony runneth over.
BZZZZT!
Is the Big Dumb Sack actually full of irony? All this time, I thought it was
dung, either metaphorical or literal.
Let's give a shout-out to the gloriously sheltered system that "educated" you.
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school systems.
Was that Howard County, or Westchester? Or maybe Detroit?
I was educated
Incorrect usage - lose 1000 points. The correct term version is...
I was "educated".
Whatever training was offered to you did not take. You are as dense and ignorant as if you had been trapped in one of those urban schools youThere does seem to be a disconnect between the great-books-reading
love to malign.
liberal arts college student and the crusty Fox uncle.
I'm chagrined to realize his odd reaction to me stating that I don't
think much of polls and don't start threads about them implies that for
him links is links. Citing a RWNJ site repeating a dark-money sponsored
push poll or mainstream media or an original source or a scientific
study are all the same.
Shimer wiki: All courses are small seminars with no more than twelve students, and were based on original sources from a list of about 200
core texts broadly based on the great books canon. Classroom instruction
is Socratic discussion.
He's found a way around that Socratic thing.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 9:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:40:06 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
To be fair, I'll cite this paper which the authors claim to be
the first to examine charter school outcome, with a look at
market innovation vs strategic behavior, "using two decades of
data from the National Longitudinal School Database (NLSD),
which includes nearly all districts in the U.S. from school
years 1995 to 2016."
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED622023.pdf
"The Combined Effects of Charter Schools on Student Outcomes: A
National Analysis of School Districts"
An easier read:
https://www.educationnext.org/bigger-picture-charter-school-results-national-analysis-system-level-effects-test-scores-graduation-rates/
Whatever!
You keep forgetting about the abject failure of many urban school
systems.
To educate you on how wrongly you stepped by dismissing my cite
without reading it, from the study:
Abstract: We study the combined effects of charter schools, and
their various mechanisms, on a national level and across multiple
outcomes. Using difference-in-differences and fixed effects
methods, we find that charter entry (above 10 percent market share)
increases high school graduation rate in geographic districts by
about 2-4 percentage points and increases test scores by 0.06-0.16
standard deviations. Charter effects peak with 5-15 percent charter
market share. Also, total effects are comprised not only of
participant and competitive effects, but also the charter-induced
closure of low-performing traditional public schools. The analysis
addresses potential endogeneity of charter school location and
timing.
Fudge Factors.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:16:58 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Shimer wiki: All courses are small seminars with no more than twelve
students, and were based on original sources from a list of about 200
core texts broadly based on the great books canon. Classroom instruction
is Socratic discussion.
He's found a way around that Socratic thing.
I can't have a rational discussion with someone who is so closed minded that he won't explore
a blind link
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:34:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
Anyway, I'll never accept that the exact same exam given toSo you didn't look past the headline? Whites passed at twice the
people is "racist" because of disproportionate outcome of
results. That's misplaced blame....bigly.
rate of minorities.
So? Show me it wasn't the same test. Show me they illegally gave
whites the answers.
Show me the shitty public schools weren't passing and graduating
blacks and hispanics to avoid accusations of racism.
Show me that stupidity isn't why the black and hispanics can't pass
the teachers exams.
But don't try and tell me people who can't pass the exact same exam
is due to a racist exam.
On 7/20/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:34:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/19/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
Anyway, I'll never accept that the exact same exam given toSo you didn't look past the headline? Whites passed at twice the
people is "racist" because of disproportionate outcome of
results. That's misplaced blame....bigly.
rate of minorities.
So? Show me it wasn't the same test. Show me they illegally gaveEEOC: "[An employer] can be found liable under Title VII if it uses a facially neutral practice that has the effect of disproportionately excluding members of a particular protected group. In such cases, which apply the disparate impact theory of discrimination, the individual
whites the answers.
alleging discrimination must prove . . . that the challenged practice
has a substantial and significant adverse effect on a protected group.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:02:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/20/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:34:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:EEOC: "[An employer] can be found liable under Title VII if it uses a
On 7/19/23 6:04 PM, ScottW wrote:
Anyway, I'll never accept that the exact same exam given toSo you didn't look past the headline? Whites passed at twice the
people is "racist" because of disproportionate outcome of
results. That's misplaced blame....bigly.
rate of minorities.
So? Show me it wasn't the same test. Show me they illegally gave
whites the answers.
facially neutral practice that has the effect of disproportionately
excluding members of a particular protected group. In such cases, which
apply the disparate impact theory of discrimination, the individual
alleging discrimination must prove . . . that the challenged practice
has a substantial and significant adverse effect on a protected group.
Which is nuts. It just propagates the problem and doesn't fix anything. Often makes it worse.
Looks like the test had a substantial portion based on reading aboutGertrude Stein's time in Paris. Seems kinda white.
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