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  • By the time I get to Phoenix

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 10:58:02 2023
    turns out to be optimistic. Breaking from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

    Subhed: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last
    year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments."

    I worry for Musk's credibility as this is added to exaggerated claims
    about self-driving cars, muddying the waters of California's high-speed
    rail by announcing a vapor-ware tube transport HyperLink, and his
    ongoing tank of the former Twitter.

    Too bad he's now a big part of the CenTex economy as I'd love for him to
    lose out to the EV competition.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 09:05:00 2023
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:58:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    turns out to be optimistic. Breaking from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

    Subhed: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last
    year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments."

    Tesla isn't the only company with that problem.

    Almost every EV truck has a problem with fluctuating dash range numbers
    due to a slew of environmental factors.
    Makes trip planning a nightmare.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 27 14:11:02 2023
    On 7/27/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:58:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    turns out to be optimistic. Breaking from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/ >>
    Subhed: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its
    electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive >> before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last
    year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a
    special team to cancel owners’ service appointments."

    Tesla isn't the only company with that problem.

    Almost every EV truck has a problem with fluctuating dash range numbers
    due to a slew of environmental factors.

    How many of those manufacturers chose to display unrealistic numbers for
    fully charged cars? (No trucks at the time at Tesla.)

    Makes trip planning a nightmare.

    Indeed, although Tesla did take steps to help drivers not run down
    completely.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 14:06:47 2023
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:11:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:58:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    turns out to be optimistic. Breaking from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

    Subhed: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its >> electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive
    before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last
    year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a >> special team to cancel owners’ service appointments."

    Tesla isn't the only company with that problem.

    Almost every EV truck has a problem with fluctuating dash range numbers due to a slew of environmental factors.
    How many of those manufacturers chose to display unrealistic numbers for fully charged cars? (No trucks at the time at Tesla.)

    Frankly....all of 'em.

    Based on these results, the highway fuel economy label tends to be a very good predictor of the fuel economy observed during the on-road test at real highway speeds with vehicles powered by an ICE. However, most electric cars tested to date fall short of
    both their electric consumption and range label values. For EVs, the difference between the window sticker and on-road consumption and range is further exacerbated by other factors, such as extreme temperatures and suggestions by automakers to charge to
    less than 100 percent to extend battery life.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/25/heres-why-ev-range-estimates-esp-teslas-are-wrong-much-of-the-time-in-the-usa/

    Tesla is the Volkswagen Diesel of EVs.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Jul 28 06:51:47 2023
    On 7/27/23 4:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:11:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 11:05 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:58:09 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    turns out to be optimistic. Breaking from Reuters:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/ >>>>

    Subhed: "About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its >>>> electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners
    can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters.
    The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range
    complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’
    service appointments."

    Tesla isn't the only company with that problem.

    Almost every EV truck has a problem with fluctuating dash range
    numbers due to a slew of environmental factors.
    How many of those manufacturers chose to display unrealistic
    numbers for fully charged cars? (No trucks at the time at Tesla.)

    Frankly....all of 'em.

    Based on these results, the highway fuel economy label tends to be a
    very good predictor of the fuel economy observed during the on-road
    test at real highway speeds with vehicles powered by an ICE. However,
    most electric cars tested to date fall short of both their electric consumption and range label values. For EVs, the difference between
    the window sticker and on-road consumption and range is further
    exacerbated by other factors, such as extreme temperatures and
    suggestions by automakers to charge to less than 100 percent to
    extend battery life.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/25/heres-why-ev-range-estimates-esp-teslas-are-wrong-much-of-the-time-in-the-usa/

    Well, I'm not talking about the mandated mileage sticker, but the car
    display.

    The second part, refusing to take service appointments for lower than
    expected mileage is the capper.

    Tesla is the Volkswagen Diesel of EVs.

    Good comparison.

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