According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile of
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile of
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag
to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas vehicle."
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile of
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
REALLY????????????????????
After 25 years, you can sell one for $300,000 as a rare collector's classic.
And after 10years, parts availability dries up and parts costs skyrocket.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it
incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median
upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the
first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag
to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas
vehicle."
Good Lordy!!!!!
After "25 YEARS" or about 375,000 miles, one would have had to replace the Tesla batteries
two times. Maybe one time, but with greatly reduced range from attrition.
a Tesla battery is good for about 300,000 miles,
however, it degrades capacity at 10% every 100,000 miles
A Tesla battery replacement is $20,000
https://provscons.com/can-tesla-batteries-be-replaced/#:~:text=Here%20is%20the%20summary%20and%20recommendation%20from%20this,used%20Tesla%20as%20its%20battery%20warranty%20is%20limited.
On 8/2/23 2:09 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it
incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median
upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows: >>
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the >> first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag >> to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas
vehicle."
Good Lordy!!!!!
After "25 YEARS" or about 375,000 miles, one would have had to replace the Tesla batteries
two times. Maybe one time, but with greatly reduced range from attrition.
a Tesla battery is good for about 300,000 miles,
however, it degrades capacity at 10% every 100,000 miles
A Tesla battery replacement is $20,000
https://provscons.com/can-tesla-batteries-be-replaced/#:~:text=Here%20is%20the%20summary%20and%20recommendation%20from%20this,used%20Tesla%20as%20its%20battery%20warranty%20is%20limited.Well-researched! How much cost for oil changes would 375k incur? Other fluids? From the previous cite:
"The annual cost of maintenance for electric vehicles, specifically the Tesla Model 3, is $190 a year. For a gas powered car, the average annual cost of maintenance, specifically the country’s most popular model, the Toyota Rav 4, is $964.60. This is based on an annual mileage of over
13,000 miles. The maintenance cost for the average electric vehicle is
$321 cheaper each year than a gas alternative."
A lot of cars will go 300k+ but I don't know if the RAV4 is one of them. There could be an engine replacement involved at 250k or so.
I agree a lot could happen in twenty-five years: punitive taxes on ICE; Japan/Euro style disincentives for old cars; greater utilization
public transport due to increased urban density; etc.
On 8/2/23 1:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile of
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows: >>
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
25 years?
REALLY????????????????????
OTOH, I've had two
different cars for twenty-five years (not consecutively).
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
From the previous cite:
"The annual cost of maintenance for electric vehicles, specifically the
Tesla Model 3, is $190 a year. For a gas powered car, the average annual
cost of maintenance, specifically the country’s most popular model, the
Toyota Rav 4, is $964.60. This is based on an annual mileage of over
13,000 miles. The maintenance cost for the average electric vehicle is
$321 cheaper each year than a gas alternative."
So, in order to recoup my higher initial outlay, I have to hold onto
the car for TWENTY FIVE YEARS to balance that with lower operating costs!
your first hoostie,
What the hell's a "hoostie"?
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:41:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
OTOH, I've had two different cars for twenty-five years (not
consecutively).
That figures! I always doubted that you liked the finer things in
life.
with a two year interval, and putting you as early as sixteen for
your first hoostie, that pegs you as being at least 68 years old. If
you bought each of them as new vehicles. I doubt you owned the two
wreckers simultaneously.
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag
to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas vehicle."
Please follow the link for questions about the methodology.
On 8/2/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:41:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
OTOH, I've had two different cars for twenty-five years (not
consecutively).
That figures! I always doubted that you liked the finer things inOn the contrary, I really liked my cars and was sorry to see them go, well-worn and over 200k miles on each, the last nearly 300k and still a
life.
good driver but without A/C, which won't do in CenTex summers.
No, I probably wouldn't like your cars. I picture soft springs and bench seats up front.
with a two year interval, and putting you as early as sixteen forFourteen year overlap. No, I didn't buy them new. Buying a used car then repairing it until you've run it into the ground is best for the planet.
your first hoostie, that pegs you as being at least 68 years old. If
you bought each of them as new vehicles. I doubt you owned the two wreckers simultaneously.
What the hell's a "hoostie"?
I could have worked out the recoup time quickly if you hadn't snipped
out the yearly cost info I posted.
On 8/2/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, I probably wouldn't like your cars. I picture soft springs and bench seats up front.
Fourteen year overlap. No, I didn't buy them new. Buying a used car then repairing it until you've run it into the ground is best for the planet.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:16:47 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:41:46 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:On the contrary, I really liked my cars and was sorry to see them go,
OTOH, I've had two different cars for twenty-five years (not
consecutively).
That figures! I always doubted that you liked the finer things in
life.
well-worn and over 200k miles on each, the last nearly 300k and still a
good driver but without A/C, which won't do in CenTex summers.
No, I probably wouldn't like your cars. I picture soft springs and bench
seats up front.
with a two year interval, and putting you as early as sixteen forFourteen year overlap. No, I didn't buy them new. Buying a used car then
your first hoostie, that pegs you as being at least 68 years old. If
you bought each of them as new vehicles. I doubt you owned the two
wreckers simultaneously.
repairing it until you've run it into the ground is best for the planet.
What the hell's a "hoostie"?
autocorrect put that in
hooptie is what I typed.
I could have worked out the recoup time quickly if you hadn't snipped
out the yearly cost info I posted.
You can't look at your previous post?
You are one lazy son of a bitch.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:16:47 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No, I probably wouldn't like your cars. I picture soft springs and
bench seats up front.
My best and favorite I owned one for 14 years.
https://www.musclecardrive.com/ford/images/1989-mustang-gt.jpg
Fourteen year overlap. No, I didn't buy them new. Buying a used car
then repairing it until you've run it into the ground is best for
the planet.
You bought two used cars and owned each for twenty-five years. I
applaud you for making those awesome sacrifices to save my planet,
During that time I burned a lot of gas in my muscle car, ate lots of
outdoor charcoal broiled steaks, and kept warm in the winter with my
wood burning Stoveplace. And I mowed with a gasoline powered
lawnmower.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:06:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it
incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median
upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows:
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the
first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag
to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas
vehicle."
Please follow the link for questions about the methodology.
From your site
"When factoring in purchase cost, the average cost of an EV is $10,360 each year"
"When factoring in purchase cost, the average cost of a gas vehicle is $8,691 each year"
Thanks for proving my point.
On 8/2/23 8:08 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:06:05 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/1/23 10:42 PM, ScottW wrote:
According to their calculations, the median EV cost $554 per mile ofThat's from February 22, 2022. Dividing MSRP by miles of range is an
range in 2012, and has been slashed by more than half to $214 in
2021.
interesting take, good for comparison purposes year-to-year, but it
incorporates market distortions ie chip shortages leading to
higher-priced models getting manufacturing priority skewing the median
upwards when low-priced models are dropped.
Those numbers will change if, say, China starts selling low priced EVs
in the US.
And, of course, it doesn't show what the subject line says. Cost per
mile of range at purchase isn't the cost per mile to run nor is it the
total cost of ownership.
Here's a different measure that includes 2022:
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-cars-vs-gas-cars-cost/
"After 25 years, the ownership cost for the three vehicles is as follows: >>
Tesla Model 3: $110,368
Toyota RAV 4: $111,464
BMW 3 Series: $151,880
This includes the purchase price of each vehicle which is split over the >> first 6 years. The BMW 3 Series was chosen as it has a similar price tag >> to the Tesla Model 3 and is consistently the most popular premium-gas
vehicle."
Please follow the link for questions about the methodology.
From your site
"When factoring in purchase cost, the average cost of an EV is $10,360 each year"
"When factoring in purchase cost, the average cost of a gas vehicle is $8,691 each year"
Thanks for proving my point.Thanks for restoring Art's snip. The additional running cost of the
'average EV' is $1669/yr over the 'average ICE' when factoring in
purchase cost. I wonder where I can get an 'average car,' EV or ICE.
If I'm choosing between an EV and an ICE vehicle of the same price, like
the Tesla 3/BMW 3 pair shown above, running cost w/o purchase is the
correct comparison: $3,679/yr for an EV; $4336/yr for a gas vehicle.
Is >$2k/yr really "far more expensive" in the context of the EV average price of $64k? For cars only (no SUVs), more like $76k.
https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/electric-car-prices/
Digging deeper into the first site:
In California the annual running cost of an electric vs gas car is:
⚡ EV cost: $ 4,406
⛽ Gas cost: $ 5,450
On 8/2/23 9:26 PM, Art Sackman wrote:I think I'm turning Japanese
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:16:47?PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 5:51 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:41:46?PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:On the contrary, I really liked my cars and was sorry to see them go,
OTOH, I've had two different cars for twenty-five years (not
consecutively).
That figures! I always doubted that you liked the finer things in
life.
well-worn and over 200k miles on each, the last nearly 300k and still a
good driver but without A/C, which won't do in CenTex summers.
No, I probably wouldn't like your cars. I picture soft springs and bench >>> seats up front.
with a two year interval, and putting you as early as sixteen forFourteen year overlap. No, I didn't buy them new. Buying a used car then >>> repairing it until you've run it into the ground is best for the planet. >>>
your first hoostie, that pegs you as being at least 68 years old. If
you bought each of them as new vehicles. I doubt you owned the two
wreckers simultaneously.
What the hell's a "hoostie"?
autocorrect put that in
hooptie is what I typed.
Leading inevitably to the follow up question: what the hell's a
"hooptie"? ...
Sir Mix-A-Lot? Not part of my experience.
http://www.word-detective.com/2011/01/hooptie/
No, as a kid and future lover of fine things. I disdained floaty
American living rooms on wheels in favor of European sport sedans.
As an adult, I'm turning Japanese.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 6:50:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Digging deeper into the first site:
In California the annual running cost of an electric vs gas car is:
⚡ EV cost: $ 4,406
⛽ Gas cost: $ 5,450
Probably more....just refilled yesterday at a 7/11
5.39/gal. Find that punch in the gut in inflation data.
Thanks Joe!
Thanks for restoring Art's snip.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Thanks for restoring Art's snip.
See?
It's not really gone.
Just read the previous posts
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity, including snipping my own previous remarks,
I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity,However, if you snip something you refer to, you're trying to hide it.
I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,Yes, if you had only done that, there would no cause for complaint.
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.
mINE109 wrote:
Too complex for Sackschmuck's tiny brain. They obviously can't incorporate even a single IF-THEN conjunction.
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity,However, if you snip something you refer to, you're trying to hide it.
I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,Yes, if you had only done that, there would no cause for complaint.
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.
I suggest simply repeating the most direct insult you customarily give him.
On 8/3/23 11:46 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Thanks for restoring Art's snip.
See?No one said it was gone, just that you referred to it while snipping it.
It's not really gone.
Just read the previous posts
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity, including snipping my own previous remarks,However, if you snip something you refer to, you're trying to hide it.
I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,Yes, if you had only done that, there would no cause for complaint.
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.
On 8/3/23 1:22 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
mINE109 wrote:
Too complex for Sackschmuck's tiny brain. They obviously can't incorporate even a single IF-THEN conjunction.
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity,However, if you snip something you refer to, you're trying to hide it. >>> I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.Yes, if you had only done that, there would no cause for complaint.
I suggest simply repeating the most direct insult you customarily give him.It's more fun to point out he's talking about recouping the price
difference of a pair of cars chosen because they cost the same.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:36:39 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:46 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:No one said it was gone, just that you referred to it while snipping it.
Thanks for restoring Art's snip.
See?
It's not really gone.
Just read the previous posts
I snip older messages for brevity and clarity, including snipping my own previous remarks,However, if you snip something you refer to, you're trying to hide it.
I AS an example, I just snipped the remainder of your previous post,Yes, if you had only done that, there would no cause for complaint.
as it was not relevant to the portion I am responding to.
I can refer to anything you said, without having to show it.
I assume that you have a functioning memory,
In some cases I refer to something you said way back in the htread, or even in other threads, or maybe something you siad even a few weeks or a few monthes ago.
I am under no obligation to show you what you previously said.
For the sake of brevity and clarity, I clean up the repetiveness of
already published previous posts, even of my own.
I assume that you have a functioning memory,Your argument was numerative in nature. I shouldn't be expected to
remember those exact figures.
When those are ideas or common allusions, all is well. Numbers?
Not so good.
I am under no obligation to show you what you previously said.No, this is Usenet.
For the sake of brevity and clarity, I clean up the repetiveness ofNo problem! Unless you are inadvertently deceptive as a result.
already published previous posts, even of my own.
While I have your attention, how long does it take to recoup the cost difference between the Tesla 3 and BMW 3 series referred to in my cite?
On Thursday, Augu
I assume that you have a functioning memory,Your argument was numerative in nature. I shouldn't be expected to
remember those exact figures.
no, I didn't argue your numbers.
My only reference to numbers was to a new factor that you did not
include, battery replacement
When those are ideas or common allusions, all is well. Numbers?
Not so good.
I didn't refer to yo r numbers, I only added battery replacement
costs,
I am under no obligation to show you what you previously said.No, this is Usenet.
What difference does that make?
There is a thread, go examine the thread.
At any rate, brevity and clarity trump repetitiveness of what can
readily be found.
For the sake of brevity and clarity, I clean up the repetivenessNo problem! Unless you are inadvertently deceptive as a result.
of already published previous posts, even of my own.
I haven't deceived anyone.
What was said before, was said before.
My not republishing it yet again is not deception. There is a record
of what id said, Go look up the record.
While I have your attention, how long does it take to recoup the
cost difference between the Tesla 3 and BMW 3 series referred to
in my cite?
As you put it, 25 years.
Hardly anyone owns a car for twenty five years, Only dweebs like you
do that. You claimed to have done it twice.
ANd, hahahahahah, not even on NEW car purchaseds but on used car
purchases. What a fuckin useless moron you are.
On 8/3/23 3:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, Augu
I assume that you have a functioning memory,Your argument was numerative in nature. I shouldn't be expected to
remember those exact figures.
no, I didn't argue your numbers.You did when you brought up the recoupment interval.
My only reference to numbers was to a new factor that you did notIt's not my number. We could consult the original site to see if battery replacement was
include, battery replacement
considered.
When those are ideas or common allusions, all is well. Numbers?
Not so good.
I didn't refer to yo r numbers, I only added battery replacementAnd then I added engine replacement.
costs,
I am under no obligation to show you what you previously said.No, this is Usenet.
What difference does that make?There are no Usenet obligations to show what was previously said.
There is a thread, go examine the thread.I might decline to do so if you're arguing in bad faith.
At any rate, brevity and clarity trump repetitiveness of what canWhat was the 25-year expense of the RAV4 EV again?
readily be found.
For the sake of brevity and clarity, I clean up the repetivenessNo problem! Unless you are inadvertently deceptive as a result.
of already published previous posts, even of my own.
I haven't deceived anyone.But you made it harder for me to reply.
What was said before, was said before.And you made it harder to see.
My not republishing it yet again is not deception. There is a record
of what id said, Go look up the record.
It's your argument. I often argue y'alls side for you, but I don't have to.
While I have your attention, how long does it take to recoup the
cost difference between the Tesla 3 and BMW 3 series referred to
in my cite?
As you put it, 25 years.At what point is the difference recouped?
Hardly anyone owns a car for twenty five years, Only dweebs like youClaim! If it's so dweeby, why would I claim that if it weren't true?
do that. You claimed to have done it twice.
ANd, hahahahahah, not even on NEW car purchaseds but on used car purchases. What a fuckin useless moron you are.One who saved a ton of money not paying for new cars while driving cars
I liked.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 3:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, AuguYou did when you brought up the recoupment interval.
I assume that you have a functioning memory,Your argument was numerative in nature. I shouldn't be expected to
remember those exact figures.
no, I didn't argue your numbers.
My only reference to numbers was to a new factor that you did notIt's not my number. We could consult the original site to see if battery
include, battery replacement
replacement was
considered.
And then I added engine replacement.When those are ideas or common allusions, all is well. Numbers?
Not so good.
I didn't refer to yo r numbers, I only added battery replacement
costs,
There are no Usenet obligations to show what was previously said.I am under no obligation to show you what you previously said.No, this is Usenet.
What difference does that make?
LOL~~~~~ and I didn't show that!!
There is a thread, go examine the thread.I might decline to do so if you're arguing in bad faith.
At any rate, brevity and clarity trump repetitiveness of what canWhat was the 25-year expense of the RAV4 EV again?
readily be found.
You posted that, you go look it up.
and even 'if' I kept those old posts, the links
won't connect on the second, thirds, fourth, etc. Time around,
But you made it harder for me to reply.For the sake of brevity and clarity, I clean up the repetivenessNo problem! Unless you are inadvertently deceptive as a result.
of already published previous posts, even of my own.
I haven't deceived anyone.
You lazy asshole, I am not here to make your internet life easier,
You are a whining, spoiled, self possessed, entitled snowflake.
What was said before, was said before.And you made it harder to see.
I made the conversation easier to read by eliminating
repetitive, redundant, and extraneous backstories.
I threw all those synonyms in there, because you so adore redundancy.
My not republishing it yet again is not deception. There is a record
of what id said, Go look up the record.
It's your argument. I often argue y'alls side for you, but I don't have to.
Excuse me? Your previously posted data is YOUR arguesment
At what point is the difference recouped?While I have your attention, how long does it take to recoup the
cost difference between the Tesla 3 and BMW 3 series referred to
in my cite?
As you put it, 25 years.
Why do I care/?
People don't own cars much after ten to twelve years.
The average ownership is 8.3 years.
Hardly anyone owns a car for twenty five years, Only dweebs like youClaim! If it's so dweeby, why would I claim that if it weren't true?
do that. You claimed to have done it twice.
It's What you did .
I can't explain WHY you did.
ANd, hahahahahah, not even on NEW car purchaseds but on used carOne who saved a ton of money not paying for new cars while driving cars
purchases. What a fuckin useless moron you are.
I liked.
I get it, you liked buying a five year old car and owning it another 25 years.
What do you do about spare parts after it is, say, twelve years old?
or the one car I owned 14 years, it became a problem.
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.Well the girls would turn the color
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.
On 8/3/23 10:24 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 6:50:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Digging deeper into the first site:
In California the annual running cost of an electric vs gas car is:
⚡ EV cost: $ 4,406
⛽ Gas cost: $ 5,450
Probably more....just refilled yesterday at a 7/11No, it's not a dynamic day-by-day measurement.
5.39/gal. Find that punch in the gut in inflation data.
Thanks Joe!
For lowering inflation? Down to 3% and there's a case to be made the
target of 2% is too low.
On 8/6/23 12:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.You get Chicago's El out of "El Dorado"? In the context of car models?
But don't recognize a song covered by David Bowie and John Cale? Or the version on the Repo Man soundrack?
The original:
https://am-records.com/2022/04/28/the-modern-lovers-pablo-picasso/
A bass player can appreciate the two-note groove.
https://am-records.com/2022/04/29/david-bowie-iggy-pop-pablo-picasso/
Iggy can't resist adding a second chord and a verse you won't hear
anywhere else.
On 8/6/23 12:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.You get Chicago's El out of "El Dorado"? In the context of car models?
But don't recognize a song covered by David Bowie and John Cale? Or the version on the Repo Man soundrack?
The original:
https://am-records.com/2022/04/28/the-modern-lovers-pablo-picasso/
A bass player can appreciate the two-note groove.
https://am-records.com/2022/04/29/david-bowie-iggy-pop-pablo-picasso/
Iggy can't resist adding a second chord and a verse you won't hear
anywhere else.
On 8/6/23 12:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.You get Chicago's El out of "El Dorado"? In the context of car models?
But don't recognize a song covered by David Bowie and John Cale? Or the version on the Repo Man soundrack?
The original:
https://am-records.com/2022/04/28/the-modern-lovers-pablo-picasso/
A bass player can appreciate the two-note groove.
https://am-records.com/2022/04/29/david-bowie-iggy-pop-pablo-picasso/
Iggy can't resist adding a second chord and a verse you won't hear
anywhere else.
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/6/23 12:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to >>>>>> get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.You get Chicago's El out of "El Dorado"? In the context of car models?
But don't recognize a song covered by David Bowie and John Cale? Or the version on the Repo Man soundrack?
The original:
https://am-records.com/2022/04/28/the-modern-lovers-pablo-picasso/
A bass player can appreciate the two-note groove.I am a bass player and I don't appreciate it at all
Count me in for Motown (Jamerson)
and Atlantic R&B (Dunn)
Cream (Bruce) Weather Report (Pastorius and Vitous)
and of course, The Meters (Porter, Jr.)
and Little Feat (Gradney)
Kevin Doster, for B.B. King, was quite solid.
and The Neville Bros. Daryl Johnson
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:53:27 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/6/23 12:15 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 7:47:29 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:You get Chicago's El out of "El Dorado"? In the context of car models?
On 8/5/23 5:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:47:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Not a Modern Lovers fan, I see.
On 8/4/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Well the girls would turn the color
I decided not to repair the A/C when I had the opportunity to
get a mode n low-mileage Japanese sedan at low cost.
I'll probably drive it for ten to fifteen years.
The Austin area chicks will be thrilled.
Of the avocado when he would drive
Down their street in his El Dorado
Here is a pic of your avocado fanboy.
He digs 25 year old Volvos.
Other than the films of the old 2nd Ave el, no.
But don't recognize a song covered by David Bowie and John Cale? Or the
version on the Repo Man soundrack?
The original:
https://am-records.com/2022/04/28/the-modern-lovers-pablo-picasso/
A bass player can appreciate the two-note groove.
I am a bass player and I don't appreciate it at all
Count me in for Motown (Jamerson)
and Atlantic R&B (Dunn)
Cream (Bruce) Weather Report (Pastorius and Vitous)
and of course, The Meters (Porter, Jr.)
and Little Feat (Gradney)
Kevin Doster, for B.B. King, was quite solid.
and The Neville Bros. Daryl Johnson
https://am-records.com/2022/04/29/david-bowie-iggy-pop-pablo-picasso/
The modern Lovers do sound a lot like Iggy Pop
Not a fan of him either
My bandmate coerced me into doing Lust For Life, and singing it too.
I despised it.
OOPS!
Look at what just popped up on my screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCHvE5EWyA
Very much funkier than Modern Lovers or Iggy Pop.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:43:46 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 10:24 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 6:50:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:No, it's not a dynamic day-by-day measurement.
Digging deeper into the first site:
In California the annual running cost of an electric vs gas car is:
⚡ EV cost: $ 4,406
⛽ Gas cost: $ 5,450
Probably more....just refilled yesterday at a 7/11
5.39/gal. Find that punch in the gut in inflation data.
Thanks Joe!
For lowering inflation? Down to 3% and there's a case to be made the
target of 2% is too low.
Stephen just can't get enough oppression of low income workers.
Chris Squire, for Yes
and Rosko Gee for the late years of Traffic.
His introductory solo on their live "Last Traffic Jam" is masterful.
Neither would play a two-noter.
On 8/6/23 8:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OOPS!
Look at what just popped up on my screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCHvE5EWyA
Very much funkier than Modern Lovers or Iggy Pop.No arguing that the Meters are funky especially compared to artists who
are consciously not funky.
A great bass line wants to make you dance.
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:04:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/6/23 8:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OOPS!No arguing that the Meters are funky especially compared to artists who
Look at what just popped up on my screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCHvE5EWyA
Very much funkier than Modern Lovers or Iggy Pop.
are consciously not funky.
That's why I like them.
Modern Lovers are boring.
A great bass line wants to make you dance.
On 8/7/23 2:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:04:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/6/23 8:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OOPS!No arguing that the Meters are funky especially compared to artists who >> are consciously not funky.
Look at what just popped up on my screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCHvE5EWyA
Very much funkier than Modern Lovers or Iggy Pop.
That's why I like them.
Modern Lovers are boring.You're just steamed because Jonathan Richman performs as a duo with a drummer and no bass.
A great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp Dressed Man"?
A great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp Dressed Man"?
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 2:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Modern Lovers are boring.You're just steamed because Jonathan Richman performs as a duo with a
drummer and no bass.
No
I just don't like the style, the sound, and the songs.
I saw a rockabilly duo with just guitar and drums
It was pretty damn good
It was the Flat Duo Jets.
A great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp Dressed Man"?
What is your point?
A great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp
Dressed Man"?
Still trying to get your point.
Maybe its that you think those are four great basslines that don't
get you dancing.
Well, none of them are all that goof basslines, mostly one note
continual thumping. Though Larry Graham and Dusty Hill do a great job
of thumping. Those two songs are danceable. Abacab is rhythmically
boring, though Rutherford has done some good other stuff. Magic Bus
does nothing for me. some consider Entwhistle a God. Not me.
Another really good bass player was the other Motown dude, Bob
Babbitt
Every Kind of People, Robert Palmer. video version Babbitt https://youtu.be/R686uRAzwIk
I think that this is the album version Babbitt
Babbitt??? probably https://youtu.be/j7bYat5b9bo
not Babbitt, I don't know who, but great.
https://youtu.be/XwCHFaarTjY
My all time favorite bass line was another Robert Palme song Sneaking
Sally Through the alley Bass by George Porter Jr. backed by the
Meters and some of Little Feat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q9_XlsU3Y
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!
My all time favorite bass line was another Robert Palme song
Sneaking Sally Through the alley
Bass by George Porter Jr.
backed by the Meters and some of Little Feat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q9_XlsU3Y
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!
There were a few keyboard/guitar/drum trios in the past: Rascals, Atomic Rooster. Technically The Doors, but probably more so in the early club
days. The records and tours had hired bass players.
Well, whadayaknow:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/doors-bass-players/
On 8/7/23 7:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 2:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Modern Lovers are boring.You're just steamed because Jonathan Richman performs as a duo with a
drummer and no bass.
No
I just don't like the style, the sound, and the songs.Just joshing you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about music.
Still, "Roadrunner" is a garage classic.
I saw a rockabilly duo with just guitar and drums
It was pretty damn good
It was the Flat Duo Jets.I've only heard the name. Maybe I'll check em out.
The White Stripes are the other bass-less duo that comes to mind. The
Black Keys are commercially successful but don't really sound like a duo.
There were a few keyboard/guitar/drum trios in the past: Rascals, Atomic Rooster. Technically The Doors, but probably more so in the early club
days. The records and tours had hired bass players.
Well, whadayaknow:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/doors-bass-players/
A great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp Dressed Man"?
What is your point?Great bass lines have the right number of notes, even if that number is
one. You wouldn't say Larry Graham and Sly Stone aren't funky!
There were a few keyboard/guitar/drum trios in the past: Rascals, Atomic
Rooster. Technically The Doors, but probably more so in the early club
days. The records and tours had hired bass players.
Well, whadayaknow:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/doors-bass-players/
The end of that article talks about Harvey Brooks.
Another really good one.
The first song I learned was Harvey Brooks
I learned to play bass by repetitively playing one of his songs.
Albert's Shuffle, Mike Bloomfield on Super Sessions
My teacher was a big fan.
Brooks played with Miles Davis.
Bitches Brew album and others.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:04:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 7:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 2:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Great bass lines have the right number of notes, even if thatA great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp
Dressed Man"?
What is your point?
number is one. You wouldn't say Larry Graham and Sly Stone aren't
funky!
Graham on Everyday People. A great bass player, great playing, but
playing not a great bass line. Same with Hill on Sharp Dressed Man
One can do a lot with a one note baseline by adding other variations
attacks, delays, slightly off rhythms, dynamics. tone But still, not
a great bass line
On 8/8/23 4:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:04:57 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 7:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/7/23 2:29 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Great bass lines have the right number of notes, even if thatA great bass line wants to make you dance.Oh, like "Everyday People"? or "Abacab"? "Magic Bus"? "Sharp
Dressed Man"?
What is your point?
number is one. You wouldn't say Larry Graham and Sly Stone aren't
funky!
Graham on Everyday People. A great bass player, great playing, but
playing not a great bass line. Same with Hill on Sharp Dressed Man
One can do a lot with a one note baseline by adding other variations attacks, delays, slightly off rhythms, dynamics. tone But still, notSometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
a great bass line
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:52:51 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Part of being a music lover and a musician is appreciating these unsung
players or being surprised at gig a familiar player did you didn't know
about (Bob Babbitt with Robert Palmer counts there). I can't say why it
never occurred to me that Pino Palladino had played on those Don Henley
solo hits.
I've learned to appreciate soul and r&b players (I bought a Ferrante &
Teicher reissue because it had Jamerson on it) but do like that
Rotosound buzz that cuts through the noise and gives a cello-like line
in prog style. Vocal-sounding fretless is also something I like:
Fernando Saunders for Lou Reed, for instance.
One of my all time bass favorites was Reed's Walk on the Wild Side
But that wasn't anyone named Saunders
It used two overdubbed bass lines, one upright and one fretless electric.
I play fretted and fretless PBasses
Please post a youtube link of something matching your
vocal sounding fretless description.
and something with a "rotosound buzz.
I don't know what you are referring to
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Sometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
If it's played played well. and if it realy is the best bass line for that song
I could have improved on Graham's Everyday People, it could have been enhanced
by replacing one notes with a variable pattern of other notes from the structure
I could not have improved on Hill's sharp dressed man. That fit like glove.
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Sometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
If it's played played well. and if it realy is the best bass line for that songWell, Graham could have done that if that was what was wanted. It's a
I could have improved on Graham's Everyday People, it could have been enhanced
by replacing one notes with a variable pattern of other notes from the structure
short one chord song with no harmonic progression.
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:52:51 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
Part of being a music lover and a musician is appreciating these unsung >> players or being surprised at gig a familiar player did you didn't know >> about (Bob Babbitt with Robert Palmer counts there). I can't say why it >> never occurred to me that Pino Palladino had played on those Don Henley >> solo hits.
I've learned to appreciate soul and r&b players (I bought a Ferrante &
Teicher reissue because it had Jamerson on it) but do like that
Rotosound buzz that cuts through the noise and gives a cello-like line
in prog style. Vocal-sounding fretless is also something I like:
Fernando Saunders for Lou Reed, for instance.
One of my all time bass favorites was Reed's Walk on the Wild SideYes, the British studio bassist Herbie Flowers, inspired by the prospect
But that wasn't anyone named Saunders
It used two overdubbed bass lines, one upright and one fretless electric.
of a doubling fee.
I play fretted and fretless PBasses
Please post a youtube link of something matching yourSaunders, live on The Late Late Show:
vocal sounding fretless description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VTClsw8RY
Saunders, walking on the wild side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO0wnWxj5rE
Pino:
and something with a "rotosound buzz.Chris Squire, John Entwistle, etc. I mean roundwound ones in general, as opposed to flat-wound, but Rotosound invented them. More treble, more overtones. Favored by rock players.
I don't know what you are referring to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHPZQNtZ87o
"Hold your group together / With Rotosound Strings."
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/flatwound-vs-roundwound-bass-strings
"Whether you play bass with your fingers or with a pick, roundwound bass strings sound brighter than flatwound bass strings. Roundwounds have a
more even balance between low-end thump, midrange character, and
high-end detail, relative to flatwounds. Flatwound strings have reduced
high end, giving them more emphasis on mids and lows. Bassists playing
rock, punk, and pop styles often choose roundwounds for their enhanced presence in a busy mix. For reggae, R&B, and jazz, the smoother, warmer sound of flatwounds is often more appropriate."
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:39:36 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Well, Graham could have done that if that was what was wanted. It's a
Sometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
If it's played played well. and if it realy is the best bass line for that song
I could have improved on Graham's Everyday People, it could have been enhanced
by replacing one notes with a variable pattern of other notes from the structure
short one chord song with no harmonic progression.
One chord with one base note, yes, BUT, there is a whole scale to work with.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
I play fretted and fretless PBassesSaunders, live on The Late Late Show:
Please post a youtube link of something matching your
vocal sounding fretless description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VTClsw8RY
Saunders, walking on the wild side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO0wnWxj5rE
Both great.
Not the same as the Wild Side original bass line but it fits just as well
Pino:
I am familiar with him. a great player.
and something with a "rotosound buzz.Chris Squire, John Entwistle, etc. I mean roundwound ones in general, as
I don't know what you are referring to
opposed to flat-wound, but Rotosound invented them. More treble, more
overtones. Favored by rock players.
I know Rotosound, but I didn't know what you meant by buzz.
I never used Rotosounds.
I mostly used GHS
Flatwounds on my fretted
Flatwounds or Tapewounds on my fretless
very rarely round wounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHPZQNtZ87o
"Hold your group together / With Rotosound Strings."
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/flatwound-vs-roundwound-bass-strings
Flatwounds on my fretted
Flatwounds or Tapewounds on my fretless
very rarely round wounds.
Sometimes I used a home-made mute on some songs
I cut a piece of foam weatherstripping.
Various placements gave me a few different sounds,
Always used my fingers, never a pick.
head amp was a vintage '65 Dual Showman
Various modern speaker cabs
nothing I couldn't carry
dual 10's
On 8/9/23 3:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:39:36 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Well, Graham could have done that if that was what was wanted. It's a
Sometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
If it's played played well. and if it realy is the best bass line for that song
I could have improved on Graham's Everyday People, it could have been enhanced
by replacing one notes with a variable pattern of other notes from the structure
short one chord song with no harmonic progression.
One chord with one base note, yes, BUT, there is a whole scale to work with.Technically, it's missing the leading tone, ti, and chromatics.
Seems conceived from the bottom up, so a Jamerson bass line would blunt
the impact.
Just to show one chord works isn't only for funk:
Terry Riley "In C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5W-1JJtz5Q
More tones than Sly uses, but one appreciates Sly's brevity.
On 8/9/23 4:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
I play fretted and fretless PBassesSaunders, live on The Late Late Show:
Please post a youtube link of something matching your
vocal sounding fretless description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VTClsw8RY
Saunders, walking on the wild side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO0wnWxj5rE
Both great.
Not the same as the Wild Side original bass line but it fits just as well
Pino:
I am familiar with him. a great player.I knew his sound, but didn't recognize him by name until his Who days.
and something with a "rotosound buzz.Chris Squire, John Entwistle, etc. I mean roundwound ones in general, as >> opposed to flat-wound, but Rotosound invented them. More treble, more
I don't know what you are referring to
overtones. Favored by rock players.
I know Rotosound, but I didn't know what you meant by buzz.All good.
I never used Rotosounds.
I mostly used GHS
Flatwounds on my frettedOne wonders about fret wear. Yes, use the one that fits your style.
Flatwounds or Tapewounds on my fretless
very rarely round wounds.
Flats are a more familiar feel for stand up or classical players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHPZQNtZ87oFlatwounds on my fretted
"Hold your group together / With Rotosound Strings."
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/flatwound-vs-roundwound-bass-strings
Flatwounds or Tapewounds on my fretless
very rarely round wounds.
Sometimes I used a home-made mute on some songs
I cut a piece of foam weatherstripping.
Various placements gave me a few different sounds,
Always used my fingers, never a pick.
My bass player friend hates picks because they're for guitars.
head amp was a vintage '65 Dual ShowmanJust saw a video of the Ventures using those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a1_jA0ZsI
Someone set the Ron Furmanek restoration to the original video from the
look of it.
Various modern speaker cabsNice choice for punch.
nothing I couldn't carry
dual 10's
Modern club amps are Class D now, so surprisingly light. Not the same struggle.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 8:06:47 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 3:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:39:36 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Technically, it's missing the leading tone, ti, and chromatics.
On 8/9/23 11:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Well, Graham could have done that if that was what was wanted. It's a
Sometimes the best bass line isn't a great bass line.
If it's played played well. and if it realy is the best bass line for that song
I could have improved on Graham's Everyday People, it could have been enhanced
by replacing one notes with a variable pattern of other notes from the structure
short one chord song with no harmonic progression.
One chord with one base note, yes, BUT, there is a whole scale to work with.
Seems conceived from the bottom up, so a Jamerson bass line would blunt
the impact.
Just to show one chord works isn't only for funk:
Terry Riley "In C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5W-1JJtz5Q
More tones than Sly uses, but one appreciates Sly's brevity.
You call that "works"?
And the piece was misnamed.
I would call it "Toothache in C"
It was reminiscent of an Impressionistic rendition of a root canal.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 8:21:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 4:17 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
When I was in high school I played upright classical and big band
jazz dropped it until I was 43, then picked up the electric. played
blues, blues rock, classic R&B, and rockabilly
So from my early experience, my heart and soul is stand up
Flatwounds or Tapewounds on my fretless very rarely round
wounds.
Sometimes I used a home-made mute on some songs I cut a piece of
foam weatherstripping. Various placements gave me a few different
sounds, Always used my fingers, never a pick.
My bass player friend hates picks because they're for guitars.
Picks are only good for surf music.
head amp was a vintage '65 Dual ShowmanJust saw a video of the Ventures using those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43a1_jA0ZsI
and a pick
Various modern speaker cabs nothing I couldn't carry dual 10'sNice choice for punch.
Modern club amps are Class D now, so surprisingly light. Not the
same struggle.
I also have a MarkBass for carrying purposes.
Classical is a great start, although there's not as much solo rep as for violin or piano. If you've done jazz, too, it can make that garage band stuff seem musically uninteresting (I recall John Goodman mocking the
folk singer's "cowboy chords" versus jazz using all 12 note in Inside
Llewyn Davis).
It's hard to imagine rock players starting on upright, but Jack Bruce
comes to mind.
Oh, yeah, another vocal fretless that's been in my ear forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhznTkgAaw
Armatrading with Tony Levin. Bad YouTube sound.
I also have a MarkBass for carrying purposes.Yes, that kind of thing. It's odd to heft a combo amp near twenty pounds.
I did a theater gig with a bass player who had an Ampeg fliptop. Even
the combo size was a handful weight-wise.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 10:46:09 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
c
Classical is a great start, although there's not as much solo rep as for
violin or piano. If you've done jazz, too, it can make that garage band
stuff seem musically uninteresting (I recall John Goodman mocking the
folk singer's "cowboy chords" versus jazz using all 12 note in Inside
Llewyn Davis).
My music started much earlier. Clarinet. at 8 years old
So I am grounded in classical
And it actually greatly influenced my bass playing,
I use chromatics and scales a lot.
It's hard to imagine rock players starting on upright, but Jack Bruce
comes to mind.
Oh, yeah, another vocal fretless that's been in my ear forever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhznTkgAaw
Armatrading with Tony Levin. Bad YouTube sound.
Never heard that before, but its in my ear now.
I also have a MarkBass for carrying purposes.Yes, that kind of thing. It's odd to heft a combo amp near twenty pounds.
I did a theater gig with a bass player who had an Ampeg fliptop. Even
the combo size was a handful weight-wise.
My friend has one. Its actually his lightweight solution!!!!!
Because he favors Ampeg SVT's
You call that "works"?Nonetheless, it has an audience and has even been choreographed.
And the piece was misnamed.
I would call it "Toothache in C"
It was reminiscent of an Impressionistic rendition of a root canal.
You call that "works"?Nonetheless, it has an audience and has even been choreographed.
And the piece was misnamed.
I would call it "Toothache in C"
It was reminiscent of an Impressionistic rendition of a root canal.
The smattering of applause was from the people who were glad it was over.
The real name of the piece is "Tery Riley in C"
Here is a better version
"Baby Riley in C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUZV6GjxxE
Must be the same Riley.
On 8/11/23 3:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You call that "works"?Nonetheless, it has an audience and has even been choreographed.
And the piece was misnamed.
I would call it "Toothache in C"
It was reminiscent of an Impressionistic rendition of a root canal.
The smattering of applause was from the people who were glad it was over.
The real name of the piece is "Tery Riley in C"
Here is a better version
"Baby Riley in C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUZV6GjxxEA closer resemblance is "Baba O'Riley" (in F).
Must be the same Riley.
https://americansongwriter.com/behind-the-meaning-of-the-song-baba-oriley-by-the-who/
"The actual title of the song is a result of two major inspirations of Townshend: Meher Baba (an Iranian spiritual master) and Terry Riley (an American composer)."
And the choreography:
"Trailer »In C« - Sasha Waltz & Guests - Terry Riley"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHntMt4t1yk&t=30sk
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:33:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/11/23 3:20 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
A closer resemblance is "Baba O'Riley" (in F).You call that "works"?Nonetheless, it has an audience and has even been choreographed.
And the piece was misnamed.
I would call it "Toothache in C"
It was reminiscent of an Impressionistic rendition of a root canal.
The smattering of applause was from the people who were glad it was over. >>>
The real name of the piece is "Tery Riley in C"
Here is a better version
"Baby Riley in C"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUZV6GjxxE
Must be the same Riley.
https://americansongwriter.com/behind-the-meaning-of-the-song-baba-oriley-by-the-who/
"The actual title of the song is a result of two major inspirations of
Townshend: Meher Baba (an Iranian spiritual master) and Terry Riley (an
American composer)."
And the choreography:
"Trailer »In C« - Sasha Waltz & Guests - Terry Riley"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHntMt4t1yk&t=30sk
I too can shrug my shoulders and do a zombie walk like I'm on Tranq.
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