A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the woke
progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve.
And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.No such thing.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the woke progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve. And this kind of result happens when crime victims knowCrime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the wokeCrime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve. >>> And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
such thing
On 8/2/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the wokeCrime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve. >>> And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
such thingSuch thievery exists in all kinds of cities with all kinds of policing.
Cue Trevor if there are guns involved.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Such thievery exists in all kinds of cities with all kinds of policing.
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the wokeCrime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve. >>>>> And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
such thing
Cue Trevor if there are guns involved.
NONONO NO NO
I'm not gonna let you get away with that!
Shoplifters do not roll in a giant trash bin and brazenly load it up
by sweeping armloads of goods off the shelves.
Not unless they know that they won't be prsecuted
and not unless they know that police will either take a long time to respond, or not even respond at all to shoplifting calls
Jus five years ago this kind of brazen shoplifting did not occur.
The normal m.o. for shoplifters was to CONCEAL the crime.
On 8/2/23 5:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Such thievery exists in all kinds of cities with all kinds of policing. >> Cue Trevor if there are guns involved.
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the woke >>>>> progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve.Crime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
such thing
NONONO NO NOIf there are guns involved, gun control is a legitimate response.
I'm not gonna let you get away with that!
Shoplifters do not roll in a giant trash bin and brazenly load it upThat's a smash and grab. Not invented yesterday.
by sweeping armloads of goods off the shelves.
Not unless they know that they won't be prsecutedSmash and grabs happened even in the face of Biden's draconian crime
and not unless they know that police will either take a long time to respond,
or not even respond at all to shoplifting calls
control act in the nineties.
Jus five years ago this kind of brazen shoplifting did not occur.Talk about your confirmation bias.
The normal m.o. for shoplifters was to CONCEAL the crime.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/09/15/thieves-steal-nearly-1m-in-smash-and-grab-robbery/
"Police say the smash and grab jewelry heist happened in broad daylight
at De Boulle Tuesday evening in the River Oaks area, leaving those in
the jewelry business on edge."
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/leader-robbery-crew-staged-string-jewelry-store-heists-netted-6-million-sentenced-55
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/05/spicer-greene-robbery-remains-under-investigation/101322014/
"The robbery took place around 4:15 p.m. Wednesday at Spicer Greene Jewelers, located on Patton Avenue.
Three suspects wearing motorcycle helmets and wielding a hammer and a handgun robbed the store in an unusual smash and grab crime, according
to Asheville police."
https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/video-2m-stolen-in-smash-and-grab-jewelry-heist/
"Surveillance video caught the moment a man smashed jewelry display
cases with a hammer so another man could reach in and grab what was
inside. Sugar Land police say the suspects got away with $2 million in jewels."
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/irvine-jewelry-store-robbers-are-seen-on-video-with-hammers-and-trashcans-in-a-900000-smash-and-grab/
"Three suspects armed with hammers made off with nearly a million
dollars in stolen jewelry after committing a brazen smash-and-grab
robbery in Irvine on Monday."
On 8/2/23 5:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Such thievery exists in all kinds of cities with all kinds of policing. >> Cue Trevor if there are guns involved.
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the woke >>>>> progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve.Crime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away.
such thing
NONONO NO NOIf there are guns involved, gun control is a legitimate response.
I'm not gonna let you get away with that!
Shoplifters do not roll in a giant trash bin and brazenly load it upThat's a smash and grab. Not invented yesterday.
by sweeping armloads of goods off the shelves.
Not unless they know that they won't be prsecutedSmash and grabs happened even in the face of Biden's draconian crime
and not unless they know that police will either take a long time to respond,
or not even respond at all to shoplifting calls
control act in the nineties.
Jus five years ago this kind of brazen shoplifting did not occur.Talk about your confirmation bias.
The normal m.o. for shoplifters was to CONCEAL the crime.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/09/15/thieves-steal-nearly-1m-in-smash-and-grab-robbery/
"Police say the smash and grab jewelry heist happened in broad daylight
at De Boulle Tuesday evening in the River Oaks area, leaving those in
the jewelry business on edge."
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/leader-robbery-crew-staged-string-jewelry-store-heists-netted-6-million-sentenced-55
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/05/spicer-greene-robbery-remains-under-investigation/101322014/
"The robbery took place around 4:15 p.m. Wednesday at Spicer Greene Jewelers, located on Patton Avenue.
Three suspects wearing motorcycle helmets and wielding a hammer and a handgun robbed the store in an unusual smash and grab crime, according
to Asheville police."
https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/video-2m-stolen-in-smash-and-grab-jewelry-heist/
"Surveillance video caught the moment a man smashed jewelry display
cases with a hammer so another man could reach in and grab what was
inside. Sugar Land police say the suspects got away with $2 million in jewels."
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/irvine-jewelry-store-robbers-are-seen-on-video-with-hammers-and-trashcans-in-a-900000-smash-and-grab/
"Three suspects armed with hammers made off with nearly a million
dollars in stolen jewelry after committing a brazen smash-and-grab
robbery in Irvine on Monday."
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:03:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 5:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:32:22 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:If there are guns involved, gun control is a legitimate response.
On 8/2/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:16:49 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Such thievery exists in all kinds of cities with all kinds of policing. >>>> Cue Trevor if there are guns involved.
On 8/2/23 12:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
No such thing.
A 'must see' video is embedded in this article.
This kind of thievery is what happens when cities follow the woke >>>>>>> progressive policies favored by imbeciles such as our own Marxist Steve.
And this kind of result happens when crime victims know
that a police response, if any, is more than thirty minutes away. >>>>>> Crime is due to progressive policies? No arguing with that.
such thing
NONONO NO NO
I'm not gonna let you get away with that!
Shoplifters do not roll in a giant trash bin and brazenly load it upThat's a smash and grab. Not invented yesterday.
by sweeping armloads of goods off the shelves.
Not unless they know that they won't be prsecutedSmash and grabs happened even in the face of Biden's draconian crime
and not unless they know that police will either take a long time to respond,
or not even respond at all to shoplifting calls
control act in the nineties.
Jus five years ago this kind of brazen shoplifting did not occur.Talk about your confirmation bias.
The normal m.o. for shoplifters was to CONCEAL the crime.
There was no smash, other than the employee's reaction
It was a convenience store, not a high end robbery
It was shoplifting by a spaced out lunatic, not an orchestrated professional heist of valuables.
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal their identities.
They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a convenience store. This is because of prog laws defunding police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft,
no cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal their identities. They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a convenience store.
This is because of prog laws defunding police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft,
no cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.Maybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and pathetic
attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal their identities. They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a convenience store.
This is because of prog laws defunding police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft,
no cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.Maybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and pathetic
attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:35:01 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal their identities.Maybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and pathetic
They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a convenience store.
This is because of prog laws defunding police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft,
no cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
Noting is sadder than your delusional denial of reality.
I'm just trying to help you.
I'm leading you to your first step out of the twelve.
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:35:01 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal their identities. >>> They are often armed.Maybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and pathetic
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a convenience store.
This is because of prog laws defunding police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft,
no cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
Noting is sadder than your delusional denial of reality.Your first response was better.
I'm just trying to help you.
I'm leading you to your first step out of the twelve.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:35:01 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Your first response was better.
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal theirMaybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and
identities. They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a
convenience store. This is because of prog laws defunding
police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft, no
cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these
crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
pathetic attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
Noting is sadder than your delusional denial of reality. I'm just
trying to help you. I'm leading you to your first step out of the
twelve.
And this response is the best. I truly believe that you know the
truth, that your woke criminal justiceprogram
is a complete and utter failure. You know that property crimes are
rampant as a result.
I know that your denials are insincere, and that they are all lies.
Nobody can be that stupid to believe that the crime situation in
major cities are just as they always have been, and no worse than
before.
And don't cite apples to oranges crime statistics. When authorities
change the laws and definitions as to what constitute crimes, and
change the levels of criminal culpability, statistics cannot be used
to judge year to year changes.
On 8/3/23 3:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:35:01 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Your first response was better.
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal theirMaybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and
identities. They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a
convenience store. This is because of prog laws defunding
police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft, no
cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these
crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
pathetic attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
Noting is sadder than your delusional denial of reality. I'm just
trying to help you. I'm leading you to your first step out of the
twelve.
And this response is the best. I truly believe that you know theNo such thing.
truth, that your woke criminal justiceprogram
is a complete and utter failure. You know that property crimes areWhere? Show my "woke criminal justiceprogram" was completely and conscientiously applied and crime went up afterward. Show crime didn't
rampant as a result.
also go up in places where there was no reform.
I know that your denials are insincere, and that they are all lies.Lies require knowledge and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can be that stupid to believe that the crime situation inI don't believe that because the crime situation is much better:
major cities are just as they always have been, and no worse than
before.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/crime-trends-1990-2016
"KEY FACT: The national crime rate peaked in 1991 at 5,856 crimes per 100,000 people, and has generally been declining ever since."
You can find some specific exceptions such as Chicago murder rates if
you click thru.
This one's cheeky, but you might like the Baltimore connection:
https://accidentalfire.com/2021/04/27/myth-increasing-violent-crime-america/
Too bad the link for the original FBI chart is broken.
And don't cite apples to oranges crime statistics. When authoritiesWell, when there's an "almost exact 50% decline in violent crime overall
change the laws and definitions as to what constitute crimes, and
change the levels of criminal culpability, statistics cannot be used
to judge year to year changes.
in America from 1991 to 2019," some of that nuance isn't really
necessary, but to be specific, the FBI larceny-theft category seems the right measure if you're talking about shoplifting.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191247/reported-larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
"In 2021, the nationwide larceny-theft rate in the United States was
1,394.1 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the previous year, when the larceny-theft rate stood at 1,476.5 cases per 100,000 of the population."
The rate in 1990? 3194.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 5:00:56 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191247/reported-larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
"In 2021, the nationwide larceny-theft rate in the United States was >> 1,394.1 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease
from the previous year, when the larceny-theft rate stood at
1,476.5 cases per 100,000 of the population."
The rate in 1990? 3194.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.
Like i said, when you change the definition and classifications of
crimes, year to year stat comparisons fly out the window,
When you defund police and create man power shortages that increase
response times, and when you fail to process court proceedings,
people lose faith and stop reporting crimes. Because it devolves into
serving no useful purpose.
I have explained this to you multiple times, but you are either too
stupid, or too stubborn, to get it,
I have explained this to you multiple times, but you are either tooThat I'm not receptive when you recite your dogma is not an indication
stupid, or too stubborn, to get it,
of stupidity.
mINE109 wrote:
Is there a term for someone who is unable to distinguish belief from knowledge?I have explained this to you multiple times, but you are either tooThat I'm not receptive when you recite your dogma is not an indication
stupid, or too stubborn, to get it,
of stupidity.
Other than pat labels like religious zealot, that is.
On 8/4/23 1:09 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
mINE109 wrote:
What's the opposite of an empiricist or positivist? My philosophy is strictly second hand, but I wonder if Sackie skipped Kierkegaard in his great books education.Is there a term for someone who is unable to distinguish belief from knowledge?I have explained this to you multiple times, but you are either tooThat I'm not receptive when you recite your dogma is not an indication
stupid, or too stubborn, to get it,
of stupidity.
Other than pat labels like religious zealot, that is.
The Stanford philosophy blog suggests Rationalist, which includes the following:
The Intuition/Deduction Thesis: Some propositions in a particular
subject area, S, are knowable by us by intuition alone; still others are knowable by being deduced from intuited propositions.
The Innate Knowledge Thesis: We have knowledge of some truths in a particular subject area, S, as part of our nature.
The Innate Concept Thesis: We have some of the concepts we employ in a particular subject area, S, as part of our rational nature.
Also,
The Indispensability of Reason Thesis: The knowledge we gain in subject area, S, by intuition and deduction, as well as the ideas and instances
of knowledge in S that are innate to us, could not have been gained by
us through sense experience.
The Superiority of Reason Thesis: The knowledge we gain in subject area
S by intuition and deduction or have innately is superior to any
knowledge gained by sense experience.
Looks like falsifiability isn't on the menu for the Rationalist. Art's reason is superior to my experience so that's that.
On 8/3/23 3:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:35:01 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:Your first response was better.
On 8/2/23 9:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Smash and grabbers are pros who wear masks to conceal theirMaybe stick with your first response. Adding insults and
identities. They are often armed.
This is just a street lunatic who shoplifted candy from a
convenience store. This is because of prog laws defunding
police, laws decriminalizing or reducing retail theft, no
cash bail, and prosecutors who refuse to prosecute these
crimes.
It's about time for your intervention.
pathetic attempts at bullying just make you look sad.
Noting is sadder than your delusional denial of reality. I'm just
trying to help you. I'm leading you to your first step out of the
twelve.
And this response is the best. I truly believe that you know theNo such thing.
truth, that your woke criminal justiceprogram
is a complete and utter failure. You know that property crimes areWhere? Show my "woke criminal justiceprogram" was completely and conscientiously applied and crime went up afterward. Show crime didn't
rampant as a result.
also go up in places where there was no reform.
I know that your denials are insincere, and that they are all lies.Lies require knowledge and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Nobody can be that stupid to believe that the crime situation inI don't believe that because the crime situation is much better:
major cities are just as they always have been, and no worse than
before.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/crime-trends-1990-2016
"KEY FACT: The national crime rate peaked in 1991 at 5,856 crimes per 100,000 people, and has generally been declining ever since."
You can find some specific exceptions such as Chicago murder rates if
you click thru.
This one's cheeky, but you might like the Baltimore connection:
https://accidentalfire.com/2021/04/27/myth-increasing-violent-crime-america/
Too bad the link for the original FBI chart is broken.
And don't cite apples to oranges crime statistics. When authoritiesWell, when there's an "almost exact 50% decline in violent crime overall
change the laws and definitions as to what constitute crimes, and
change the levels of criminal culpability, statistics cannot be used
to judge year to year changes.
in America from 1991 to 2019," some of that nuance isn't really
necessary, but to be specific, the FBI larceny-theft category seems the right measure if you're talking about shoplifting.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191247/reported-larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
"In 2021, the nationwide larceny-theft rate in the United States was
1,394.1 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the previous year, when the larceny-theft rate stood at 1,476.5 cases per 100,000 of the population."
The rate in 1990? 3194.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:00:56 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 3:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Nobody can be that stupid to believe that the crime situation inI don't believe that because the crime situation is much better:
major cities are just as they always have been, and no worse than
before.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/crime-trends-1990-2016
https://accidentalfire.com/2021/04/27/myth-increasing-violent-crime-america/ >>
Too bad the link for the original FBI chart is broken.
And don't cite apples to oranges crime statistics. When authorities
change the laws and definitions as to what constitute crimes, and
change the levels of criminal culpability, statistics cannot be used
to judge year to year changes.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191247/reported-larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
"In 2021, the nationwide larceny-theft rate in the United States was
1,394.1 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the
previous year, when the larceny-theft rate stood at 1,476.5 cases per
100,000 of the population."
The rate in 1990? 3194.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.
Can you provide the sourec of this "information"?
Statista won't give it.
I can speculate a bit on why this number declined.
Over the period in question the number of Police Depts. reporting data to feds
increased. Many of these were smaller towns of low crime rates.
More data from low crime towns....less crime per capita.
Nationwide declines in crime aren't going to save San Francisco.
And it's good to know that violent crime is down 50% while gun ownership has skyrocketed.
Could be a connection. Somebody wake Trevor and let him know.
On 8/5/23 10:51 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:00:56 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 3:27 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/3/23 11:51 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
Nobody can be that stupid to believe that the crime situation inI don't believe that because the crime situation is much better:
major cities are just as they always have been, and no worse than
before.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/crime-trends-1990-2016
https://accidentalfire.com/2021/04/27/myth-increasing-violent-crime-america/
Too bad the link for the original FBI chart is broken.
And don't cite apples to oranges crime statistics. When authoritieshttps://www.statista.com/statistics/191247/reported-larceny-theft-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
change the laws and definitions as to what constitute crimes, and
change the levels of criminal culpability, statistics cannot be used
to judge year to year changes.
"In 2021, the nationwide larceny-theft rate in the United States was
1,394.1 cases per 100,000 of the population. This is a decrease from the >> previous year, when the larceny-theft rate stood at 1,476.5 cases per
100,000 of the population."
The rate in 1990? 3194.8 cases per 100,000 of the population.
Can you provide the sourec of this "information"?There's a similar drop in violent crimes shown in a graph at
Statista won't give it.
accidentalfire that cites the FBI, but that link's broken.
It's real, despite your quotation marks.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-1
This shows a drop from 2,550.7/1000k (1998) to 1,594.6/100k (2018).
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/larceny-theft.pdf
2019 was 1,549.5 per 100,000.
Please explain to Art that the 'UCR' stands for "Uniform Crime Rate."
There is a change in 2021, though.
I can speculate a bit on why this number declined.Crime went down.
Over the period in question the number of Police Depts. reporting data to fedsWell-speculated. Show evidence this is so. In the real world:
increased. Many of these were smaller towns of low crime rates.
More data from low crime towns....less crime per capita.
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/property-crime
"In 2021, the FBI estimated crime statistics for the nation are based on data received from 11,794 of 18,806 law enforcement agencies in the
country that year."
"In 1990, the FBI estimated crime statistics for the nation are based on data received from 13,918 of 15,868 law enforcement agencies in the
country that year."
Maybe the two thousand agencies missing were from such high crime areas
they accounted for half the reports before they went silent, but the decrease in the number of agencies is the opposite of your guess.
Following the filter links show counts of larceny (not rates) going from 7,355,155 in 1990 to 2,864,768 in 2021.
Nationwide declines in crime aren't going to save San Francisco.San Francisco isn't only the downtown and high-crime areas like the Tenderloin and SoMa.
And it's good to know that violent crime is down 50% while gun ownership has skyrocketed.Ironically, some credit the ban on lead gasoline. No lead in the tank cancels lead on the street. Too bad about that recent spike in homicide, though, even if it falls short of 1990.
Could be a connection. Somebody wake Trevor and let him know.
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores,
and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
On 8/5/23 5:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores,
and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
Use up your free Atlantic articles:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/what-caused-the-crime-decline/477408/
In the early 1990s, U.S. crime rates had been on a steep upward climb
since the Lyndon B. Johnson presidency. The crack-cocaine epidemic in
the mid-1980s added fuel to the fire, and handgun-related homicides more than doubled from 1985 to 1990. That year, murders peaked in New York
City with 2,245 killings. Politicians embraced tough-on-crime platforms
and enacted harshly punitive policies. Experts warned the worst could be
yet to come.
Then crime rates went down. And then they kept going down.
By the decade’s end, the homicide rate plunged 42 percent nationwide. Violent crime decreased by one-third. What turned into a precipitous
decline started later in some areas and took longer in others. But it happened everywhere: in each region of the country, in cities large and small, in rural and urban areas alike. In the Northeast, which reaped
the largest benefits, the homicide rate was halved. Murders plummeted by
75 percent in New York City alone as the city entered the new millennium.
The trend kept ticking downward from there, more slowly and with some fluctuations, to the present day. By virtually any metric, Americans now live in one of the least violent times in the nation’s history.
End quote.
Sure, that's 2016, but here's June, 2023:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/us-murder-rate-decline-crime-statistics/674290/
I’ve found something that I’ve never seen before and that probably has not happened in decades: strong evidence of a sharp and broad decline in
the nation’s murder rate.
The United States may be experiencing one of the largest annual percent changes in murder ever recorded, according to my preliminary data. It is still early in the year and the trend could change over the second half
of the year, but data from a sufficiently large sample of big cities
have typically been a good predictor of the year-end national change in murder, even after only five months.
Murder is down about 12 percent year-to-date in more than 90 cities that have released data for 2023, compared with data as of the same date in
2022.
On 8/5/23 5:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores,
and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
How is it you can't see its rampant in major dem run metropolises like
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, it affects far fewer people
than assaults, muggings, carjackings, car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 4:19:58 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Sure, that's 2016, but here's June, 2023:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/us-murder-rate-decline-crime-statistics/674290/
Murder is down about 12 percent year-to-date in more than 90 cities that
have released data for 2023, compared with data as of the same date in
2022.
No BLM riots this year either.
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores,
and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
How is it you can't see its rampant in major dem run metropolises like
NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, Portland, Seattle, etc.
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, it affects far fewer people
than assaults, muggings, carjackings, car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
On 8/5/23 11:24 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores, >>> and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
How is it you can't see its rampant in major dem run metropolises like NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, Portland, Seattle, etc.Rampant? Yes, there's crime, more in some cities and some neighborhoods,
but generally less than overall than there was thirty years ago.
Your susceptibility to recency and repetition bias is triggered when Fox plays something on a loop for a week or YouTube's algorithm knows you
engage with crime report videos and fills your feed with them.
Add a partisan wish to dump on Democrats to your biases.
Not a great source, but it cites real stats:
https://www.newsweek.com/these-republican-cities-have-higher-crime-rate-new-york-city-1794909
[NYC] roughly 5.76 murders, 456 violent crimes and 757 property crimes
per 100,000 residents in 2021.
What About Crime in GOP-Led Cities?
Many GOP-led cities reported a high crime rate than New York during that same year.
Oklahoma City, for instance, reported 11.92 murders, 627 violent crimes
and 3,716 property crimes for every 100,000 residents, according to
crime data compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).
Miami had 10.68 murders, 615 violent crimes and 3,044 property crimes
per capita.
Other GOP-led cities with higher murder rates than New York in 2021
include Jacksonville, Florida; Fresno, California; Omaha, Nebraska;
Colorado Springs, Colorado and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Fort Worth had a lower
rate of murders than New York but experienced other crimes at a higher rate.
End quote.
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, it affects far fewer peopleDid you miss my conspicuous citing of larceny-theft rates? That was deliberate in order to address your concerns about property crime.
than assaults, muggings, carjackings, car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
Are you admitting murder rates are down?
On 8/5/23 11:24 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:58 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 5:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
All looks good to Steve as the cities crumble around him.
He doesn't see stores that closed, extreme anti theft mods to stores, >>> and the general decay of city streets and environment.
Instead, he opens his search engine to find stats that confirm his bias
How is it you missed a massive downturn in crime?
How is it you can't see its rampant in major dem run metropolises like NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, Portland, Seattle, etc.Rampant? Yes, there's crime, more in some cities and some neighborhoods,
but generally less than overall than there was thirty years ago.
Your susceptibility to recency and repetition bias is triggered when Fox plays something on a loop for a week or YouTube's algorithm knows you
engage with crime report videos and fills your feed with them.
Add a partisan wish to dump on Democrats to your biases.
Not a great source, but it cites real stats:
https://www.newsweek.com/these-republican-cities-have-higher-crime-rate-new-york-city-1794909
[NYC] roughly 5.76 murders, 456 violent crimes and 757 property crimes
per 100,000 residents in 2021.
What About Crime in GOP-Led Cities?
Many GOP-led cities reported a high crime rate than New York during that same year.
Oklahoma City, for instance, reported 11.92 murders, 627 violent crimes
and 3,716 property crimes for every 100,000 residents, according to
crime data compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).
Miami had 10.68 murders, 615 violent crimes and 3,044 property crimes
per capita.
Other GOP-led cities with higher murder rates than New York in 2021
include Jacksonville, Florida; Fresno, California; Omaha, Nebraska;
Colorado Springs, Colorado and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Fort Worth had a lower
rate of murders than New York but experienced other crimes at a higher rate.
End quote.
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, it affects far fewer peopleDid you miss my conspicuous citing of larceny-theft rates? That was deliberate in order to address your concerns about property crime.
than assaults, muggings, carjackings, car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
Are you admitting murder rates are down?
O'Reilly really nailed in the Cuomo town hall. He pointed out that when Mao overthrew the
KMT nearly 40% of Chinese men were opium addicts.
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:28:59 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 11:24 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, itDid you miss my conspicuous citing of larceny-theft rates? That
affects far fewer people than assaults, muggings, carjackings,
car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
was deliberate in order to address your concerns about property
crime.
For the umpteenth time, those stats are easily manipulated by the
changing status, definitions, and thresholds of such time, as well as reporting being impacted by defunding of police and patrl shortages,
Are you admitting murder rates are down?
Some places they are up, some places they are down. Its a relativley
rare crime, so such stats, per each city, can fluctuate greatly, one
way or the other, year to year.
NYC 2022 418 murders 17,000 felony assaults
https://nypost.com/2022/12/31/nyc-murders-down-but-major-crimes-surge-as-2022-ends/
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:28:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 11:24 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, itDid you miss my conspicuous citing of larceny-theft rates? That
affects far fewer people than assaults, muggings, carjackings,
car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
was deliberate in order to address your concerns about property
crime.
Are you admitting murder rates are down?
Cuz gun ownership is up.
Meanwhile....shoplifting, smash and grabs, and open public use of
drugs have all fallen off the "reportable" list of crimes.
No wonder you think crime is down, but the people living in the middle
of it know better.
O'Reilly really nailed in the Cuomo town hall. He pointed out that
when Mao overthrew the KMT nearly 40% of Chinese men were opium
addicts. Mao eradicated opium addiction in 3 years. "Eradication
wiped out the largest ever cultivation of poppy in the world, opium
dens were shut down, opium manufacturing facilities closed, drug
traffickers summarily executed or imprisoned, and drug addicts sent
to labor camps."
Let me know when you commies are ready to act like commies.
On 8/6/23 7:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:28:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/5/23 11:24 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
You keep talking about murder, gruesome and serious as it is, itDid you miss my conspicuous citing of larceny-theft rates? That
affects far fewer people than assaults, muggings, carjackings,
car thefts, robberies and shoplifting.
was deliberate in order to address your concerns about property
crime.
Are you admitting murder rates are down?
Cuz gun ownership is up.Then why was there a recent spike in both? Why did the trend also happen
in places like Europe where there isn't a lot of gun ownership?
Wiki: A decline [in homicide rates] has been observed in the regions
Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, and Asia. In Europe,
the decline was most evident. Here, the rates dropped nearly by two
thirds, from 8.8 cases per 100,000 per year in 1994 to below 3 in 2017.
Meanwhile....shoplifting, smash and grabs, and open public use ofYou'll find "public use of drugs" was never part of the larceny-theft category I was discussing.
drugs have all fallen off the "reportable" list of crimes.
No wonder you think crime is down, but the people living in the middleBecause "experience," that is, "your gut," beats evidence"? Even if
of it know better.
property crime not reported to the police isn't in the FBI source, the National Crime Victimization Survey exists.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdf
"The rate of property crimes reported to police declined in 2021 to 27.8 victimizations per 1,000 households, from 31.2 per 1,000 in 2020. The
rate of unreported property crimes did not change significantly."
O'Reilly really nailed in the Cuomo town hall. He pointed out thatThat figure is highly suspect.
when Mao overthrew the KMT nearly 40% of Chinese men were opium
addicts. Mao eradicated opium addiction in 3 years. "Eradication
wiped out the largest ever cultivation of poppy in the world, opium
dens were shut down, opium manufacturing facilities closed, drug traffickers summarily executed or imprisoned, and drug addicts sent
to labor camps."
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:42:28 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/6/23 7:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
O'Reilly really nailed in the Cuomo town hall. He pointed outThat figure is highly suspect.
that when Mao overthrew the KMT nearly 40% of Chinese men were
opium addicts. Mao eradicated opium addiction in 3 years.
"Eradication wiped out the largest ever cultivation of poppy in
the world, opium dens were shut down, opium manufacturing
facilities closed, drug traffickers summarily executed or
imprisoned, and drug addicts sent to labor camps."
Highly suspect is all you can muster in response? GMAFB
You believe everything in wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China
The Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using
unrestrained repression and social reform.[10][11] Ten million
addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed,
and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.
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