https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fauci-collins-received-58-royalty-payments-among-325-million-companies
I've worked at a few tech companies and known people at many
more....and none of them give more than a meager bonus to employees
for their developments and inventions while employed. Employment
agreements won't even let you "create" outside of the job. That the
NIH lets employees get rich from work they performed at taxpayer
expense is nothing short of a massive ripoff of taxpayers.
On 8/9/23 12:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fauci-collins-received-58-royalty-payments-among-325-million-companies
<quote? snip>
I've worked at a few tech companies and known people at manyCongratulations! You've stumbled upon a weakness of our health system in which private companies are given monopolies to exploit taxpayer funded discoveries, except you're singling out individuals you don't like
more....and none of them give more than a meager bonus to employees
for their developments and inventions while employed. Employment agreements won't even let you "create" outside of the job. That the
NIH lets employees get rich from work they performed at taxpayer
expense is nothing short of a massive ripoff of taxpayers.
instead of looking at big pharma.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating
https://genbiz.com/monopoly-on-insulin
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/us-tax-dollars-funded-every-new-pharmaceutical-in-the-last-decade
Of course, who know what's behind your dodgy source. In the real world:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545012/
The press agency reported that two leading researchers, Anthony Fauci,
head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and
his deputy, Clifford Lane, received payments relating to their
development of interleukin 2 as a treatment for HIV/AIDS. Dr Lane told
the BMJ that the payment was part of his federal compensation. He
explained that the government patented
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 12:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fauci-collins-received-58-royalty-payments-among-325-million-companies
I've worked at a few tech companies and known people at manyCongratulations! You've stumbled upon a weakness of our health
more....and none of them give more than a meager bonus to
employees for their developments and inventions while employed.
Employment agreements won't even let you "create" outside of the
job. That the NIH lets employees get rich from work they
performed at taxpayer expense is nothing short of a massive
ripoff of taxpayers.
system in which private companies are given monopolies to exploit
taxpayer funded discoveries, except you're singling out individuals
you don't like instead of looking at big pharma.
You're an idiot. Corporations are soulless entities with no purpose
but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and refuses to pay
royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will give a shit who has the
moral high ground while you get your covid shots.
The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like a for
profit R&D company.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating
https://genbiz.com/monopoly-on-insulin
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/us-tax-dollars-funded-every-new-pharmaceutical-in-the-last-decade
Of course, who know what's behind your dodgy source. In the real world:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545012/
The press agency reported that two leading researchers, Anthony
Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious
Diseases and his deputy, Clifford Lane, received payments relating
to their development of interleukin 2 as a treatment for HIV/AIDS.
Dr Lane told the BMJ that the payment was part of his federal
compensation. He explained that the government patented
Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater good of
society should be patented at all?
and when Fauci was asked to produce his tax records showing said
charitable donations, he declined.
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:53:45 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 12:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fauci-collins-received-58-royalty-payments-among-325-million-companiesCongratulations! You've stumbled upon a weakness of our health
I've worked at a few tech companies and known people at many
more....and none of them give more than a meager bonus to
employees for their developments and inventions while employed.
Employment agreements won't even let you "create" outside of the
job. That the NIH lets employees get rich from work they
performed at taxpayer expense is nothing short of a massive
ripoff of taxpayers.
system in which private companies are given monopolies to exploit
taxpayer funded discoveries, except you're singling out individuals
you don't like instead of looking at big pharma.
You're an idiot. Corporations are soulless entities with no purposeAnd you've found another problem.
but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your covid shots.
The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like a for profit R&D company.The public pay/private profit is okay with you?
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating
https://genbiz.com/monopoly-on-insulin
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/us-tax-dollars-funded-every-new-pharmaceutical-in-the-last-decade
Of course, who know what's behind your dodgy source. In the real world:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545012/
The press agency reported that two leading researchers, Anthony
Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious
Diseases and his deputy, Clifford Lane, received payments relating
to their development of interleukin 2 as a treatment for HIV/AIDS.
Dr Lane told the BMJ that the payment was part of his federal
compensation. He explained that the government patented
Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater good ofGreat question! Short answer: capitalists believe someone should profit.
society should be patented at all?
Longer answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45080/17596_err15a_1_.pdf
and when Fauci was asked to produce his tax records showing said charitable donations, he declined.If Fauci were motivated by wealth, he'd have cashed in long ago.
Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater good of society should be patented at all?
Longer answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.Which you obviously don't understand at all.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with
on a daily basis. It's called reality.
The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like aThe public pay/private profit is okay with you?
for profit R&D company.
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freely
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what
would happen?
Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater goodGreat question! Short answer: capitalists believe someone should
of society should be patented at all?
profit.
That's BS. Private enterprise needs to profit.
Gov't is not private enterprise. They're supposed to be working for
the greater good and not lining their gov't employee pockets.
Longer answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.
Which you obviously don't understand at all.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45080/17596_err15a_1_.pdf
and when Fauci was asked to produce his tax records showing said
charitable donations, he declined.
If Fauci were motivated by wealth, he'd have cashed in long ago.
Fauci is no Jonas Salk.
On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping withThe reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good
on a daily basis. It's called reality.
for people or the planet.
The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like aThe public pay/private profit is okay with you?
for profit R&D company.
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freelyGenerics would abound. So royalties to Fauci are fine?
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what would happen?
<snip>
Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater goodGreat question! Short answer: capitalists believe someone should
of society should be patented at all?
profit.
That's BS. Private enterprise needs to profit.What happened to those soul-less corporate entities? They don't have needs.
Gov't is not private enterprise. They're supposed to be working forThen why is there a law requiring the payment of royalties to
the greater good and not lining their gov't employee pockets.
patent-holders who are government employees?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/3710c
At least you've brought "the greater good" into the equation.
Longer answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.
Which you obviously don't understand at all.I'm aware of the standard business dogma that calls profit the only
possible motivation.
OTOH, the criticisms are so well-worn there's a wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_patents
See, also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_license
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45080/17596_err15a_1_.pdf
and when Fauci was asked to produce his tax records showing said
charitable donations, he declined.
If Fauci were motivated by wealth, he'd have cashed in long ago.
Fauci is no Jonas Salk.Was there a disaster because polio vaccines were not patented?
OMG...I surrender. In the immortal words of Grace Slick....The idiots have won.Fauci is no Jonas Salk.Was there a disaster because polio vaccines were not patented?
Baby Witless weeps and wails in frustration.
OMG...I surrender. In the immortal words of Grace Slick....The idiots have won.Fauci is no Jonas Salk.Was there a disaster because polio vaccines were not patented?
Big bad Stephen is preventing duh-Scottie from making their "point".
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with
on a daily basis. It's called reality.
for people or the planet.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.
Back to hunter/gathering.
Generics would abound. So royalties to Fauci are fine?The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like aThe public pay/private profit is okay with you?
for profit R&D company.
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freely
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what
would happen?
OMFG.....
<snip>
What happened to those soul-less corporate entities? They don't have needs. >>> Gov't is not private enterprise. They're supposed to be working forExplain to me why publicly funded research for the greater goodGreat question! Short answer: capitalists believe someone should
of society should be patented at all?
profit.
That's BS. Private enterprise needs to profit.
the greater good and not lining their gov't employee pockets.Then why is there a law requiring the payment of royalties to
patent-holders who are government employees?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/3710c
I have no idea....corporations don't do this.
Fauci was getting a pretty good salary...I've read he was the top paid gov't official.
At least you've brought "the greater good" into the equation.
I'm aware of the standard business dogma that calls profit the onlyLonger answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.
Which you obviously don't understand at all.
possible motivation.
Not true....but in business without profit all other motives are doomed to fail.
Was there a disaster because polio vaccines were not patented?If Fauci were motivated by wealth, he'd have cashed in long ago.
Fauci is no Jonas Salk.
OMG...I surrender. In the immortal words of Grace Slick....The idiots have won.'
On 8/10/23 5:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good >> for people or the planet.
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with
on a daily basis. It's called reality.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.Economics is so simple when you put it that way. Never mind that markets depend on structure and regulation.
Back to hunter/gathering.
Generics would abound. So royalties to Fauci are fine?The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like aThe public pay/private profit is okay with you?
for profit R&D company.
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freely
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what >>> would happen?
OMFG.....There's a contradiction between your love of government-enforced IP monopolies and your love of laissez-faire free markets.
<snip>
What happened to those soul-less corporate entities? They don't have needs.Explain to me why publicly funded research for the greater goodGreat question! Short answer: capitalists believe someone should
of society should be patented at all?
profit.
That's BS. Private enterprise needs to profit.
Gov't is not private enterprise. They're supposed to be working forThen why is there a law requiring the payment of royalties to
the greater good and not lining their gov't employee pockets.
patent-holders who are government employees?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/3710c
I have no idea....corporations don't do this.That's because corporations aren't government agencies.
Fauci was getting a pretty good salary...I've read he was the top paid gov't official.The NIH is well-represented in the highest federal salaries but it's not college football coach money.
Doctors do well in general.
At least you've brought "the greater good" into the equation.
I'm aware of the standard business dogma that calls profit the onlyLonger answer requires a look at intellectual property rights.
Which you obviously don't understand at all.
possible motivation.
Not true....but in business without profit all other motives are doomed to fail.There's a whole category called "non-profit."
Was there a disaster because polio vaccines were not patented?If Fauci were motivated by wealth, he'd have cashed in long ago.
Fauci is no Jonas Salk.
OMG...I surrender. In the immortal words of Grace Slick....The idiots have won.'
Fauci was more successful against HIV than Salk. But you were making a
point implying chaos would ensue if government discoveries were public domain,
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:11:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/10/23 5:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Economics is so simple when you put it that way. Never mind that markets
On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good >>>> for people or the planet.
On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with
on a daily basis. It's called reality.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.
Back to hunter/gathering.
depend on structure and regulation.
Which all rests upon the foundation of making money.
There's a contradiction between your love of government-enforced IPGenerics would abound. So royalties to Fauci are fine?The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like a >>>>>>> for profit R&D company.The public pay/private profit is okay with you?
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freely
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what >>>>> would happen?
OMFG.....
monopolies and your love of laissez-faire free markets.
and Stephen's meandering again like a lost alzheimer patient.
I hear a chopper circling overhead....be on the lookout for...
On 8/11/23 11:42 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:11:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/10/23 5:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Economics is so simple when you put it that way. Never mind that markets >> depend on structure and regulation.
On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will
give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your
covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with >>>>> on a daily basis. It's called reality.
for people or the planet.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.
Back to hunter/gathering.
Which all rests upon the foundation of making money.Tempered by a consideration of the greater good. Think of war-time price controls.
There's a contradiction between your love of government-enforced IPGenerics would abound. So royalties to Fauci are fine?The problem isn't "big pharma". The problem is NIH acting like a >>>>>>> for profit R&D company.The public pay/private profit is okay with you?
It's for public benefit. If they made their discoveries freely
available to all what do you suppose would happen in the market
place? Let's think....more suppliers....lower IP costs. Hmmmm....what >>>>> would happen?
OMFG.....
monopolies and your love of laissez-faire free markets.
and Stephen's meandering again like a lost alzheimer patient.I think I'll continue ignoring your non sequitors.
I hear a chopper circling overhead....be on the lookout for...
While I mock yours.and Stephen's meandering again like a lost alzheimer patient.I think I'll continue ignoring your non sequitors.
I hear a chopper circling overhead....be on the lookout for...
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:29:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/11/23 11:42 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:11:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Tempered by a consideration of the greater good. Think of war-time price
On 8/10/23 5:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:Economics is so simple when you put it that way. Never mind that markets >>>> depend on structure and regulation.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good >>>>>> for people or the planet.
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and
refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will >>>>>>>>> give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your >>>>>>>>> covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with >>>>>>> on a daily basis. It's called reality.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.
Back to hunter/gathering.
Which all rests upon the foundation of making money.
controls.
Which only manage to prevent profiteering but don't put goods on the shelves.
Using wartime as an example is really ludicrous.
The doggie goes, "woof!" The moron goes, "woof-woof!" The doggie's
leash stretches and snaps as it lunges for its own paw....
First you have a tantrum because your "point" is ignored.
While I mock yours.and Stephen's meandering again like a lost alzheimer patient.I think I'll continue ignoring your non sequitors.
I hear a chopper circling overhead....be on the lookout for...
Then you have a bigger tantrum because you forgot to stick to your own "point".
Then you swizzle yourself into a tizzy because you can't remember why you posted in the first place, and in high dudgeon and clanky reverse gear, you claim to be mocking what you forgot to say in the first place.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Especially considering that some MAGA-turds threw theirs away voluntarily.
On 8/11/23 5:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:29:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 8/11/23 11:42 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 6:11:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Tempered by a consideration of the greater good. Think of war-time price >> controls.
On 8/10/23 5:14 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 8/10/23 12:40 PM, ScottW wrote:Economics is so simple when you put it that way. Never mind that markets
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/9/23 4:43 PM, ScottW wrote:The reality is that the short-term profit motive is not necessarily good
Corporations are soulless entities with noAnd you've found another problem.
purpose but to profit. If one corporation grows a soul and >>>>>>>>> refuses to pay royalties 10 others will. Not likely you will >>>>>>>>> give a shit who has the moral high ground while you get your >>>>>>>>> covid shots.
It's not a problem...it's just that thing you struggle coping with >>>>>>> on a daily basis. It's called reality.
for people or the planet.
Take away profit motive and what do you get? Not much.
Back to hunter/gathering.
depend on structure and regulation.
Which all rests upon the foundation of making money.
Which only manage to prevent profiteering but don't put goods on the shelves.Greater good taking precedence (note) over profit.
Using wartime as an example is really ludicrous.
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