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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 07:54:42 2023
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Aug 16 11:10:13 2023
    On 8/16/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/we-could-be-16-years-into-a-methane-fueled-termination-event-significant-enough-to-end-an-ice-age/ar-AA1flo3y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5fca013a7fa942298666499fdcb445f4&ei=13

    Joe's (and Trevor's) plan never had a prayer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Reaction

    "The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy is a book by
    theorist Albert O. Hirschman, which styles the rhetoric of conservatism
    in opposition to social change as consisting of three narratives:
    perversity, futility, and jeopardy, and that, further, these narratives
    are simplistic and flawed, and cut off debate."

    This one's 'futility.'

    To the rescue: Saharan dust

    https://nltimes.nl/2023/08/15/sahara-dust-helps-remove-greenhouse-gas-methane-atmosphere-research

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    https://guidehouseinsights.com/news-and-views/what-the-ira-means-for-carbon-capture-and-storage

    tl/dr: more carbon capture and storage

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 21:36:54 2023
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/we-could-be-16-years-into-a-methane-fueled-termination-event-significant-enough-to-end-an-ice-age/ar-AA1flo3y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5fca013a7fa942298666499fdcb445f4&ei=13

    Joe's (and Trevor's) plan never had a prayer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Reaction

    "The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy is a book by theorist Albert O. Hirschman, which styles the rhetoric of conservatism
    in opposition to social change as consisting of three narratives: perversity, futility, and jeopardy, and that, further, these narratives
    are simplistic and flawed, and cut off debate."

    This one's 'futility.'

    To the rescue: Saharan dust

    https://nltimes.nl/2023/08/15/sahara-dust-helps-remove-greenhouse-gas-methane-atmosphere-research

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Aug 17 07:30:49 2023
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.

    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    There's also the advantage of not paying the Saudis, who are in the
    process of raising your gasoline prices.

    https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/080823-opec-crude-production-at-lowest-since-august-2021-on-saudi-cut-platts-survey

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 17 09:12:08 2023
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.
    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.

    (snip the whataboutism as we have plenty of our own oil if we just drill baby drill)

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Aug 17 12:36:23 2023
    On 8/17/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.
    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.

    So a good comparison of rates with a similar amount of renewable.

    (snip the whataboutism as we have plenty of our own oil if we just drill baby drill)

    We're already the number one producer.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 17 14:22:32 2023
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.
    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.
    So a good comparison of rates with a similar amount of renewable.

    Ok...let's comare.

    Texas (a republican run state) can implement renewables at a reasonable cost while Ca. (a dem run state) can't.

    Ok....good comparison.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Aug 17 18:41:11 2023
    On 8/17/23 4:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.
    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.
    So a good comparison of rates with a similar amount of renewable.

    Ok...let's comare.

    Texas (a republican run state) can implement renewables at a reasonable cost while Ca. (a dem run state) can't.

    Ok....good comparison.

    Except we were talking about cities: liberal oasis Austin vs
    conservative stronghold San Diego.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 17 20:15:31 2023
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 4:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>
    Also,

    https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/new-us-renewable-energy/

    "This year, the U.S. plans to get over 80% of its new energy
    installations from sources like battery, solar, and wind."

    And make you pay through the nose for it.
    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50%
    renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.
    So a good comparison of rates with a similar amount of renewable.

    Ok...let's comare.

    Texas (a republican run state) can implement renewables at a reasonable cost
    while Ca. (a dem run state) can't.

    Ok....good comparison.
    Except we were talking about cities: liberal oasis Austin vs
    conservative stronghold San Diego.

    Conservative stronghold? Perhaps relative to loonyville San Fran but
    far from even moderate relative to the rest of the country.
    That's just delusional. Biden won SD county with over 60%.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Aug 18 08:48:35 2023
    On 8/17/23 10:15 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 4:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:36:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/17/23 11:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 5:30:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 11:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 9:10:17 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Didn't we recently compare electricity rates? How did Austin's 50% >>>>>> renewable compare to SDGE's?

    SDGE claims 55%.
    So a good comparison of rates with a similar amount of renewable.

    Ok...let's comare.

    Texas (a republican run state) can implement renewables at a reasonable cost
    while Ca. (a dem run state) can't.

    Ok....good comparison.
    Except we were talking about cities: liberal oasis Austin vs
    conservative stronghold San Diego.

    Conservative stronghold? Perhaps relative to loonyville San Fran but
    far from even moderate relative to the rest of the country.
    That's just delusional. Biden won SD county with over 60%.

    Have you never been to San Diego? Maybe my impression is out of date.
    Yes, that Biden thing is a recent development:

    https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2022/11/07/how-san-diegos-political-map-shifted-from-red-to-blue-and-what-comes-next

    "These San Diego County residents are part of a political shift seen in
    voter registration data between 2004 and 2020. The shift, which started
    slow and picked up steam in recent election cycles, has transformed San
    Diego from a reliably red county to the light blue county it is today."

    My association is grumpy retired military and openly conservative biased
    media.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_San_Diego_County

    "Before 2008, San Diego County historically had been a Republican
    stronghold. The Republican presidential nominee carried the county in
    every presidential election from 1948 through 2004, except in 1992 when
    Bill Clinton won a plurality."

    Yes, I'm just out-of-date. Well, if Orange County can turn blue, so can
    San Diego.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 18 21:37:32 2023
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:10:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/we-could-be-16-years-into-a-methane-fueled-termination-event-significant-enough-to-end-an-ice-age/ar-AA1flo3y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5fca013a7fa942298666499fdcb445f4&ei=13

    Joe's (and Trevor's) plan never had a prayer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Reaction

    "The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy is a book by theorist Albert O. Hirschman, which styles the rhetoric of conservatism
    in opposition to social change as consisting of three narratives: perversity, futility, and jeopardy, and that, further, these narratives
    are simplistic and flawed, and cut off debate."



    Hoo Boy
    Another left wing theorist pops out of Stave's ass.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Aug 23 09:36:30 2023
    On 8/18/23 11:37 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 12:10:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/16/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/we-could-be-16-years-into-a-methane-fueled-termination-event-significant-enough-to-end-an-ice-age/ar-AA1flo3y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5fca013a7fa942298666499fdcb445f4&ei=13

    Joe's (and Trevor's) plan never had a prayer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Reaction

    "The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy is a book by
    theorist Albert O. Hirschman, which styles the rhetoric of conservatism
    in opposition to social change as consisting of three narratives:
    perversity, futility, and jeopardy, and that, further, these narratives
    are simplistic and flawed, and cut off debate."

    Hoo Boy
    Another left wing theorist

    Not to worry, there are plenty more where that comes from:

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/20/politics/conservatives-verbal-combat-blake-cec/

    But there is one political battleground where Republicans triumph
    virtually every time — and control of this arena could determine who
    wins the White House in 2024.

    Republicans are masters of verbal jiu-jitsu. It’s a form of linguistic
    combat in which the practitioner takes a political phrase or concept popularized by their opponent and gradually turns into an unusable slur.
    Like the Japanese martial art known as jiu-jitsu, its devotees avoid
    taking opposing arguments head on and instead redirect their opponents’ momentum to beat them...

    Mention almost any touchstone phrase adopted by the left in recent years
    — “critical race theory,” “diversity,” “global warming,” even the word
    “liberal” itself — and it has been redefined or tarnished by conservatives...

    Whatever the method, this form of verbal jiu-jitsu is used for one
    purpose, says Robin DiAngelo, author of “White Fragility,” a popular
    book that spawned another popular liberal catchphrase.

    “The function is to silence the conversation and to protect the status quo,” DiAngelo says. “It doesn’t have to make sense. It just has to work and get race off the table and prevent any challenges to the status quo.”

    End quote.

    Long list of successfully repurposed terms: CRT, DEI, social justice,
    global warming, etc.

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