• The politics in science

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 10:49:58 2023
    "This is a common avenue taken by 'climate sceptics' in order to avoid peer review by real experts in the field."

    So you must survive the "real expert" gauntlet.

    Who decides who is "real"? Covid and the Fauci clearly showed experts can be easily bought.

    In this case the justification for withdrawal of the paper is never really made.
    It's assertions but no facts.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/top-science-publisher-withdraws-flawed-climate-study/ar-AA1fIFb1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=487e0b8bb09e415f8003e8745a020d54&ei=9

    Maybe it is flawed....or maybe the real experts are there to make sure the truth isn't really well known. I give it 50-50 either way.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Aug 24 15:29:21 2023
    On 8/24/23 12:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Who decides who is "real"?

    Not you.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Aug 25 07:16:03 2023
    On 25/08/2023 3:49 am, ScottW wrote:
    "This is a common avenue taken by 'climate sceptics' in order to avoid peer review by real experts in the field."

    **There are no 'climate sceptics'.

    There are scientists and deniers. There is nothing in between. Climate
    change is real and it is being caused by human emission of GHGs. We know
    this as a fact. Arrhenius first proposed the theory and not once in the
    past 120+ years has any successful challenge to the Arrhenius theory
    been presented. NOT ONCE. In recent years, modern techniques have merely
    shown that Arrhenius was right.


    So you must survive the "real expert" gauntlet.

    Who decides who is "real"?

    **Not religious fruitcakes, nor politicians, nor deniers and
    anti-vaxxers. Proper, qualified scientists who study the particular
    topic decide.


    Covid and the Fauci clearly showed experts can be easily bought.

    **Really? Sounds like more ignorant bullshit to me.


    In this case the justification for withdrawal of the paper is never
    really made.

    **Wrong:

    "Several climate scientists contacted by AFP said the study manipulated
    data, cherry picked facts and ignored others that would contradict their assertions, prompting the publisher to launch an internal review."

    So, the paper was withdrawn, because the 'science' presented was poor
    quality.


    It's assertions but no facts.

    **Wrong. It is the LACK of facts that caused the withdrawal of the
    paper. It's how the peer-review process works.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/top-science-publisher-withdraws-flawed-climate-study/ar-AA1fIFb1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=487e0b8bb09e415f8003e8745a020d54&ei=9

    Maybe it is flawed....or maybe the real experts are there to make sure the truth isn't really well known. I give it 50-50 either way.

    **You'd give it 50:50 because you are an idiot.


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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Trevor Wilson on Thu Aug 24 19:31:34 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 25/08/2023 3:49 am, ScottW wrote:
    "This is a common avenue taken by 'climate sceptics' in order to avoid peer review by real experts in the field."
    **There are no 'climate sceptics'.

    There are scientists and deniers. There is nothing in between. Climate change is real and it is being caused by human emission of GHGs. We know this as a fact.

    Trevor has no idea what the sun is. He doesn't get out much.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Aug 27 19:22:48 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
    On 25/08/2023 3:49 am, ScottW wrote:
    "This is a common avenue taken by 'climate sceptics' in order to avoid peer review by real experts in the field."
    **There are no 'climate sceptics'.

    There are scientists and deniers. There is nothing in between. Climate change is real and it is being caused by human emission of GHGs. We know this as a fact.
    Trevor has no idea what the sun is. He doesn't get out much.

    ScottW

    It's winter down under.

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