• Thank Bidenomics

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 09:13:34 2023
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 30 11:02:12 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html
    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession, manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Did duh-Scottie cite yet another source that undermines their own point instead of supporting it?
    This behavior must be a cry for help from poor Witlessmongrel.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Aug 30 12:52:13 2023
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession, manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Wed Aug 30 13:24:26 2023
    On 8/30/23 1:02 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html
    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession,
    manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Did duh-Scottie cite yet another source that undermines their own point instead of supporting it?
    This behavior must be a cry for help from poor Witlessmongrel.

    Dunno. I normally don't chase his blind links. Let's look...

    He's blaming Biden for food prices rising. They are but more slowly than
    they did last year. His source cites the USDA. The USDA:

    "Food prices are expected to grow more slowly in 2023 than in 2022 but
    still at above historical-average rates. In 2023, all food prices are
    predicted to increase 5.9 percent, with a prediction interval of 5.3 to
    6.5 percent. Food-at-home prices are predicted to increase 5.2 percent,
    with a prediction interval of 4.4 to 6.1 percent. Food-away-from-home
    prices are predicted to increase 7.1 percent, with a prediction interval
    of 6.8 to 7.5 percent. Food prices are expected to continue to
    decelerate but not decline in 2024. In 2024, all food prices are
    predicted to increase 2.8 percent, with a prediction interval of -2.0 to
    7.9 percent. Food-at-home prices are predicted to increase 2.1 percent,
    with a prediction interval of -5.1 to 9.9 percent, and
    food-away-from-home prices are predicted to increase 5.1 percent, with a prediction interval of 2.7 to 7.5 percent."

    Not much mention of Bidenomics. Maybe they don't refer to current events.

    "In July 2023, prices for unprocessed agricultural commodities continued
    to decline from their peak in May 2022, and the Board of Governors of
    the Federal Reserve System voted unanimously to increase the Federal
    funds (interest) rate established in May 2023 by ¼ percentage point to
    5.5 percent. In another event impacting world food prices, Russia
    withdrew from the Black Sea Grain Initiative in July, an agreement that
    had allowed Ukraine to export grain and other agricultural exports from designated ports. These events will be closely monitored to assess their impacts on food prices.

    I stand corrected.

    "Retail egg prices have declined over 35 percent from their peak in
    January 2023 in the absence of a confirmed case of HPAI in commercial
    egg layers since December 2022. Egg prices are predicted to increase 1.0 percent in 2023, with a prediction interval of -3.6 to 6.4 percent. This
    wide prediction interval reflects the volatility in retail egg prices."

    HPAI = Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza

    No wonder he didn't comment beyond the clickbait subject. Pretty dull.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 15:07:39 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession, manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.
    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.
    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.

    you are fooling nobody. https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Thu Aug 31 19:29:27 2023
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession,
    manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.

    Arguable. There's nothing sacred about the 2% target, unless you're a
    price absolutist in which case I need to warn you grifters will try to
    sell you gold.

    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.

    Big decreases way better than increases.

    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.

    Also done, the low unemployment, job growth, etc. I left out wage growth:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/the-twitter-debate-about-bidens-wages-claim/

    “Leading economists like Jason Furman, Justin Wolfers, and Arin Dube
    have all noted that real average hourly earnings are higher now than
    they were in January or February of 2020, the baseline that is widely
    accepted as representing the pre-pandemic norm,” Kikukawa said.

    you are fooling nobody. https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he
    understood Shokin was "under control."

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 17:31:37 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession,
    manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.
    Arguable. There's nothing sacred about the 2% target, unless you're a
    price absolutist in which case I need to warn you grifters will try to
    sell you gold.
    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.
    Big decreases way better than increases.
    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.
    Also done, the low unemployment, job growth, etc. I left out wage growth:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/the-twitter-debate-about-bidens-wages-claim/

    “Leading economists like Jason Furman, Justin Wolfers, and Arin Dube
    have all noted that real average hourly earnings are higher now than
    they were in January or February of 2020, the baseline that is widely accepted as representing the pre-pandemic norm,” Kikukawa said.
    you are fooling nobody. https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/
    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he understood Shokin was "under control."

    “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner] Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host
    Tucker Carlson.

    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews on X and see who got it right.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 10:04:47 2023
    On 9/1/23 7:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he
    understood Shokin was "under control."

    “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner]
    Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And
    Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all
    of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

    That's the "slap on the wrist."

    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews on X and
    see who got it right.

    I prefer Devon's sworn testimony.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/viktor-shokin-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-biden-hunter-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    Another source said Shokin’s tenure as Ukraine’s general prosecutor was “no more, but no less corrupt” than what went before it...

    The approach of Shokin’s office to the Burisma investigations fell into
    a well-practiced pattern of corruption, the anonymous prosecutor says.
    By the time of Biden’s intervention, there were no active investigations
    to speak of.

    “If the idea was to get a result on the Burisma case, Shokin would have
    put his top people on it,” he says. “That didn’t happen. The aims were different.”

    Investigations into Burisma, which only ever covered the period from
    before Hunter Biden’s involvement in the company, were finally settled
    in 2016...

    “Neither Shokin nor Poroshenko wanted to investigate [Burisma owner Mykola​] Zlochevsky,” says Sakvarelidze. “They simply began a criminal case, arrested a few assets, and began negotiating with the
    corruptioneer for a bribe.”

    For activists, Shokin’s prosecutorship is remembered for its failure to secure convictions for crimes of the previous regime. These include the
    killing of more than 100 protesters during the Euromaidan revolution.

    “Shokin impeded those fighting for justice,” said Vitaly Tytych, a
    lawyer representing the families of the victims. “It is wrong to call
    what he did investigations. Because if there is one thing Shokin never
    did it is investigate.”

    End quote.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 11:04:35 2023
    On 9/1/23 7:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews

    This Tucker?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10272869/Hunter-Biden-Tucker-Carlson-close-friends-emails-show.html

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 09:35:03 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:04:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 7:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he
    understood Shokin was "under control."

    “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner]
    Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all
    of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
    That's the "slap on the wrist."
    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews on X and
    see who got it right.
    I prefer Devon's sworn testimony.

    It's the same with some clarifications. I know you prefer to not know what he meant over what you wish he meant.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/viktor-shokin-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-biden-hunter-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    Another source said Shokin’s tenure as Ukraine’s general prosecutor was “no more, but no less corrupt” than what went before it...

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was "shaking down" Zlochevsky.
    But that doesn't mean it is inconceivable that Zlochesky paid the Biden's to have him removed.

    The money trail and Hunter's ridiculous board position remain unexplained.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Sep 2 14:30:34 2023
    On 9/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:04:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 7:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he >>>> understood Shokin was "under control."

    “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner]
    Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties.
    And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin
    seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host
    Tucker Carlson.
    That's the "slap on the wrist."
    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews on X
    and see who got it right.
    I prefer Devon's sworn testimony.

    It's the same with some clarifications. I know you prefer to not
    know what he meant over what you wish he meant.

    That's how the shakedown works: prosecutor threatens to prosecute, takes
    bribe, doesn't prosecute. No one said Shokin was incapable of
    prosecuting. They said he didn't do it.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/viktor-shokin-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-biden-hunter-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    Another source said Shokin’s tenure as Ukraine’s general prosecutor was >> “no more, but no less corrupt” than what went before it...

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was "shaking down" Zlochevsky. But that doesn't mean it is inconceivable that Zlochesky
    paid the Biden's to have him removed.

    So he could continue to not be effectively prosecuted? What was the EU
    and IMF's stake?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/opinion/ukraines-unyielding-corruption.html

    Editorial: The Ukrainian Parliament finally voted to oust Ukraine’s
    odious prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, on Tuesday. The United States
    and European countries that have provided aid to Ukraine had long
    pressed for his dismissal; in his year in office, Mr. Shokin became a
    symbol of Ukraine’s deeply ingrained culture of corruption, failing to prosecute a single member of the deposed Yanukovych regime or of the
    current government while blocking the efforts of reform-minded deputies.
    Alas, nothing is likely to change unless President Petro Poroshenko and Parliament agree to install some real corruption fighters and approve
    serious judicial reform...

    Among the examples ... cited was the seizure in Britain of $23 million
    in illicit assets from the former Ukrainian ecology minister, Mykola Zlochevsky; Mr. Shokin’s office, however, declared that there was no
    case against the minister, and the money was released.

    End quote.

    That's Shokin in action shielding Zlochevsky and Burisma.

    The money trail and Hunter's ridiculous board position remain
    unexplained.

    Devon explained it adequately in his sworn testimony. It's commonplace
    to put people with the aura of connections on boards. One-time Burisma
    board members include a Bush CIA figure and the former president of Poland.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 16:24:21 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:04:50 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/1/23 7:31 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he >>>> understood Shokin was "under control."

    “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner]
    Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties.
    And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin
    seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host
    Tucker Carlson.
    That's the "slap on the wrist."
    I guess you'll have to listen to the Tucker/Devon interviews on X
    and see who got it right.
    I prefer Devon's sworn testimony.

    It's the same with some clarifications. I know you prefer to not
    know what he meant over what you wish he meant.
    That's how the shakedown works: prosecutor threatens to prosecute, takes bribe, doesn't prosecute. No one said Shokin was incapable of
    prosecuting. They said he didn't do it.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/viktor-shokin-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-biden-hunter-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    Another source said Shokin’s tenure as Ukraine’s general prosecutor was
    “no more, but no less corrupt” than what went before it...

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was "shaking down" Zlochevsky. But that doesn't mean it is inconceivable that Zlochesky
    paid the Biden's to have him removed.
    So he could continue to not be effectively prosecuted?

    or stolen from....depending on your POV.

    What was the EU
    and IMF's stake?

    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden franchise.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 21:08:24 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:29:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession,
    manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.
    Arguable. There's nothing sacred about the 2% target, unless you're a
    price absolutist in which case I need to warn you grifters will try to
    sell you gold.
    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.
    Big decreases way better than increases.
    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.
    Also done, the low unemployment, job growth, etc. I left out wage growth:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/the-twitter-debate-about-bidens-wages-claim/

    “Leading economists like Jason Furman, Justin Wolfers, and Arin Dube
    have all noted that real average hourly earnings are higher now than
    they were in January or February of 2020, the baseline that is widely accepted as representing the pre-pandemic norm,” Kikukawa said.
    you are fooling nobody. https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/
    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he understood Shokin was "under control."

    wrong facts

    you're bogus argument about decreasing TATE of inflation is like admitting that you have
    reduced your wife beatings from five days a week to three days a week.
    Your wife should be very thankful.

    The bottom line on Shorkin is that Biden was paid to get him fired and he did. Adn by using the extortion of witholding many millions of taxpayer funded aid,

    And the big bottom line is that the Bidens got $27 million in
    bank transfers over the life of their illegal and corrupt schemes.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Sep 3 12:45:10 2023
    On 9/2/23 11:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:29:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession, >>>> manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.
    Arguable. There's nothing sacred about the 2% target, unless you're a
    price absolutist in which case I need to warn you grifters will try to
    sell you gold.
    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.
    Big decreases way better than increases.
    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.
    Also done, the low unemployment, job growth, etc. I left out wage growth:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/the-twitter-debate-about-bidens-wages-claim/

    “Leading economists like Jason Furman, Justin Wolfers, and Arin Dube
    have all noted that real average hourly earnings are higher now than
    they were in January or February of 2020, the baseline that is widely
    accepted as representing the pre-pandemic norm,” Kikukawa said.
    you are fooling nobody.
    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/
    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he
    understood Shokin was "under control."

    wrong facts

    I cited sworn testimony.

    you're bogus argument about decreasing TATE of inflation is like admitting that you have
    reduced your wife beatings from five days a week to three days a week.
    Your wife should be very thankful.

    Inflation is 2.4%. It was more a year ago. Thanks, Joe! BTW, some
    inflation is part of a growing economy and the lack is stagnation.

    The bottom line on Shorkin is that Biden was paid to get him fired and he did.
    Adn by using the extortion of witholding many millions of taxpayer funded aid,

    Now you're mixed up. That "payment" has not been proven.

    And the big bottom line is that the Bidens got $27 million in
    bank transfers over the life of their illegal and corrupt schemes.

    Throwing the net kinda wide there. So many Bidens, so many kinds of
    payments.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 12:51:17 2023
    On 9/2/23 6:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was "shaking
    down" Zlochevsky. But that doesn't mean it is inconceivable that
    Zlochesky paid the Biden's to have him removed.
    So he could continue to not be effectively prosecuted?

    or stolen from....depending on your POV.

    Shokin was bought and paid for, thus not a threat to Zlochevsky.

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?

    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.

    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 10:53:21 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:45:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:08 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:29:30 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/31/23 5:07 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:52:16 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html

    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession, >>>> manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Decreased inflation is still inflation, and it is still too high.
    Arguable. There's nothing sacred about the 2% target, unless you're a
    price absolutist in which case I need to warn you grifters will try to
    sell you gold.
    And the decrease was from earlier Biden increases.
    Big decreases way better than increases.
    The damage was done, it has not been mitigated and it is all Bidenomics that cause this.
    Also done, the low unemployment, job growth, etc. I left out wage growth: >>
    https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/the-twitter-debate-about-bidens-wages-claim/

    “Leading economists like Jason Furman, Justin Wolfers, and Arin Dube
    have all noted that real average hourly earnings are higher now than
    they were in January or February of 2020, the baseline that is widely
    accepted as representing the pre-pandemic norm,” Kikukawa said.
    you are fooling nobody.
    https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/
    Wrong thread. You'll find the NY Post got it wrong. Archer said he
    understood Shokin was "under control."

    wrong facts
    I cited sworn testimony.
    you're bogus argument about decreasing TATE of inflation is like admitting that you have
    reduced your wife beatings from five days a week to three days a week. Your wife should be very thankful.
    Inflation is 2.4%.

    The annual inflation rate for the United States was 3.2% for the 12 months ended July, according to U.S. Labor Department data published on Aug. 10, 2023. This follows a rise of 3.0% in the previous period.

    Can you get anything right?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 13:47:57 2023
    On 9/3/23 12:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:45:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

    Inflation is 2.4%.

    The annual inflation rate for the United States was 3.2% for the 12
    months ended July, according to U.S. Labor Department data published
    on Aug. 10, 2023. This follows a rise of 3.0% in the previous
    period.

    Can you get anything right?

    https://www.dallasfed.org/research/pce/2023/pce2307#

    August 31, 2023

    "The Dallas Fed’s Trimmed Mean PCE inflation rate was an annualized 2.4 percent in July, compared with 2.6 percent in June."

    Thanks, Joe!

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 14:47:07 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 6:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was "shaking
    down" Zlochevsky. But that doesn't mean it is inconceivable that
    Zlochesky paid the Biden's to have him removed.
    So he could continue to not be effectively prosecuted?

    or stolen from....depending on your POV.
    Shokin was bought and paid for, thus not a threat to Zlochevsky.

    Did you miss the part where his personal assets were seized by Shokin?
    GMAFB.
    What was the EU and IMF's stake?

    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...following in Joe's footsteps as they milked the US defense budget to support NATO is one plausible explanation.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 3 19:51:19 2023
    On 9/3/23 4:47 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/2/23 6:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-7, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 9/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Sure....it is possible that Shokin was corrupt and was
    "shaking down" Zlochevsky. But that doesn't mean it is
    inconceivable that Zlochesky paid the Biden's to have him
    removed.
    So he could continue to not be effectively prosecuted?

    or stolen from....depending on your POV.
    Shokin was bought and paid for, thus not a threat to Zlochevsky.

    Did you miss the part where his personal assets were seized by
    Shokin? GMAFB.

    A slap on the wrist.

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?

    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...

    They do. Something to do with corruption and unwillingness to prosecute
    crime figures like Zlochevsky.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 11:14:08 2023
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?

    Scott:

    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...

    They do. Something to do with corruption and unwillingness to prosecute
    crime figures like Zlochevsky.

    Also knows, the Financial Times:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

    European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former
    US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people
    involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the
    contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar
    with the matter said...

    EU diplomats working on Ukraine at the time have, however, told the FT
    that they were looking for ways to persuade Kiev to remove Mr Shokin
    well before Mr Biden entered the picture. The push for Mr Shokin’s
    removal was part of an international effort to bolster Ukraine’s
    institutions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the armed
    conflict in the eastern part of the country.

    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro]
    Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an
    EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came
    in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is.
    But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    End quote.

    Well, that's something. But it's not like Trump and his people weren't
    acting to shape the narrative:

    Ukrainian officials have said its anti-corruption authority had been investigating Burisma for the company’s actions between 2010 and 2012,
    which predated Hunter Biden’s arrival on the board in 2014.

    They say he was never accused of any wrongdoing and the inquiry was
    dormant at the time Mr Shokin was removed in 2016...

    “Is there a problem in my view that while Biden was Mr Ukraine his son
    was anywhere near it and getting paid for it? Yes, that’s a problem,”
    the EU diplomat said. “But [they allege] that he tried to push out
    Shokin [because of that]. That’s a complete fabrication and has been
    debunked several times — but Giuliani keeps repeating it.”

    End quote.

    That repetition is quite the tool.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 21:03:01 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?
    Scott:
    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...

    They do. Something to do with corruption and unwillingness to prosecute crime figures like Zlochevsky.
    Also knows, the Financial Times:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

    European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the
    contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar
    with the matter said...

    EU diplomats working on Ukraine at the time have, however, told the FT
    that they were looking for ways to persuade Kiev to remove Mr Shokin
    well before Mr Biden entered the picture. The push for Mr Shokin’s
    removal was part of an international effort to bolster Ukraine’s institutions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the armed conflict in the eastern part of the country.

    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro] Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came
    in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is.
    But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    What's wrong with this piece?
    Let me see.....
    Unnamed European and US Officials
    Unnamed EU diplomats working on Ukraine
    All of us said an Unnamed EU diplomat

    Why is it that not one person will stand up and go on record for the FT?
    The statements seem harmless enough yet not one name for the record.

    Yet you spew it as gospel. I reject it as rubbish.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Sep 5 07:38:21 2023
    On 9/4/23 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?
    Scott:
    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...

    They do. Something to do with corruption and unwillingness to prosecute
    crime figures like Zlochevsky.
    Also knows, the Financial Times:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro]
    Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not
    following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an >> EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came
    in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is.
    But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    What's wrong with this piece?
    Let me see.....
    Unnamed European and US Officials
    Unnamed EU diplomats working on Ukraine
    All of us said an Unnamed EU diplomat

    Why is it that not one person will stand up and go on record for the FT?
    The statements seem harmless enough yet not one name for the record.

    Yet you spew it as gospel. I reject it as rubbish.

    It's not an outlier or a "scoop" but rather a backgrounder confirming
    the facts. But, here's a name, Jan Tombinski, the European Union’s
    ambassador to Ukraine.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

    Ukraine's parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding
    the beleaguered prosecutor's office of a figure who is accused of
    blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying
    moves to root out graft.

    "This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the
    prosecutor general's office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will
    ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political
    influence and pressure and enjoys public trust," said Jan Tombinski, the
    EU's envoy to Ukraine...

    Mr Tombinski said the EU was also concerned about the resignation or
    dismissal of several “reform-oriented” prosecutors and reports that Mr Shokin’s office was investigating a “highly-respected” anti-corruption group – an obvious reference to Kiev’s Anti-Corruption Action Centre,
    which had fiercely criticised Mr Shokin.

    End quote.

    Anders Aslund:

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/shokin-s-revenge-ukraine-s-odious-prosecutor-general-fires-honest-deputy-before-parliament-sacks-him/

    The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so
    long. President Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in
    February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage
    even to Ukraine’s substandard legal system. Most strikingly, Shokin
    failed to prosecute any single prominent member of the Yanukovych
    regime. Nor did he prosecute anyone in the current government.

    Shokin skillfully blocked reform. He was in charge of implementing the
    2014 law on prosecution, which the European Union had insisted on for
    years. It aimed to reduce the role of the prosecutors, who were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in
    post-Soviet Ukraine. The law also involved a reevaluation of all
    prosecutors with the intention of weeding out corrupt and incompetent prosecutors. Shokin manipulated the process so successfully that the old prosecutors prevailed and minimal renewal occurred...

    To an outsider, it seems strange that Shokin was allowed to do so much
    damage for so long, but he has clearly enjoyed Poroshenko’s full
    confidence and is even godfather to one of Poroshenko’s children.

    End quote

    From before Biden's visit:

    https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/reform-watch/transparency-international-says-shokin-to-blame-for-failed-anti-corruption-efforts-401218.html

    “Transparency International Ukraine believes that Prosecutor General
    Shokin is personally responsible for the failure of the fight against high-ranking officials’ corruption,” Transparency International said.

    The watchdog said that Ukraine’s leadership “is trying to establish
    control over key anti-corruption bodies in order to make them work in
    their own interests.”

    “Thus officials deprive Ukraine of a future without corruption and
    citizens of the opportunity to travel to Europe visa-free,” the
    organization said, referring to Shokin’s failure to comply with E.U. requirements for introducing a visa-free regime. “With the obvious
    approval of the country’s leadership, Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin
    is trying to make the newly-created anti-corruption prosecutor’s office
    as dependent as possible.”

    Transparency International also said that “Shokin’s attempts to create a rubber-stamp anti-corruption body prove that he doesn’t want to carry
    out any reforms either at the prosecutor’s office or in anti-corruption efforts.”

    ...Critics see the arrests of Korban and Mosiychuk – both opponents of President Petro Poroshenko – as examples of politically motivated
    selective justice. Currently, no high-ranking ex-allies of disgraced
    former President Viktor Yanukovych or allies of Poroshenko and Prime
    Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk are behind bars, despite increasing evidence
    of wrongdoing.

    When asked why only Poroshenko’s opponents were under arrest, Shokin
    urged the Kyiv Post to present evidence of other politicians’ crimes to him.

    End quote.

    Donald Bowser:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2015/12/9/ukraine-new-government-same-corruption

    Donald Bowser, an adviser to Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau,
    said that “easily over a dozen billion US dollars a year” continue to be stolen from the Ukrainian state through corruption.

    He said much of the corruption stems from the prosecutor general’s
    office. “It is the biggest organised crime game in town … just
    stone-cold gangsters,” alleged Bowser.

    The prosecutor general himself, Viktor Shokin – who was recently
    targeted in an assassination attempt – serves at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko. Shokin and the prosecutor general’s office “give a
    legal facade to the corruption schemes”, Bowser claimed.

    Since he was appointed as prosecutor general by Poroshenko in February,
    Shokin has not brought any cases of corruption to court involving
    Yanukovich or his partners. Nor has he prosecuted the hundreds of
    high-level corruption cases that have been brought to his office by
    Ukraine’s parliamentary committee on preventing and combating corruption.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 5 09:20:41 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 5:38:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/4/23 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    What was the EU and IMF's stake?
    Scott:
    No stake....they weren't available for purchase like the Biden
    franchise.
    Then why were they calling for Shokin's ouster?

    Who knows...

    They do. Something to do with corruption and unwillingness to prosecute >>> crime figures like Zlochevsky.
    Also knows, the Financial Times:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro]
    Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not >> following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an
    EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came >> in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is.
    But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    What's wrong with this piece?
    Let me see.....
    Unnamed European and US Officials
    Unnamed EU diplomats working on Ukraine
    All of us said an Unnamed EU diplomat

    Why is it that not one person will stand up and go on record for the FT? The statements seem harmless enough yet not one name for the record.

    Yet you spew it as gospel. I reject it as rubbish.
    It's not an outlier or a "scoop" but rather a backgrounder confirming
    the facts.

    Like the fact that Joe used his position to benefit his son.

    The money trail is still a fact.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Sep 5 13:16:02 2023
    On 9/5/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 5:38:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/4/23 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro]
    Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not >>>> following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an >>>> EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came >>>> in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is. >>>> But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    What's wrong with this piece?
    Let me see.....
    Unnamed European and US Officials
    Unnamed EU diplomats working on Ukraine
    All of us said an Unnamed EU diplomat

    Why is it that not one person will stand up and go on record for the FT? >>> The statements seem harmless enough yet not one name for the record.

    Yet you spew it as gospel. I reject it as rubbish.
    It's not an outlier or a "scoop" but rather a backgrounder confirming
    the facts.

    Like the fact that Joe used his position to benefit his son.

    No, his son used Joe's position to benefit himself. And you snipped the
    fact that there were no active investigations of Burisma while Hunter
    was there.

    The money trail is still a fact.

    No, it is not. But what is a fact is that Shokin was considered a
    hindrance to efforts to prosecute corruption well before Biden made his
    visit.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ambassador-upbraids-ukraine-over-corruption-efforts/27271294.html

    “Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out corruption, corrupt actors within the Prosecutor-General’s Office are
    making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” [US ambassador Geoffrey] Pyatt said in the September 24 speech...

    He called for an investigation of officials within the
    Prosecutor-General’s Office who he says stymied efforts to pursue tens
    of millions of dollars in “illicit assets” that former Ukrainian
    official Mykola Zlochevskiy held in Britain.

    End quote.

    That's right: he called for investigating Hunter's boss.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/25/money-still-rules-ukraine-poroshenko-corruption/

    [Poroshenko] is under intense pressure from Washington, Brussels,
    international financial institutions and of course Ukrainian citizens to deliver on his promises of reform and reducing corruption. Yet changing
    the name of Ukraine’s main law enforcement body from “militia” to “police” does not, in itself, entail a dramatic transformation of the bloated, corrupt, and incompetent Ministry of Interior. Similarly, all
    the positive headlines can’t conceal the fact that the president’s
    campaign against corruption is stalling...

    The grim reality is that the real rot within the Ukrainian state has
    always begun at the top, from a corrupt and cynical nexus of
    high-ranking politicians and business magnates — and it is precisely
    here that Poroshenko’s efforts are failing to gain traction. Ukraine’s reforms are not threatened by the kind of petty bribery common to many countries, but by high-level corruption on a scale so great that only
    three out of 15 countries in the former USSR have worse records,
    according to the anti-corruption watchdog Transparency International.

    Any effort to declaw Ukraine’s oligarchs has to start with the country’s notoriously corrupt energy sector, which has sucked billions from the
    budget. Perhaps the most visible of the country’s energy tycoons is
    Dmytro Firtash...

    End quote.

    Giuliani's buddy.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 23:07:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:16:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/5/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 5:38:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/4/23 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/3/23 7:51 PM, mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc
    “All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro] >>>> Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not
    following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,” said an
    EU diplomat involved in the discussions. “It was Biden who finally came
    in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is. >>>> But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.”

    What's wrong with this piece?
    Let me see.....
    Unnamed European and US Officials
    Unnamed EU diplomats working on Ukraine
    All of us said an Unnamed EU diplomat

    Why is it that not one person will stand up and go on record for the FT? >>> The statements seem harmless enough yet not one name for the record.

    Yet you spew it as gospel. I reject it as rubbish.
    It's not an outlier or a "scoop" but rather a backgrounder confirming
    the facts.

    Like the fact that Joe used his position to benefit his son.
    No, his son used Joe's position to benefit himself. And you snipped the
    fact that there were no active investigations of Burisma while Hunter
    was there.
    The money trail is still a fact.
    No, it is not. But what is a fact is that Shokin was considered a
    hindrance to efforts to prosecute corruption well before Biden made his visit.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ambassador-upbraids-ukraine-over-corruption-efforts/27271294.html

    “Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out corruption, corrupt actors within the Prosecutor-General’s Office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” [US ambassador Geoffrey] Pyatt said in the September 24 speech...

    He called for an investigation of officials within the Prosecutor-General’s Office who he says stymied efforts to pursue tens
    of millions of dollars in “illicit assets” that former Ukrainian official Mykola Zlochevskiy held in Britain.

    End quote.

    That's right: he called for investigating Hunter's boss.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/25/money-still-rules-ukraine-poroshenko-corruption/

    [Poroshenko] is under intense pressure from Washington, Brussels, international financial institutions and of course Ukrainian citizens to deliver on his promises of reform and reducing corruption. Yet changing
    the name of Ukraine’s main law enforcement body from “militia” to “police” does not, in itself, entail a dramatic transformation of the bloated, corrupt, and incompetent Ministry of Interior. Similarly, all
    the positive headlines can’t conceal the fact that the president’s campaign against corruption is stalling...

    The grim reality is that the real rot within the Ukrainian state has
    always begun at the top, from a corrupt and cynical nexus of
    high-ranking politicians and business magnates — and it is precisely
    here that Poroshenko’s efforts are failing to gain traction. Ukraine’s reforms are not threatened by the kind of petty bribery common to many countries, but by high-level corruption on a scale so great that only
    three out of 15 countries in the former USSR have worse records,
    according to the anti-corruption watchdog Transparency International.

    Any effort to declaw Ukraine’s oligarchs has to start with the country’s notoriously corrupt energy sector, which has sucked billions from the budget. Perhaps the most visible of the country’s energy tycoons is
    Dmytro Firtash...

    End quote.

    Giuliani's buddy.

    hr money trail is indeed a fact. ANd a damning one.
    ANd it cannot be explained to be anything other
    than a bribe or influence peddling.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Fri Sep 8 09:58:16 2023
    On 9/8/23 1:07 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:16:07 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/5/23 11:20 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 5:38:25 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 9/4/23 11:03 PM, ScottW wrote:

    The money trail is still a fact.
    No, it is not. But what is a fact is that Shokin was considered a
    hindrance to efforts to prosecute corruption well before Biden made his
    visit.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ambassador-upbraids-ukraine-over-corruption-efforts/27271294.html

    “Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out
    corruption, corrupt actors within the Prosecutor-General’s Office are
    making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” [US
    ambassador Geoffrey] Pyatt said in the September 24 speech...

    He called for an investigation of officials within the
    Prosecutor-General’s Office who he says stymied efforts to pursue tens
    of millions of dollars in “illicit assets” that former Ukrainian
    official Mykola Zlochevskiy held in Britain.

    End quote.

    That's right: he called for investigating Hunter's boss.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/25/money-still-rules-ukraine-poroshenko-corruption/

    Any effort to declaw Ukraine’s oligarchs has to start with the country’s >> notoriously corrupt energy sector, which has sucked billions from the
    budget. Perhaps the most visible of the country’s energy tycoons is
    Dmytro Firtash...

    End quote.

    Giuliani's buddy.

    hr money trail is indeed a fact. ANd a damning one.
    ANd it cannot be explained to be anything other
    than a bribe or influence peddling.

    Nice you just zoom on past all that contrary evidence.

    There is no Zlochevskiy to Joe Biden money trail. By "hr," do you mean Baturina? We've been over that. The "money trail" goes to an LLC not
    connected to Hunter who is not Joe.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 21:37:04 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:24:31 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 8/30/23 1:02 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_82f0b5c6-4693-11ee-8bc3-fb25e57c3c91.html
    Job creation, low unemployment, decreased inflation without recession,
    manufacturing boom: thanks, Joe!

    Did duh-Scottie cite yet another source that undermines their own point instead of supporting it?
    This behavior must be a cry for help from poor Witlessmongrel.
    Dunno. I normally don't chase his blind links. Let's look...

    He's blaming Biden for food prices rising. They are but more slowly than they did last year. His source cites the USDA. The USDA:

    "Food prices are expected to grow more slowly in 2023 than in 2022 but
    still at above historical-average rates. In 2023, all food prices are predicted to increase 5.9 percent, with a prediction interval of 5.3 to
    6.5 percent. Food-at-home prices are predicted to increase 5.2 percent,
    with a prediction interval of 4.4 to 6.1 percent. Food-away-from-home
    prices are predicted to increase 7.1 percent, with a prediction interval
    of 6.8 to 7.5 percent. Food prices are expected to continue to
    decelerate but not decline in 2024. In 2024, all food prices are
    predicted to increase 2.8 percent, with a prediction interval of -2.0 to
    7.9 percent. Food-at-home prices are predicted to increase 2.1 percent,
    with a prediction interval of -5.1 to 9.9 percent, and
    food-away-from-home prices are predicted to increase 5.1 percent, with a prediction interval of 2.7 to 7.5 percent."

    Not much mention of Bidenomics. Maybe they don't refer to current events.

    "In July 2023, prices for unprocessed agricultural commodities continued
    to decline from their peak in May 2022, and the Board of Governors of
    the Federal Reserve System voted unanimously to increase the Federal
    funds (interest) rate established in May 2023 by ¼ percentage point to
    5.5 percent. In another event impacting world food prices, Russia
    withdrew from the Black Sea Grain Initiative in July, an agreement that
    had allowed Ukraine to export grain and other agricultural exports from designated ports. These events will be closely monitored to assess their impacts on food prices.

    I stand corrected.

    "Retail egg prices have declined over 35 percent from their peak in
    January 2023 in the absence of a confirmed case of HPAI in commercial
    egg layers since December 2022. Egg prices are predicted to increase 1.0 percent in 2023, with a prediction interval of -3.6 to 6.4 percent. This wide prediction interval reflects the volatility in retail egg prices."

    HPAI = Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza

    No wonder he didn't comment beyond the clickbait subject. Pretty dull.

    Egg price are the exception. Other factors influenced that,
    Now wipe all that egg off your face.
    BTW, the cost of paper towels has gone way up.
    And has not come down.

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