I think it's complete BS and they should be strung up by congress and ratted out as 1st amendment violators.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2023/09/12/danger-conservative-media-is-starting-to-self-censor-n1726218

Beware the algorithms controlling what you can read.

And no...I'm not gonna subscribe.

ScottW

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On 9/12/23 11:52 PM, ScottW wrote:

I think it's complete BS and they should be strung up by congress and
ratted out as 1st amendment violators.

Is google now part of the government?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2023/09/12/danger-conservative-media-is-starting-to-self-censor-n1726218

Beware the algorithms controlling what you can read.

Okay. Did google make it so only the first three pages of search results
are redundant right wing sites instead of the first five?

And no...I'm not gonna subscribe.

To what?

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On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:06:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/12/23 11:52 PM, ScottW wrote:

I think it's complete BS and they should be strung up by congress and ratted out as 1st amendment violators.

Is google now part of the government?

Since when does the 1st amendment only apply to gov't?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2023/09/12/danger-conservative-media-is-starting-to-self-censor-n1726218

Beware the algorithms controlling what you can read.

Okay. Did google make it so only the first three pages of search results
are redundant right wing sites instead of the first five?

Nope....and it's their dominant on-line advertising control that is the problem.
Did you read the link? Obviously not.

Here....you get one spoonful of medicine.

"A good chunk of our editors’ meetings at PJ Media (and all across the Townhall Media network) is now devoted to the latest reports we have on which of our articles were demonetized by Google. If one of our writers wants to report on climate change,
COVID, transgenderism, or election integrity — or even use those terms in an article — it can get snared in Google’s predatory algorithms, which flag our reporting as “unreliable and harmful” or even “dangerous or derogatory.” We are then
punished for daring to report on those topics by having our articles stripped of ads."

ScottW

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On 9/13/23 9:50 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:06:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/12/23 11:52 PM, ScottW wrote:

I think it's complete BS and they should be strung up by congress
and ratted out as 1st amendment violators.

Is google now part of the government?

Since when does the 1st amendment only apply to gov't?

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Did google make a law?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2023/09/12/danger-conservative-media-is-starting-to-self-censor-n1726218

Beware the algorithms controlling what you can read.

Okay. Did google make it so only the first three pages of search
results are redundant right wing sites instead of the first five?

Nope....and it's their dominant on-line advertising control that is
the problem. Did you read the link? Obviously not.

I generally don't follow blind links.

Here....you get one spoonful of medicine.

"A good chunk of our editors’ meetings at PJ Media (and all across
the Townhall Media network) is now devoted to the latest reports we
have on which of our articles were demonetized by Google. If one of
our writers wants to report on climate change, COVID, transgenderism,
or election integrity — or even use those terms in an article — it
can get snared in Google’s predatory algorithms, which flag our
reporting as “unreliable and harmful” or even “dangerous or derogatory.” We are then punished for daring to report on those
topics by having our articles stripped of ads."

The complaint is google no longer favors their speech by paying for it?
Some free marketers there at pjmedia!

If your cites are representative, those descriptions do apply.

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On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:28:11 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/13/23 9:50 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:06:59 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/12/23 11:52 PM, ScottW wrote:

I think it's complete BS and they should be strung up by congress
and ratted out as 1st amendment violators.

Is google now part of the government?

Since when does the 1st amendment only apply to gov't?

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

You're right. Time for a revision to the amendment.
Protecting the right of someone to stand in town square and say pretty much whatever they want
is no longer sufficient protection and free from gov't is no longer sufficient. We need to extend the first amendment to protection
against on-line advertisers and ISPs and hosts.
The problem with google is they don't just restrict advertisers who don't want to be associated with whatever.....they eliminate
all advertising on that page if they don't like it. That needs to stop.

It's even worse. In looking at how a website could get around google as a gatekeeper I see this.

The simplest way is to use your server-side scripting language to randomly display either ad network one or ad network 2.

"However, it's important to check the Terms of Use for each ad provider to see if the ad networks are compatible. Google, in particular, is a little feisty about what kind of ads they want used in conjunction with AdSense."

So google not only punishes a site for their content but for also engaging a competitor ad network.

Google should have no say on what you do in your space...period. If product advertisers don't want their ads to appear on your site...fine, Google can control that.
But if the advertiser doesn't object...then google should not have that authority.


ScottW

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Witless calls for Big Brother to "protect" them from ... something.

Since when does the 1st amendment only apply to gov't?

Never let it be said that there are no stupid questions.

"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law

duh.

You're right. Time for a revision to the amendment.

No, stupid. The Constitution DEFINES the powers of government, and
nothing else. You should eat less rocks.

Protecting the right of someone to stand in town square and say pretty much whatever they want
is no longer sufficient protection and free from gov't is no longer sufficient. We need to extend the first amendment to protection
against on-line advertisers and ISPs and hosts.

Yes, let's have the government you hate crack down on free speech. Great idea, moron.

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On 9/13/23 10:59 AM, ScottW wrote:

Google should have no say on what you do in your space...period. If
product advertisers don't want their ads to appear on your
site...fine, Google can control that. But if the advertiser doesn't object...then google should not have that authority.

google can pay whatever they want for whatever reason. Not paying
pjmedia what they feel entitled to is probably down on the list of
google's problems.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/28/google-reportedly-violates-its-standards-in-third-party-ad-deals/

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/12/1198558372/doj-google-monopoly-antitrust-trial-search-engine

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/7/23823878/google-privacy-tracking-incognito-mode-lawsuit-summary-judgment-denied

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On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/13/23 10:59 AM, ScottW wrote:

Google should have no say on what you do in your space...period. If product advertisers don't want their ads to appear on your
site...fine, Google can control that. But if the advertiser doesn't object...then google should not have that authority.

google can pay whatever they want for whatever reason. Not paying
pjmedia what they feel entitled to is probably down on the list of
google's problems.

Do you even know what "demonetize" means?

ScottW

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On 9/14/23 10:35 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 9/13/23 10:59 AM, ScottW wrote:

Google should have no say on what you do in your space...period. If
product advertisers don't want their ads to appear on your
site...fine, Google can control that. But if the advertiser doesn't
object...then google should not have that authority.

google can pay whatever they want for whatever reason. Not paying
pjmedia what they feel entitled to is probably down on the list of
google's problems.

Do you even know what "demonetize" means?

They used to pay, now they don't. Sounds like an MBA thing.

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