• Chuckie, Do your job!

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 10:54:18 2023
  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Oct 5 15:45:10 2023
    On 10/5/23 12:54 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2023/10/sen-rick-scott-leads-colleagues-in-demanding-schumer-s-plan-to-fund-government-avoid-omnibus

    As you know, an omnibus is the only practical filibuster-proof way to
    get stuff passed. If Scott wants alternatives, the filibuster has to go.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 19:45:05 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:13 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/5/23 12:54 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2023/10/sen-rick-scott-leads-colleagues-in-demanding-schumer-s-plan-to-fund-government-avoid-omnibus

    As you know, an omnibus is the only practical filibuster-proof way to
    get stuff passed. If Scott wants alternatives, the filibuster has to go.

    "Under the Congressional Budget Act, the House and Senate are supposed to adopt a budget resolution each year to establish an overall budget plan and set guidelines for action on spending and revenue. The Senate may not filibuster consideration of
    budget resolutions."

    and when the house and senate need to come together.

    https://democrats-budget.house.gov/resources/fact-sheets/budget-reconciliation-basics#:~:text=Instead%20of%20needing%2060%20votes,not%20need%20the%20President%27s%20signature.

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Oct 6 09:41:07 2023
    On 10/5/23 9:45 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:13 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/5/23 12:54 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/2023/10/sen-rick-scott-leads-colleagues-in-demanding-schumer-s-plan-to-fund-government-avoid-omnibus

    As you know, an omnibus is the only practical filibuster-proof way to
    get stuff passed. If Scott wants alternatives, the filibuster has
    to go.

    "Under the Congressional Budget Act, the House and Senate are
    supposed to adopt a budget resolution each year to establish an
    overall budget plan and set guidelines for action on spending and
    revenue. The Senate may not filibuster consideration of budget
    resolutions."

    Yes, this folds all those other spending bills into a filibuster-proof
    budget process.

    and when the house and senate need to come together.

    https://democrats-budget.house.gov/resources/fact-sheets/budget-reconciliation-basics#:~:text=Instead%20of%20needing%2060%20votes,not%20need%20the%20President%27s%20signature.

    That's quite the search term there.

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 6 08:22:10 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster?
    The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Fri Oct 6 12:59:01 2023
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster?
    The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.

    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 19:52:48 2023
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster? The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.
    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Oct 9 10:25:45 2023
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster?
    The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.
    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.

    It would be great if the police made the change to supporting civil
    rights the Democrats did.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 08:59:25 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    It would be great if the police made the change to supporting civil
    rights the Democrats did.

    Is anyone counting how many times Sackplop has dragged out the carcass
    of pre-1940s political party alignment? I'm sure it's north of ten times.
    It's almost as if when they were a child, some grownup scolded, "You'll
    never amount to anything, you lazy turd!" And from that moment, they
    determined to prove that bully right by never learning anything ever again.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Mon Oct 9 14:27:12 2023
    On 10/9/23 10:59 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    It would be great if the police made the change to supporting civil
    rights the Democrats did.

    Is anyone counting how many times Sackplop has dragged out the carcass
    of pre-1940s political party alignment? I'm sure it's north of ten times. It's almost as if when they were a child, some grownup scolded, "You'll
    never amount to anything, you lazy turd!" And from that moment, they determined to prove that bully right by never learning anything ever again.

    They're no longer the party of the Klan. It's nice he brought up police
    racism when no one was talking about it but he does tend to blame me for
    things he sees elsewhere.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 13:44:00 2023
    mINE109 wrote:
    Is anyone counting how many times Sackplop has dragged out the carcass
    of pre-1940s political party alignment? I'm sure it's north of ten times. It's almost as if when they were a child, some grownup scolded, "You'll never amount to anything, you lazy turd!" And from that moment, they determined to prove that bully right by never learning anything ever again.
    They're no longer the party of the Klan. It's nice he brought up police racism when no one was talking about it but he does tend to blame me for things he sees elsewhere.

    I think you make them feel very insecure.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Tue Oct 10 06:37:29 2023
    On 10/9/23 3:44 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:
    Is anyone counting how many times Sackplop has dragged out the carcass
    of pre-1940s political party alignment? I'm sure it's north of ten times. >>> It's almost as if when they were a child, some grownup scolded, "You'll
    never amount to anything, you lazy turd!" And from that moment, they
    determined to prove that bully right by never learning anything ever again. >> They're no longer the party of the Klan. It's nice he brought up police
    racism when no one was talking about it but he does tend to blame me for
    things he sees elsewhere.

    I think you make them feel very insecure.

    Cue "Are we the baddies?" clip.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Oct 11 10:51:49 2023
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster?
    The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.
    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.

    Further rebuttal courtesy of a recent obituary:

    https://static01.nyt.com/packages/html/books/phillips-emerging.pdf

    Review of 'The Emerging Republican Majority' by Kevin Phillips (Sept 21,
    1969)

    "Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillip's
    political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic party,
    particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican
    party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute
    the emerging majority."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator)

    "Kevin Price Phillips (November 30, 1940 – October 9, 2023) was an
    American writer and commentator on politics, economics, and history. He
    emerged as a Republican Party strategist who helped devise its Southern Strategy in the 1960s."

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Oct 11 12:31:23 2023
    On 10/11/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:51:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster? >>>>> The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress >>>>> of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.
    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    Further rebuttal courtesy of a recent obituary:

    https://static01.nyt.com/packages/html/books/phillips-emerging.pdf

    Review of 'The Emerging Republican Majority' by Kevin Phillips (Sept 21,
    1969)

    "Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillip's
    political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic party,
    particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican
    party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute
    the emerging majority."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator)

    "Kevin Price Phillips (November 30, 1940 – October 9, 2023) was an
    American writer and commentator on politics, economics, and history. He
    emerged as a Republican Party strategist who helped devise its Southern
    Strategy in the 1960s."

    Stephen still clinging to and longing for the 60's.

    Art was clinging to the 40s.

    Meanwhile babies are beheaded and he is strangely silent on that.

    Worst whatabout I've seen for quite some time.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 10:21:51 2023
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:51:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a
    majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster? >>> The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress
    of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry.
    Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from
    before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    Further rebuttal courtesy of a recent obituary:

    https://static01.nyt.com/packages/html/books/phillips-emerging.pdf

    Review of 'The Emerging Republican Majority' by Kevin Phillips (Sept 21, 1969)

    "Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillip's
    political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic party, particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican
    party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute
    the emerging majority."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator)

    "Kevin Price Phillips (November 30, 1940 – October 9, 2023) was an American writer and commentator on politics, economics, and history. He emerged as a Republican Party strategist who helped devise its Southern Strategy in the 1960s."

    Stephen still clinging to and longing for the 60's. Meanwhile babies are beheaded and he is
    strangely silent on that.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 10:44:45 2023
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:31:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/11/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:51:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a >>>>>> majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster?
    The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress >>>>> of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry. >>>> Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from >>>> before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    Further rebuttal courtesy of a recent obituary:

    https://static01.nyt.com/packages/html/books/phillips-emerging.pdf

    Review of 'The Emerging Republican Majority' by Kevin Phillips (Sept 21, >> 1969)

    "Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillip's
    political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic party,
    particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican
    party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute
    the emerging majority."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator)

    "Kevin Price Phillips (November 30, 1940 – October 9, 2023) was an
    American writer and commentator on politics, economics, and history. He >> emerged as a Republican Party strategist who helped devise its Southern >> Strategy in the 1960s."

    Stephen still clinging to and longing for the 60's.
    Art was clinging to the 40s.

    Great, my wonderful 50's are still up for grabs. I call dibs.

    Meanwhile babies are beheaded and he is strangely silent on that.
    Worst whatabout I've seen for quite some time.

    Gaza has gone dark. The grid is off as the power station has no fuel.
    Israel has called on all civilians to leave Gaza to the south, to Egypt.
    Egypt has refused to open the crossings.
    Hezbollah may be conducting limited incursions in the north from Lebanon.
    Some rocket fire has come from Syria into the Golan Heights.
    Israeli families are struggling with the grief of burying beheaded infants.
    We have a carrier strike group poised off the coast supposedly as a deterrent but the US
    seems woefully ineffective in the deterrence department of late.

    But you'd rather squabble over 60 years past political strategy.

    ScottW

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 11:06:23 2023
    woof! [tail wagging] yipyipyap!

    Worst whatabout I've seen for quite some time.
    Gaza has gone dark. The grid is off as the power station has no fuel.
    Israel has called on all civilians to leave Gaza to the south, to Egypt. Egypt has refused to open the crossings.
    Hezbollah may be conducting limited incursions in the north from Lebanon. Some rocket fire has come from Syria into the Golan Heights.
    Israeli families are struggling with the grief of burying beheaded infants.

    Very good recap, mutt.

    But you'd rather squabble over 60 years past political strategy.

    Here's duh-Scottie's new professional calling card:

    https://clipart-library.com/image_gallery/n1552538.jpg

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Oct 12 07:37:26 2023
    On 10/11/23 12:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:31:26 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/11/23 12:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:51:52 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/8/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:59:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 10/6/23 10:22 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    I guess civics class was less important than piano lessons.

    Budget reconciliation gives three shots at passing stuff with a >>>>>>>> majority, so it's going to be a kitchen sink of legislation.

    Do you think Witless recalls the original use of the Senate filibuster? >>>>>>> The way they worship it, presumably because it can slow the progress >>>>>>> of "crazy Democrats", undermines their furious denials of bigotry. >>>>>> Yes, but only in the context of "Democrats are the real racists" from >>>>>> before the migration of southern Dems to the Republican party.

    If you can hang historic racism on the police, I can hang historic racism on the Dem party,hey go hand in hand.
    Further rebuttal courtesy of a recent obituary:

    https://static01.nyt.com/packages/html/books/phillips-emerging.pdf

    Review of 'The Emerging Republican Majority' by Kevin Phillips (Sept 21, >>>> 1969)

    "Full racial polarization is an essential ingredient of Phillip's
    political pragmatism. He wants to seek a black Democratic party,
    particularly in the South, because this will drive into the Republican >>>> party precisely the kind of anti-Negro whites who will help constitute >>>> the emerging majority."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator)

    "Kevin Price Phillips (November 30, 1940 – October 9, 2023) was an
    American writer and commentator on politics, economics, and history. He >>>> emerged as a Republican Party strategist who helped devise its Southern >>>> Strategy in the 1960s."

    Stephen still clinging to and longing for the 60's.
    Art was clinging to the 40s.

    Great, my wonderful 50's are still up for grabs. I call dibs.

    Not wonderful for everyone. Happy Days was not a documentary.

    Meanwhile babies are beheaded and he is strangely silent on that.
    Worst whatabout I've seen for quite some time.

    But you'd rather squabble over 60 years past political strategy.

    Just responding in kind to Art.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 10:31:17 2023
    On 10/11/23 12:44 PM, ScottW wrote:

    But you'd rather squabble over 60 years past political strategy.

    William Faulkner — 'The past is never dead. It's not even past.'

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/12/southern-strategy-kevin-phillips-republican-party-trump/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.
    eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk3MDgzMjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk4NDY1NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTcwODMyMDAsImp0aSI6ImRlN2YxOGUyLWVmYWItNGI3ZS04OWM2LTE5MzA0Njk4YzM4ZSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9vcGluaW9ucy8yMDIzLzEwLzE
    yL3NvdXRoZXJuLXN0cmF0ZWd5LWtldmluLXBoaWxsaXBzLXJlcHVibGljYW4tcGFydHktdHJ1bXAvIn0.nyDRpnOJQR-WrX6USid_1fQblKzuBKMhNraDw6f7tjQ

    Unwieldy URL to get past the paywall.

    "Phillips advised Republicans to exploit the racial anxieties of White
    voters, linking them directly to issues such as crime, federal spending
    and voting rights."

    Throw in immigration and that's your world view.

    Corey Robin:

    "Beginning in 1972 with the reelection of Nixon, Republicans built this majority in the spirit of what Phillips imagined. George W. Bush, the
    last Republican president to get a popular majority, was the last spasm
    of that vision. The irony is that, under Phillips, the idea was to
    expand the Republican Party into a permanent governing majority.

    But once the White working class diminished, the electoral return of
    that resentment dramatically dwindled. As a result, instead of relying
    on robust electoral majorities, the Republican Party, to win power,
    relies on the electoral college and the malapportioned Senate.
    Phillips’s blueprint made the heyday of Republican power — and
    ultimately unmade it."

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