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  • Re: Another joy of owning an EV

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Dec 4 07:12:47 2023
    On 12/3/23 7:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric
    truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.

    What a sad anecdote. Good thing EVs are so expensive only people who can
    afford to repair them can buy them in the first place.

    In more typical cases, minor accident repairs for small EVs are "27%
    more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models," and 53%
    more for SUVs according to sources quoted in Forbes.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Dec 4 14:25:13 2023
    On 12/4/23 10:03 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/3/23 7:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric
    truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.
    What a sad anecdote. Good thing EVs are so expensive only people who can
    afford to repair them can buy them in the first place.

    In more typical cases, minor accident repairs for small EVs are "27%
    more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models," and 53%
    more for SUVs according to sources quoted in Forbes.

    You forgot to include the damage caused to other vehicles due to the EVs fat mass.

    No, you did.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Dec 5 12:02:20 2023
    On 12/5/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/4/23 10:03 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/3/23 7:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric
    truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.
    What a sad anecdote. Good thing EVs are so expensive only people who can >>>> afford to repair them can buy them in the first place.

    In more typical cases, minor accident repairs for small EVs are "27%
    more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models," and 53%
    more for SUVs according to sources quoted in Forbes.

    You forgot to include the damage caused to other vehicles due to the EVs fat mass.
    No, you did.

    Why do I have to do everything for you?

    So not only do I have to make your argument for you, I have to
    anticipate and make arguments you think you should have made?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Tue Dec 5 15:15:41 2023
    On 12/5/23 1:15 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:
    You forgot to include the damage caused to other vehicles due to the EVs fat mass.
    No, you did.

    Why do I have to do everything for you?
    So not only do I have to make your argument for you, I have to
    anticipate and make arguments you think you should have made?

    Are you feeding the Scottie-troll? After that last outburst, didn't you want to reach through your monitor and slap their snotty face?

    His reply to Trevor? That vitriol isn't a sign he's confident and
    correct. Is there a German word for a self-slapping face?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Tue Dec 5 15:57:43 2023
    On 12/5/23 3:34 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    Why do I have to do everything for you?
    So not only do I have to make your argument for you, I have to
    anticipate and make arguments you think you should have made?

    Are you feeding the Scottie-troll? After that last outburst, didn't you want
    to reach through your monitor and slap their snotty face?
    His reply to Trevor? That vitriol isn't a sign he's confident and correct. >>
    I meant the whiny one about being lazy.

    He does go on about spoon-feeding when he's called on withholding stuff.
    Too lazy to actually make an argument, of course.

    Is there a German word for a self-slapping face?

    I found Backpfeifengesicht, which means a very slappable face.
    Colin Jost would appreciate that.

    Excellent word.

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  • From Trevor Wilson@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Dec 6 17:28:25 2023
    On 4/12/2023 12:21 pm, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric
    truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.

    ScottW


    **Unless you are an expert in smash repairs, then estimating a repair
    bill can be fraught with errors. My mother had an accident in her
    Mitsubishi Colt a few years back. The car was insured for AUS$15,000.00.
    She called me at the accident site and I arrived to console her. I
    looked at the damage. It was not severe. Front nearside guard had
    impacted the front tyre, causing it to be damaged. I could have pulled
    the guard away from the tyre, allowing the spare to be installed and the
    car could then be driven away. Not much damage. A new windscreen, to
    replace a small crack, new bumper, new front guard and a grilled. 5
    Grand, max.

    The smash repair guy called me to tell me that at $14.5k repair bill,
    the car was a write-off.

    So much for my estimate. The smash repair guy explained that when the
    engine caused damage to the firewall, that the firewall could not be
    repaired, because it would have impaired the integrity of the safety cell.

    Like I said: Unless you are an expert in smash repairs, then you're just
    making wild guesses. Modern vehicles can be very expensive to repair. EV
    or otherwise.

    --
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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Dec 6 10:11:52 2023
    On 12/6/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:02:23 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/5/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/4/23 10:03 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/3/23 7:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his
    electric truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.
    What a sad anecdote. Good thing EVs are so expensive only people who can >>>>>> afford to repair them can buy them in the first place.

    In more typical cases, minor accident repairs for small EVs are "27% >>>>>> more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models," and 53% >>>>>> more for SUVs according to sources quoted in Forbes.

    You forgot to include the damage caused to other vehicles due to the EVs fat mass.
    No, you did.

    Why do I have to do everything for you?
    So not only do I have to make your argument for you, I have to
    anticipate and make arguments you think you should have made?

    Simple facts. Everyone will suffer the crushing weight of the EV conversion.

    Where were you when CAFE loopholes led to the present market domination
    by 6000-pound trucks and SUVs?

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blame

    I'll have more respect for your concern over EV curb weight when you
    come out against the Ford 150, etc.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Dec 7 08:31:57 2023
    On 12/7/23 12:12 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 8:12:33 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/6/23 9:54 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:02:23 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/5/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/4/23 10:03 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:12:51 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/3/23 7:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
    "Sticker shock" has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his
    electric truck. He thought that repairs would be "a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks."

    Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

    One big issue.....potentially damaged battery packs have to be treated like a ticking time bomb.
    What a sad anecdote. Good thing EVs are so expensive only people who can
    afford to repair them can buy them in the first place.

    In more typical cases, minor accident repairs for small EVs are "27% >>>>>>>> more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models," and 53% >>>>>>>> more for SUVs according to sources quoted in Forbes.

    You forgot to include the damage caused to other vehicles due to the EVs fat mass.
    No, you did.

    Why do I have to do everything for you?
    So not only do I have to make your argument for you, I have to
    anticipate and make arguments you think you should have made?

    Simple facts. Everyone will suffer the crushing weight of the EV conversion.
    Where were you when CAFE loopholes led to the present market domination
    by 6000-pound trucks and SUVs?

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blame

    I'll have more respect for your concern over EV curb weight when you
    come out against the Ford 150, etc.

    Where on my priority list is your respect?

    Below your need to exhibit intellectual consistency, to be sure.

    Let me guess.....it's somewhere between the bug squished on my pickups grill and some crap mexican food you stuff with french fries.

    You mean "San Diego style"? I believe that's stuff y'all in San Diego
    do, hence the name. See also: Sonora dog.

    Is your "blame the other for stuff you do" thing an instinct or a
    conscious choice from a list of bad arguments?



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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Thu Dec 7 14:27:05 2023
    On 12/7/23 11:58 AM, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    Is your "blame the other for stuff you do" thing an instinct or a
    conscious choice from a list of bad arguments?

    I think it's connected to Fucks Nooz and the MAGA-morons' addiction
    thereto. Similar behavior: Fucks's loudest bobbleheads admitted under
    oath that they deliberately lied about the 2020 election, voting machines, election workers, etc. Those admissions had no effect on MAGA-turds'
    slavish dedication to swallowing every Fucks turd. The election fiasco
    and Dickless Carlson may be forgotten, but the lies and RWNJ propaganda
    flow unabated. E.g., ask any Fucks addicts whether the U.S. or China is the greater danger to the economy, and they'll all say China. Ask them whether the massive U.S. debt could destabilize the world economy, and they'll
    start ranting about Biden causing inflation, Biden causing our debt, Biden covering up the origin of covid-19, etc.

    In the context of the other thread, it's amusing Fox is less impressed
    with Vivek than Scott is, assuming his spotlight is genuine and not just
    a troll.

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