• Re: Hamas leaders flee Qatar for Algeria

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Dec 14 07:58:36 2023
    On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama administration, seeking appeasement and soft diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his government set up the Hamas political office in Doha "after a request from Washington to establish indirect lines of communication" in 2012.

    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in power is useless.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Dec 14 13:13:55 2023
    On 12/14/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:58:39 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama administration, seeking appeasement and soft diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his government set up the Hamas political office in Doha "after a request from Washington to establish indirect lines of communication" in 2012.
    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in power is useless.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

    Plenty of blame to go around. Obama/Biden had a long track record of kissing terrorist ass.

    Reagan sold missiles to Iran.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Dec 15 19:02:12 2023
    On 12/15/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/14/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:58:39 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama administration, seeking appeasement and soft diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his government set up the Hamas political office in Doha "after a request from Washington to establish indirect lines of communication" in 2012.
    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in power is useless. >>>>
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

    Plenty of blame to go around. Obama/Biden had a long track record of kissing terrorist ass.
    Reagan sold missiles to Iran.

    because letting Saddam conquer Iran would have been so much better.

    So it's possible to deal with unsavory state actors if there's a good
    reason?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Dec 15 19:13:46 2023
    On 12/15/23 7:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:02:15 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/15/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/14/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:58:39 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama administration, seeking appeasement and soft diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his government set up the Hamas political office in Doha "after a request from Washington to establish indirect lines of communication" in 2012.
    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in power is useless. >>>>>>
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

    Plenty of blame to go around. Obama/Biden had a long track record of kissing terrorist ass.
    Reagan sold missiles to Iran.

    because letting Saddam conquer Iran would have been so much better.
    So it's possible to deal with unsavory state actors if there's a good
    reason?

    So hello to Stalin for me. Now explain the "good reason" for convincing Qatar to give luxury suites to Hamas execs. Good Luck with that.

    Access to negotiation, just as the ambassador says. See also: Oslo; Camp
    David

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 16 12:51:05 2023
    On 12/16/23 12:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:13:50 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/15/23 7:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:02:15 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/15/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 12/14/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:58:39 AM UTC-8,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a
    luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the
    Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama
    administration, seeking appeasement and soft
    diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the
    terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al
    Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his
    government set up the Hamas political office in Doha
    "after a request from Washington to establish
    indirect lines of communication" in 2012.
    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in
    power is useless.

    Now explain the "good reason" for
    convincing Qatar to give luxury suites to Hamas execs. Good Luck
    with that.
    Access to negotiation, just as the ambassador says. See also: Oslo;
    Camp David

    Who got to live at Camp David for 10 years while not negotiating

    The political office moved to Qatar after the "Arab Spring" when the
    fear was Hamas would go to Iran instead.

    It wasn't a US decision as such.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Dec 16 21:55:55 2023
    On 12/16/23 8:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/16/23 12:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:13:50 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/15/23 7:05 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 5:02:15 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/15/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:13:59 AM UTC-8, mINE109
    wrote:
    On 12/14/23 11:10 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:58:39 AM UTC-8,
    mINE109 wrote:
    On 12/13/23 5:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    and in case you wondered why they were there living a
    luxurious lifestyle....

    The U.S. played a direct role in helping set up the
    Hamas office in Qatar during the Obama
    administration, seeking appeasement and soft
    diplomacy but ultimately failing to control the
    terrorist group as it festered in Gaza. [....]

    Qatar's Ambassador to Washington Meshal bin Hamad Al
    Thani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that his
    government set up the Hamas political office in Doha
    "after a request from Washington to establish
    indirect lines of communication" in 2012.
    No, trying to blame Obama when Netanyahu is still in
    power is useless.
    Now explain the "good reason" for
    convincing Qatar to give luxury suites to Hamas execs. Good Luck
    with that.
    Access to negotiation, just as the ambassador says. See also: Oslo;
    Camp David

    Who got to live at Camp David for 10 years while not negotiating
    The political office moved to Qatar after the "Arab Spring" when the
    fear was Hamas would go to Iran instead.

    It wasn't a US decision as such.

    As such it was a direct result of a US request.

    And the first we hear of it is a self-serving op-ed from a interested
    source in a publication's right wing opinion page.

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