• Is there anybody here?

    From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 16:21:51 2024
    Apart from the spammers?
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to johnwilliamson@btinternet.com on Mon Feb 19 17:25:57 2024
    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our
    normal low traffic again.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Feb 20 09:44:54 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Feb 24 14:46:13 2024
    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our
    normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.


    But I'm here again, without the spam on Eternal September !

    eternal-september.org

    cheers

    g ;- )

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org on Sat Feb 24 02:01:28 2024
    Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our >>> normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.


    But I'm here again, without the spam on Eternal September !

    Yaaay!
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Geoff on Sat Feb 24 11:31:30 2024
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our >> normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.

    I think the deadline is Monday 26th.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Feb 24 20:30:56 2024
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to our >> normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.

    I think the deadline is Monday 26th.

    I thought it was the 22nd (a couple days ago).
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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Feb 24 20:47:08 2024
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return
    to our normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.

    I think the deadline is Monday 26th.

    I thought it was the 22nd (a couple days ago).

    Most of the spam on this group seemed to stop about 6 days ago but it
    was still getting through on <sci.electronics.design> until 18 hours
    ago. It seems to have stopped now, hopefully for good ( ...certainly
    for better).


    --
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    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Roy W. Rising on Sat Feb 24 21:45:46 2024
    On 24/02/2024 21:19, Roy W. Rising wrote:

    John started this thread last Monday 2-19. The last spam entry was on Thursday 2-22. THANKS! to whoever pulled this off. I hope it sticks. I look forward to resuming our eclectic exchanges.

    Google did it. They cut their peering connection with usenet. If they
    hadn't, many usenet server owners were considering de-peering their end
    of the connection, or just killing all posts originating on the Google
    servers. Just as we no longer see their posts, Google Groups members
    will no longer see ours.

    The elimination of received spam before the cut off date was the result
    of some heroic programming by many news server admins round the world.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From rwrising@dslextreme.com@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Feb 24 21:19:21 2024
    On Sat Feb 24 20:47:08 2024 liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> wrote:

    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return
    to our normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.

    I think the deadline is Monday 26th.

    I thought it was the 22nd (a couple days ago).

    Most of the spam on this group seemed to stop about 6 days ago but it
    was still getting through on <sci.electronics.design> until 18 hours
    ago. It seems to have stopped now, hopefully for good ( ...certainly
    for better).


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

    John started this thread last Monday 2-19. The last spam entry was on Thursday 2-22. THANKS! to whoever pulled this off. I hope it sticks. I look forward to resuming our eclectic exchanges.

    "If you notice the sound, it's wrong" ~ Roy W. Rising

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  • From david gourley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 16:43:39 2024
    Geoff <geoff@geoffwood.org> said...news:urbhp5$rkh2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 20/02/2024 10:44 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    In article <l3hdgvF1v9sU1@mid.individual.net>,
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Yes, and in four days the spammers will be gone and we can return to
    our normal low traffic again.

    Seconded.

    Well, the spammers didn't go.


    But I'm here again, without the spam on Eternal September !

    eternal-september.org

    cheers

    g ;- )

    +1
    david

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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  • From Tobiah@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Wed Mar 6 13:42:21 2024
    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't. :)

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Tobiah on Thu Mar 7 13:05:40 2024
    Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:

    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't. :)

    I would answer "No" to the first one and suggest you could include far
    more applications than Reaper in the second.



    (Fingers in ears, awaiting explosions.)

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Tobiah on Thu Mar 7 13:19:28 2024
    On 06/03/2024 21:42, Tobiah wrote:
    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't. :)


    <Grin> When I am editing or cleaning up a recording, the higher sample
    rates let me do a better job. When listening at home, at my age, the HF
    limit is in my ears, not the equipment.

    As for the Pro Tools against Reaper thing, it depends on what you count
    as useful. One good point about Pro Tools, though, is that I can use
    files from and send files to just about any professional mixing facility
    and know they will drop into their workflow with no trouble, while
    Reaper tends to be used more at the home studio end of the market.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Thu Mar 7 15:44:44 2024
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    [...]
    As for the Pro Tools against Reaper thing, it depends on what you count
    as useful. One good point about Pro Tools, though, is that I can use
    files from and send files to just about any professional mixing facility
    and know they will drop into their workflow with no trouble, while
    Reaper tends to be used more at the home studio end of the market.

    This is the only reason I have ever heard for usomg Pro-tools. It does
    the same things as dozens of other programs for a higher price and a
    more difficult learning curve -- but everyone uses it, so everyone uses
    it.


    --
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    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to geoff on Fri Mar 8 10:49:08 2024
    On 8/03/2024 10:31 am, geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2024 2:19 am, John Williamson wrote:
    On 06/03/2024 21:42, Tobiah wrote:
    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't.  :)


    <Grin> When I am editing or cleaning up a recording, the higher sample
    rates let me do a better job. When listening at home, at my age, the
    HF limit is in my ears, not the equipment.

    As for the Pro Tools against Reaper thing, it depends on what you
    count as useful. One good point about Pro Tools, though, is that I can
    use files from and send files to just about any professional mixing
    facility and know they will drop into their workflow with no trouble,
    while Reaper tends to be used more at the home studio end of the market.



    A situation engineered by the Apple maxim (initially at least) of
    locking the early market leader to a particular computer and interface platform (and 'cost') early in the evolution of the technology, gaining
    a near impenetrable foothold (as in monopoly) from which escape is
    difficult.

    There have been several attempt at undiscriminating cross-platform
    project file formats, the latest being 'DAWproject' files from Presonus, which includes pretty much all usable info including plugins and
    associated parameters.

    geoff

    https://www.bitwig.com/support/technical_support/dawproject-file-format-faqs-62/

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Mar 8 10:31:37 2024
    On 8/03/2024 2:19 am, John Williamson wrote:
    On 06/03/2024 21:42, Tobiah wrote:
    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't.  :)


    <Grin> When I am editing or cleaning up a recording, the higher sample
    rates let me do a better job. When listening at home, at my age, the HF
    limit is in my ears, not the equipment.

    As for the Pro Tools against Reaper thing, it depends on what you count
    as useful. One good point about Pro Tools, though, is that I can use
    files from and send files to just about any professional mixing facility
    and know they will drop into their workflow with no trouble, while
    Reaper tends to be used more at the home studio end of the market.



    A situation engineered by the Apple maxim (initially at least) of
    locking the early market leader to a particular computer and interface
    platform (and 'cost') early in the evolution of the technology, gaining
    a near impenetrable foothold (as in monopoly) from which escape is
    difficult.

    There have been several attempt at undiscriminating cross-platform
    project file formats, the latest being 'DAWproject' files from Presonus,
    which includes pretty much all usable info including plugins and
    associated parameters.

    geoff

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to geoff on Fri Mar 8 12:11:54 2024
    On 8/03/2024 10:49 am, geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2024 10:31 am, geoff wrote:
    On 8/03/2024 2:19 am, John Williamson wrote:
    On 06/03/2024 21:42, Tobiah wrote:
    On 2/19/24 08:21, John Williamson wrote:
    Apart from the spammers?

    Like spirits with unresolved Earthly business,
    we glide through the hallways trying to find
    out whether there is really any benefit to sample
    rates above 44.1k, and whether Pro-tools does anything
    useful that Reaper can't.  :)


    <Grin> When I am editing or cleaning up a recording, the higher
    sample rates let me do a better job. When listening at home, at my
    age, the HF limit is in my ears, not the equipment.

    As for the Pro Tools against Reaper thing, it depends on what you
    count as useful. One good point about Pro Tools, though, is that I
    can use files from and send files to just about any professional
    mixing facility and know they will drop into their workflow with no
    trouble, while Reaper tends to be used more at the home studio end of
    the market.



    A situation engineered by the Apple maxim (initially at least) of
    locking the early market leader to a particular computer and interface
    platform (and 'cost') early in the evolution of the technology,
    gaining a near impenetrable foothold (as in monopoly) from which
    escape is difficult.

    There have been several attempt at undiscriminating cross-platform
    project file formats, the latest being 'DAWproject' files from
    Presonus, which includes pretty much all usable info including plugins
    and associated parameters.

    geoff

    https://www.bitwig.com/support/technical_support/dawproject-file-format-faqs-62/



    ... and of course there is always AAF.

    geoff

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  • From Tim Sprout@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 13 19:08:05 2024
    I use Reaper because of its ability to record midi tracks of my
    electronic tom tom’s. What I don’t like is that for sessions longer than two hours Reaper begins a new 2nd wav file so I have to stitch the two consecutive tracks together in Audition where I do my editing.

    (Still lurking amateur, these days using NovaBBS, free browser based
    Usenet)

    --
    Tim Sprout

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Tim Sprout on Sun Dec 15 14:06:48 2024
    On 14/12/2024 8:08 am, Tim Sprout wrote:
    I use Reaper because of its ability to record midi tracks of my
    electronic tom tom’s. What I don’t like is that for sessions longer than two hours Reaper begins a new 2nd wav file so I have to stitch the two consecutive tracks together in Audition where I do my editing.

    (Still lurking amateur, these days using NovaBBS, free browser based
    Usenet)


    Recording MIDI tracks does not generate WAV files.

    But why bring Audition into the equation? Simply edit in Reaper !

    --
    geoff

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Geoff on Sun Dec 15 09:30:05 2024
    On 15/12/2024 01:06, Geoff wrote:
    On 14/12/2024 8:08 am, Tim Sprout wrote:
    I use Reaper because of its ability to record midi tracks of my
    electronic tom tom’s. What I don’t like is that for sessions longer than >> two hours Reaper begins a new 2nd wav file so I have to stitch the two
    consecutive tracks together in Audition where I do my editing.

    (Still lurking amateur, these days using NovaBBS, free browser based
    Usenet)


    Recording MIDI tracks does not generate WAV files.

    True, but a Reaper session file can contain both MIDI and WAV files. WAV
    files have a size limit set by the operating system.

    But why bring Audition into the equation? Simply edit in Reaper !

    Reaper may be hard coded to the FAT32 file size limits, while Audition
    allows larger files as long as your computer uses NTFS.

    I am, though, wondering why the OP is generating sessions longer than
    two hours. Most people need to take a break and that is usually the cue
    to start a new recording.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 15 13:27:04 2024
    I played around a bit with Reaper and found it kind of annoying, in
    part because of the tight MIDI integration which looked like a very
    useful thing for people using MIDI but problematic for me as someone
    who doesn't use it.

    How have you liked just working inside Reaper? Are you using it just
    as a fancy sequencer?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Dec 15 15:17:44 2024
    On 15/12/2024 13:27, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    I played around a bit with Reaper and found it kind of annoying, in
    part because of the tight MIDI integration which looked like a very
    useful thing for people using MIDI but problematic for me as someone
    who doesn't use it.

    How have you liked just working inside Reaper? Are you using it just
    as a fancy sequencer?
    --scott

    <Grinn>I had the same problems as you, it didn't suit my needs. I use
    Audition and Audacity.

    Tim Sprout, on the other hand, quite likes it. :-)

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From rwrising@dslextreme.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 15 17:39:36 2024
    On Fri Dec 13 19:08:05 2024 Tim Sprout wrote:
    I use Reaper because of its ability to record midi tracks of my
    electronic tom tom?s. What I don?t like is that for sessions longer than
    two hours Reaper begins a new 2nd wav file so I have to stitch the two consecutive tracks together in Audition where I do my editing.

    (Still lurking amateur, these days using NovaBBS, free browser based
    Usenet)

    --
    Tim Sprout

    I'm glad to see responses from the true experts who still visit here. I'm reminded of the discussions about using the "other" blade groove in our EDITall blocks. (Degauss the blade!)
    MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

    "If you notice the sound, it's wrong!" ~ Roy W. Rising

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Dec 16 22:26:55 2024
    On 16/12/2024 2:27 am, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    I played around a bit with Reaper and found it kind of annoying, in
    part because of the tight MIDI integration which looked like a very
    useful thing for people using MIDI but problematic for me as someone
    who doesn't use it.

    How have you liked just working inside Reaper? Are you using it just
    as a fancy sequencer?
    --scott

    I use it almost exclusively for audio-only projects.

    --
    geoff

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Dec 17 17:04:44 2024
    On 15 Dec 2024, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in rec.audio.pro:

    I played around a bit with Reaper and found it kind of annoying, in
    part because of the tight MIDI integration which looked like a very
    useful thing for people using MIDI but problematic for me as someone
    who doesn't use it.

    I don't get it. If you don't use MIDI, the MIDI features are all but
    invisible. If you just do audio, you may never see signs of MIDI except
    in the menus (which could be customized to hide those options.)

    MIDI editing is not Reaper's strongest suit, though it has improved a
    lot over the past few years.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 17 17:37:50 2024
    On 15 Dec 2024, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
    wrote in rec.audio.pro:

    True, but a Reaper session file can contain both MIDI and WAV
    files. WAV files have a size limit set by the operating system.

    But why bring Audition into the equation? Simply edit in Reaper !

    Reaper may be hard coded to the FAT32 file size limits, while
    Audition allows larger files as long as your computer uses NTFS.

    Reaper can be set to write files in Wave64 format, which I've been told
    can exceed normal WAV file size limits, if the operating system and
    disk file system allows it.

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Tim Sprout on Tue Dec 17 17:24:17 2024
    On 13 Dec 2024, Tim Sprout <timsprout@yahoo.com> wrote in
    rec.audio.pro:

    I use Reaper because of its ability to record midi tracks of my
    electronic tom tom's. What I don't like is that for sessions
    longer than two hours Reaper begins a new 2nd wav file so I have
    to stitch the two consecutive tracks together in Audition where I
    do my editing.

    As someone pointed out, recording MIDI doesn't create WAV files. Sounds
    like you may be recording the output of a software synth to a file, but
    that's probably not necessary.

    There is a setting to control how Reaper will create multiple files
    during a long recording (Options | Preferences | Recording | Start new
    files every (x) megabytes.) You can disable it, but it's a good safety
    measure. You shouldn't have to manually stitch the files together -
    when you render the track the system will do that for you seamlessly.

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  • From polymod@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 29 12:39:10 2024
    "Nil" wrote in message news:XnsB24BB3590CEEBnilch1@wheedledeedle.moc...

    On 15 Dec 2024, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
    wrote in rec.audio.pro:

    True, but a Reaper session file can contain both MIDI and WAV
    files. WAV files have a size limit set by the operating system.

    But why bring Audition into the equation? Simply edit in Reaper !

    Reaper may be hard coded to the FAT32 file size limits, while
    Audition allows larger files as long as your computer uses NTFS.

    Reaper can be set to write files in Wave64 format, which I've been told
    can exceed normal WAV file size limits, if the operating system and
    disk file system allows it.


    Correct.
    Check "Allow large files to use Wave64" in your Project Settings/Audio Settings.

    Poly


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