Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two years.
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two years.
On 3/2/2023 10:40 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things
made of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last
two years.
So the battery has gone up 300% in two years? That means it was about
$44 two years ago.
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two years.
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
On 3/2/2023 9:23 PM, Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
Stuck solenoid.
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two years.
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok.
Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made of metal, especially lead, have
gone up about 300% in the last two years.
On 3/2/2023 10:40 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpgIt looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two
years.
Post appears to be click bait if OP cannot understand receipt and
introduces it wrong.
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
On 3/2/23 7:23 PM, Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
He banged on the relay. Sometimes that works. OTOH, when I had a loose battery cable I banged on it with a glass coke bottle. That worked too.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
I don't think it took me 3 hours to change the starter in a 1968 LTD,
but there was a lot more room to work then :-(
On 3/7/2023 8:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 3/2/23 7:23 PM, Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
He banged on the relay. Sometimes that works. OTOH, when I had a loose >> battery cable I banged on it with a glass coke bottle. That worked too.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
I don't think it took me 3 hours to change the starter in a 1968 LTD,
but there was a lot more room to work then :-(
The last time I replaced a starter, I had to remove and replace the
battery and air cleaner to get to it. The first time, and had to remove
and replace 2 bolts and the wire nut to replace the starter.
Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:
Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
It looks like they changed the starter, the starter relay, and the
battery. The charges look ok. Thanks to the Fed, costs of things made
of metal, especially lead, have gone up about 300% in the last two years.
Okay? I'd charge my friends more than that. And three hours is about right >if it's not all rusty under there.
--scott
On 3/8/23 5:46 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/7/2023 8:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 3/2/23 7:23 PM, Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
He banged on the relay. Sometimes that works. OTOH, when I had a loose >>> battery cable I banged on it with a glass coke bottle. That worked too. >>>
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
I don't think it took me 3 hours to change the starter in a 1968 LTD,
but there was a lot more room to work then :-(
The last time I replaced a starter, I had to remove and replace the
battery and air cleaner to get to it. The first time, and had to remove
and replace 2 bolts and the wire nut to replace the starter.
This needed 2 or 3 feet of extensions to get at the bolts. My mom's
car. She always had it serviced at the dealership. I had to replace it >because it started making horrid noises and not working properly. Turns
out it had been replaced once. One bolt was entirely missing. One was
sitting on top of the starter. The third one had loosened enough to
allow the starter to flop around. Fine dealer workmanship.
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 11 Mar 2023 10:41:45 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/8/23 5:46 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/7/2023 8:31 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 3/2/23 7:23 PM, Silvano wrote:
https://i.postimg.cc/g2nJwdG4/2005camry.jpg
1. My car wouldn't start in the cold after I parked it an hour.
2. AAA came and banged on something and it started.
He banged on the relay. Sometimes that works. OTOH, when I had a loose >>>> battery cable I banged on it with a glass coke bottle. That worked too. >>>>
3. A mechanic replaced what's in that sheet above.
They charged me $500 even.
It's a friend of a friend so I can't quiz them.
Can you tell me what you think they did from the receipt?
I don't think it took me 3 hours to change the starter in a 1968 LTD,
but there was a lot more room to work then :-(
The last time I replaced a starter, I had to remove and replace the
battery and air cleaner to get to it. The first time, and had to remove
and replace 2 bolts and the wire nut to replace the starter.
This needed 2 or 3 feet of extensions to get at the bolts. My mom's
car. She always had it serviced at the dealership. I had to replace it
because it started making horrid noises and not working properly. Turns
out it had been replaced once. One bolt was entirely missing. One was
Most cars have more bolts than they need. It's a known fact, look it
up. It's caused by pressure from the bolt manufacturers. And pay-offs.
sitting on top of the starter. The third one had loosened enough to
allow the starter to flop around. Fine dealer workmanship.
My brother bought a new car in 1964. Repeated starting problems.
Dealership said it replaced starter, battery, alternator, and regulator,
each twice. Still problems. I took it to Sears and bought a new
battery and while he was putting it in, he fixed it for free in 10
minutes.
When I moved to my brother's city in 1971, the dealership was out of business.
On 12/3/2023 1:08 pm, micky wrote:
My brother bought a new car in 1964. Repeated starting problems.
Dealership said it replaced starter, battery, alternator, and regulator,
each twice. Still problems. I took it to Sears and bought a new
battery and while he was putting it in, he fixed it for free in 10
minutes.
When I moved to my brother's city in 1971, the dealership was out of
business.
Looks like they had *no trained technicians* who could *diagnose*.
Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 12/3/2023 1:08 pm, micky wrote:
My brother bought a new car in 1964. Repeated starting problems.
Dealership said it replaced starter, battery, alternator, and regulator, >>> each twice. Still problems. I took it to Sears and bought a new
battery and while he was putting it in, he fixed it for free in 10
minutes.
When I moved to my brother's city in 1971, the dealership was out of
business.
Looks like they had *no trained technicians* who could *diagnose*.
Dealers usually don't have technicians who can diagnose on staff, because most of their business comes from warranty repairs and the car manufacturers won't pay for diagnosis under warranty. Ford/GM/whoever is happy to pay
the dealer to replace the short block several times, but paying them to figure
out why the engine keeps failing is rare because there's no billing code for that.
--scott
Obviously different from this end of the world - and from when I worked
in dealerships. I can take you to any dealership here and there will be
a *factory trained technician* on staff, usually someone quite
experienced with the marque and, usually, more senior. I have even
attended advanced dealer technician training courses run by the factory/importer.
On 3/14/23 2:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
Obviously different from this end of the world - and from when I worked
in dealerships. I can take you to any dealership here and there will be
a *factory trained technician* on staff, usually someone quite
experienced with the marque and, usually, more senior. I have even
attended advanced dealer technician training courses run by the
factory/importer.
A friend's kid is that guy. He started out as a traveling bicycle repairman, was plucked out of that really good auto repair school in Riverside (I think) by BMW to go to THEIR school. Eventually he became
the top BMW in the US (and the trophy to prove it) and was sent to
represent the US in the world contest in Germany. The Germans always
win, but the test is to put a new (not yet released, not just unused) disassembled engine together while explaining what you are doing to a proctor. Not sure how 'win' is judged -- probably by time since I can't imagine any of the contestants being unable to do that task. Became
chief mech for the dealership and then service manager, which he found boring. Now they send him to diagnose difficult problems all over the country. I think he's 55 now. Not too shabby. His dad still would
only drive a BMW because of the discount and the free repairs.
Is it snarky to say that I don't think this situation could have
happened if he'd been hired by Toyota? :-)
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