Specifically, I listen to CNN or MSNBC on the Tunein app and it
streams, is that the right word, through the car radio. The free
version of Tunein is free but you pay by having to listen to mannnny commercials.
So in the car, I used to change to FM while waiting for the ads to
end, and then I'd forget and listen to FM for 10 or 20 minutes, and
when I went back to Tunein, it is almost always in the middle of
another Aramco commercial. Yesterday this happened 4 times in a row,
one break and then another 4 times.
So now I'm starting to wonder if it could be the same commercial,
that was on pause while I was listening to FM???
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >playing the cellphone signal?
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:04:25 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >>cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >>playing the cellphone signal?
To me, 'hotspot' implies WiFi, but I have no experience with streaming over WiFi
so I'm going to talk about Bluetooth (BT).
I frequently stream SiriusXM via BT from the SXM app on my phone to the radio in
my pickup, the radio in my garage, or the music system in my home theater. When
I'm streaming via BT and I turn off the receiving device, the SXM app >automatically switches to Pause within about 1-3 seconds.
It's clearly a two-way protocol.
I'm not sure how my experience relates to you
and your situation, if at all.
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:04:25 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >>cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >>playing the cellphone signal?
To me, 'hotspot' implies WiFi, but I have no experience with streaming over WiFi
so I'm going to talk about Bluetooth (BT).
I frequently stream SiriusXM via BT from the SXM app on my phone to the radio in
my pickup, the radio in my garage, or the music system in my home theater. When
I'm streaming via BT and I turn off the receiving device, the SXM app >automatically switches to Pause within about 1-3 seconds.
It's clearly a two-way protocol. I'm not sure how my experience relates to you >and your situation, if at all.
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:04:25 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >>cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >>playing the cellphone signal?
To me, 'hotspot' implies WiFi, but I have no experience with streaming over WiFi
so I'm going to talk about Bluetooth (BT).
I frequently stream SiriusXM via BT from the SXM app on my phone to the radio in
my pickup, the radio in my garage, or the music system in my home theater. When
I'm streaming via BT and I turn off the receiving device, the SXM app >automatically switches to Pause within about 1-3 seconds.
It's clearly a two-way protocol. I'm not sure how my experience relates to you >and your situation, if at all.
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:54:33 -0500, Jim Joyce ><none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:04:25 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio >>>(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >>>cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had >>>turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >>>playing the cellphone signal?
To me, 'hotspot' implies WiFi, but I have no experience with streaming over WiFi
so I'm going to talk about Bluetooth (BT).
I frequently stream SiriusXM via BT from the SXM app on my phone to the radio in
my pickup, the radio in my garage, or the music system in my home theater. When
I'm streaming via BT and I turn off the receiving device, the SXM app >>automatically switches to Pause within about 1-3 seconds.
It's clearly a two-way protocol. I'm not sure how my experience relates to you
and your situation, if at all.
Well, by golly, you were exactly right.
Sitting still I could watch the
app go to Pause in less than 2 seconds after I switched from CD Changer >(Bluetooth)** to AM. More than half the time it would switch back to
Play when I switched the radio back to CD Changer.
**This is a car and radio from 2005 and didn't come with Bluetooth.
GTA Carkit has add-ons for many older cars to connect the phone to the
radio, to play phone calls and webradio through the much better car
radio speakers. I think it was about $140 and well worth it. Also has
an AUX input. There might be another company that sells something
similar.
It works in my and I think most cases by plugging into the CD Changer
jack in the back of the radio. I didn't have and didn't want a CD
changer anyhow.
If the phone is on and has once been paired with the car, it connects
when the car is turned on. If the car is on, I think one has to do
something on the phone when you turn the phone on. I've noticed that >bluetooth is so clever that when I'm wearing bluetooth headphones and I
turn the car on, the car takes over the bluetooth without my doing
anything,
I could have known bluetooth was 2-way because, when I turn the car off,
or turn off whatever the phone is connected to, the sounds from the
phone either switch to the phone's speaker or stop altogether. Of
course changing from CD Changer to AM or FM is not the same as turning
the car off, and it's still paired and connected because when I press CD >changer again, it starts playing in under 2 seconds (in those cases
where it restarts on its own.)
So all those times I thought I was killing time until the ad was over, I
was just fooling myself! And though the same ad is played 5 or 6 times
an hour, at least it's not so omnipresent that every time I switch back, >another copy of the ad is playing.
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:54:33 -0500, Jim Joyce ><none@none.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:04:25 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio >>>(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the >>>cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had >>>turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and >>>playing the cellphone signal?
To me, 'hotspot' implies WiFi, but I have no experience with streaming over WiFi
so I'm going to talk about Bluetooth (BT).
You're right, Hotspot means Wifi. And yes, I was talking about
Bluetooth. I'm glad you figured it out, and I'm glad I gave details
about the phone and the car. :-)
I frequently stream SiriusXM via BT from the SXM app on my phone to the radio in
my pickup, the radio in my garage, or the music system in my home theater. When
I'm streaming via BT and I turn off the receiving device, the SXM app >>automatically switches to Pause within about 1-3 seconds.
Wow
I guess I should look at the app when I turn off the radio. Usually
I'm driving and try to distract myself as little as possible, but I
could do this while standing still too. Also usually the map is showing
on the phone, so if Tunein shows that it has paused, I wouldn't see it.
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and playing the cellphone signal?
It seems very unlikely to me, but I can't keep up with new advances in
tech. And it would account for what seems to be happening.
Specifically, I listen to CNN or MSNBC on the Tunein app and it streams,
is that the right word, through the car radio. The free version of
Tunein is free but you pay by having to listen to mannnny commercials.
One in particular annoys me. It's a commercial for Aramco. A feel-good
ad using a woman's mellifluous voice, talking in cliches about the
future, etc. They don't mention its full name, Saudi Aramco, or that
its majority owner is Saudi Arabia. SA seems to have decided it wants
to improve its image, after the murder of Adnan Khashoggi and
allegations of war crimes in Yemen, and they seem to be starting with
Aramco.
Tunein has a practice of running the same commercial over and over and
over, several times an hour all day long. If one listens to broadcast
tv or radio, different programs have their own set of commericals, so
they change as the day goes on, and it's not annoying, but Tunein plays
the same ones all the time. And in many cases it plays the same one
several times an hour. The Aramco commercial runs 5 or 6 times an hour.
And it's part of a series of ads that take 3 or 4 minutes, maybe longer.
So in the car, I used to change to FM while waiting for the ads to end,
and then I'd forget and listen to FM for 10 or 20 minutes, and when I
went back to Tunein, it is almost always in the middle of another Aramco commercial. Yesterday this happened 4 times in a row, one break and
then another 4 times.
So now I'm starting to wonder if it could be the same commercial, that
was on pause while I was listening to FM??? Or while the radio was off altogether?? Is that possible? That the app knew the signal was not
beling played through the radio? Finally I've taken to turning down the volume so I don't hear it. The app certainly doesn't know ablut that,
and it seems to work, or must it be my imagination?
Sitting still I could watch the
app go to Pause in less than 2 seconds after I switched from CD Changer >>(Bluetooth)** to AM. More than half the time it would switch back to
Play when I switched the radio back to CD Changer.
**This is a car and radio from 2005 and didn't come with Bluetooth.
GTA Carkit has add-ons for many older cars to connect the phone to the >>radio, to play phone calls and webradio through the much better car
radio speakers. I think it was about $140 and well worth it. Also has
an AUX input. There might be another company that sells something
similar.
It works in my and I think most cases by plugging into the CD Changer
jack in the back of the radio. I didn't have and didn't want a CD
changer anyhow.
Yes, Toyota factory radios tend to have the CD changer port. I've never seen >anyone actually connect a changer there,
but I've seen and helped install 15-20
adapters of varying kinds for people who wanted an aux port or a USB port or
even BT. It's a handy port. I hope other car manufacturers do similar.
If the phone is on and has once been paired with the car, it connects
when the car is turned on. If the car is on, I think one has to do >>something on the phone when you turn the phone on. I've noticed that >>bluetooth is so clever that when I'm wearing bluetooth headphones and I >>turn the car on, the car takes over the bluetooth without my doing >>anything,
I could have known bluetooth was 2-way because, when I turn the car off,
or turn off whatever the phone is connected to, the sounds from the
phone either switch to the phone's speaker or stop altogether. Of
course changing from CD Changer to AM or FM is not the same as turning
the car off, and it's still paired and connected because when I press CD >>changer again, it starts playing in under 2 seconds (in those cases
where it restarts on its own.)
So all those times I thought I was killing time until the ad was over, I >>was just fooling myself! And though the same ad is played 5 or 6 times
an hour, at least it's not so omnipresent that every time I switch back, >>another copy of the ad is playing.
How many times in life do we fool ourselves. :-)
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:35:55 -0500, Jim Joyce ><none@none.invalid> wrote:
Sitting still I could watch the
app go to Pause in less than 2 seconds after I switched from CD Changer >>>(Bluetooth)** to AM. More than half the time it would switch back to >>>Play when I switched the radio back to CD Changer.
**This is a car and radio from 2005 and didn't come with Bluetooth.
GTA Carkit has add-ons for many older cars to connect the phone to the >>>radio, to play phone calls and webradio through the much better car
radio speakers. I think it was about $140 and well worth it. Also has >>>an AUX input. There might be another company that sells something >>>similar.
It works in my and I think most cases by plugging into the CD Changer >>>jack in the back of the radio. I didn't have and didn't want a CD >>>changer anyhow.
Yes, Toyota factory radios tend to have the CD changer port. I've never seen >>anyone actually connect a changer there,
My previous car, same model Solara, but 2000, had a changer IN the
radio. I liked that, but by 2015 it stopped working. I couldn't fix it
and to get my CDs out, I had to destroy it. A changer in the trunk
would probably not be so compact or fragile, but I don't want to have to
the trunk to change CDs. And now we have smartphones!
but I've seen and helped install 15-20
adapters of varying kinds for people who wanted an aux port or a USB port or
Wow, you must be an expert on this.
It was so humid the other day there was water above the middle two AC
vents. And when I take the keys out of the ignition, they are cold.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:15:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:35:55 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
Sitting still I could watch the
app go to Pause in less than 2 seconds after I switched from CD Changer >>>> (Bluetooth)** to AM. More than half the time it would switch back to
Play when I switched the radio back to CD Changer.
**This is a car and radio from 2005 and didn't come with Bluetooth.
GTA Carkit has add-ons for many older cars to connect the phone to the >>>> radio, to play phone calls and webradio through the much better car
radio speakers. I think it was about $140 and well worth it. Also has >>>> an AUX input. There might be another company that sells something
similar.
It works in my and I think most cases by plugging into the CD Changer
jack in the back of the radio. I didn't have and didn't want a CD
changer anyhow.
Yes, Toyota factory radios tend to have the CD changer port. I've never seen
anyone actually connect a changer there,
My previous car, same model Solara, but 2000, had a changer IN the
radio. I liked that, but by 2015 it stopped working. I couldn't fix it
My 2002 Highlander had a 6-CD changer like that, but it still had the rear panel
connector for an external CD changer. I added an Aux port. This was before Bluetooth and USB were a thing.
and to get my CDs out, I had to destroy it. A changer in the trunk
would probably not be so compact or fragile, but I don't want to have to
the trunk to change CDs. And now we have smartphones!
but I've seen and helped install 15-20
adapters of varying kinds for people who wanted an aux port or a USB port or
Wow, you must be an expert on this.
No, you've seen how easy it is. A chimp can do it.
<snip>
It was so humid the other day there was water above the middle two AC
vents. And when I take the keys out of the ignition, they are cold.
I currently live in south Mississippi. I know something about humidity.
On 28/7/2023 2:57 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:15:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:A single CD changer that can deal with MP3 format, convert all the songs
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:35:55 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:
Sitting still I could watch the
app go to Pause in less than 2 seconds after I switched from CD Changer >>>>> (Bluetooth)** to AM. More than half the time it would switch back to >>>>> Play when I switched the radio back to CD Changer.
**This is a car and radio from 2005 and didn't come with Bluetooth.
GTA Carkit has add-ons for many older cars to connect the phone to the >>>>> radio, to play phone calls and webradio through the much better car
radio speakers. I think it was about $140 and well worth it. Also has >>>>> an AUX input. There might be another company that sells something
similar.
It works in my and I think most cases by plugging into the CD Changer >>>>> jack in the back of the radio. I didn't have and didn't want a CD
changer anyhow.
Yes, Toyota factory radios tend to have the CD changer port. I've never seen
anyone actually connect a changer there,
My previous car, same model Solara, but 2000, had a changer IN the
radio. I liked that, but by 2015 it stopped working. I couldn't fix it
My 2002 Highlander had a 6-CD changer like that, but it still had the rear panel
connector for an external CD changer. I added an Aux port. This was before >> Bluetooth and USB were a thing.
and to get my CDs out, I had to destroy it. A changer in the trunk
would probably not be so compact or fragile, but I don't want to have to >>> the trunk to change CDs. And now we have smartphones!
but I've seen and helped install 15-20
adapters of varying kinds for people who wanted an aux port or a USB port or
Wow, you must be an expert on this.
No, you've seen how easy it is. A chimp can do it.
<snip>
It was so humid the other day there was water above the middle two AC
vents. And when I take the keys out of the ignition, they are cold.
I currently live in south Mississippi. I know something about humidity.
you want into MP3 format and stick them onto a *single CD*.
I had the 6
stack CD in my 2010 Corolla - and found I never used it much.
In my
current car I have all the songs I want to listen to on a thumb drive.
If I get sick of them, I keep others in the glove compartment. The
advantage, not so prone to heat issues like CDs. I used to burn copies
of my CDs to use in the car. At the same time I would rip them into MP3 >format and the CDs would then be stored in a safe, dry and cool spot.
Haven't used a CD in the car in, quite literally, years.
I think they
are phasing car CD players out in newer models, my current Toyota is
2016 and still has one.
On 25/07/2023 11:04, micky wrote:
When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio
(in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the
cellphone or the app that is running? Would the app know if I had
turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and
playing the cellphone signal?
A real radio doesn't connect to a hotspot. It receives radio signals.
So what are you talking about?
Hotspot usually refers to a Wi-Fi hotspot.
Perhaps the "real" radio is an internet radio?
If so it's up to the software or app running in the "real" radio what it >sends back.
ON the other hand perhaps you are referring to a bluetooth connection
from the phone to the "real" radio which is acting as a Bluetooth speaker?
In that case the app in the phone may stop or pause when the "real"
radio disconnects, or it may not.
It seems very unlikely to me, but I can't keep up with new advances in
tech. And it would account for what seems to be happening.
Specifically, I listen to CNN or MSNBC on the Tunein app and it streams,
is that the right word, through the car radio. The free version of
Tunein is free but you pay by having to listen to mannnny commercials.
One in particular annoys me. It's a commercial for Aramco. A feel-good
ad using a woman's mellifluous voice, talking in cliches about the
future, etc. They don't mention its full name, Saudi Aramco, or that
its majority owner is Saudi Arabia. SA seems to have decided it wants
to improve its image, after the murder of Adnan Khashoggi and
allegations of war crimes in Yemen, and they seem to be starting with
Aramco.
Adnan Khashoggi is, as far as I know fine. Perhaps you mean his nephew
Jamal?
Tunein has a practice of running the same commercial over and over and
over, several times an hour all day long. If one listens to broadcast
tv or radio, different programs have their own set of commericals, so
they change as the day goes on, and it's not annoying, but Tunein plays
the same ones all the time. And in many cases it plays the same one
several times an hour. The Aramco commercial runs 5 or 6 times an hour.
And it's part of a series of ads that take 3 or 4 minutes, maybe longer.
So in the car, I used to change to FM while waiting for the ads to end,
and then I'd forget and listen to FM for 10 or 20 minutes, and when I
went back to Tunein, it is almost always in the middle of another Aramco
commercial. Yesterday this happened 4 times in a row, one break and
then another 4 times.
So now I'm starting to wonder if it could be the same commercial, that
was on pause while I was listening to FM??? Or while the radio was off
altogether?? Is that possible? That the app knew the signal was not
beling played through the radio? Finally I've taken to turning down the
volume so I don't hear it. The app certainly doesn't know ablut that,
and it seems to work, or must it be my imagination?
What radio station are you listening to using Tunein Radio?
As far as I know Tunein don't add their own commercials, except maybe at
the beginning immediately after you choose and start playing a radio
station, though it's difficult to tell, some of the stations do that too.
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