• car with splayed wheels.

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 23:27:15 2023
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    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops. I'm not talking about camber or caster or what
    ever. These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels

    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 17 22:41:34 2023
    On 9/17/23 8:27 PM, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops. I'm not talking about camber or caster or what
    ever. These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.

    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they sell/sold it.

    '86' is restaurant slang for 'throw it away'.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels

    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

    Google says "The wheels are tilted for the purposes of gaining more
    traction during hard turns. Any form of “tilt” in tires is something
    called the camber angle, and splaying the wheels like that is a negative
    camber angle. Doing it the other way ( with the top out instead of the
    bottom) is called positive camber."

    If that were true, wouldn't serious race cars tilt their tires? I've
    seen cars with tilted tires and it just looks stupid. Spend the money
    on pretty neon under-car lights instead.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Sep 18 19:04:00 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops. I'm not talking about camber or caster or what
    ever. These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels

    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit. Stancing of that order is all about the look. Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!

    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to
    zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear too.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Xeno on Mon Sep 18 09:20:52 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what
    ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they
    sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels >>

    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.


    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.

    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on
    the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically
    (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road
    contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side
    when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.

    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!


    You are the utterly stupid wanker!

    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to
    zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear
    too.


    That's not good for racing, simpleton.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 18 15:42:28 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what
    ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they
    sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.


    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.

    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.

    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on
    the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically
    (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road >contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the >centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side
    when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very >difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.

    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!


    You are the utterly stupid wanker!

    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to
    zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear
    too.


    That's not good for racing, simpleton.

    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at
    the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Sep 18 19:26:46 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet >>>> and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.

    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.

    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.


    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on
    the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically
    (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road
    contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side
    when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very
    difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!

    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to
    zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear
    too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at
    the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?

    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 13:11:22 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 18/9/2023 11:20 pm, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet >>> and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures
    I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they
    sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels

    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.

    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.


    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.

    Approx. 3 degrees negative at the front and between 0 and 1 degrees
    negative at the rear. You won't visually see 1 degree of negative
    camber. The front suspension changes in load under cornering will
    increase or decrease camber by up to 5 degrees, the unloaded inner wheel typically losing camber and becoming vertical whilst the outer wheel
    will increase negative camber under cornering forces. The increase in
    cornering forces places pressure on tyre sidewalls so that the tread
    sits *flat* on the road. At the rear, traction is more important so less negative camber is the order of the day. As well, rear tyres are
    typically wider so too much negative camber will cause a *loss* in the
    tyre contact area because the tyre will be running on and contacting on
    only one side of the tread.

    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on
    the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    Sounds impressive but irrelevant to the negative camber. Oh, and there's
    no such an animal as centrifugal force. It's just a convenient fiction
    to explain *forces* to numbnuts like yourself.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically
    (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    Please try to understand the effect a lateral arm suspension has on
    camber under cornering.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side
    when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very difficult to push you over from the side.

    Again, sounds impressive but irrelevant when referencing negative
    camber. What you should be focused on is the vehicle's roll centre
    versus G of G.

    Stancing of that order is all about the look.

    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!


    You are the utterly stupid wanker!

    https://static1.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Stanced-Lexus-GS300-Cropped.jpg

    Now tell me that the car in the above link looks anything but
    ridiculous? Sitting only on 50% or less of the tyre contact area and of
    such a profile that, even with sidewall distortion, there's no hope of
    ever getting 100% contact patch engagement so handling is *compromised*
    at best and downright dangerous at worst.

    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to
    zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear
    too.


    That's not good for racing, simpleton.

    Then you clearly do not understand racing. The important factor in any
    sort of car handling is tyre contact area and tyre slip angles. When you understand those two factors, come back and discuss it further. Thus far
    all you've been doing is throwing irrelevant bullshit into the mix.
    Basically, that tells me you do not have a clue about vehicle handling
    be it in racing or road use.

    FWIW, I've done more car wheel alignments than you've had hot dinners.


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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 13:13:04 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 19/9/2023 9:26 am, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20
    feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures >>>>> I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.

    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.

    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.

    Never seen a *stanced* race car. Ie. a *real race car*. Only seen it on
    poseur cars.

    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on >>> the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically >>> (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road
    contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side >>> when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very
    difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!

    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to >>>> zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear >>>> too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at
    the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?

    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.




    --
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  • From Jim Joyce@21:1/5 to micky on Mon Sep 18 22:05:08 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 12:55:52 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:26:46 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet >>>>> and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures >>>>> I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.

    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.

    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.

    Well, sure. But the topic is still street cars and insulting someone
    for discussing a different topic from what you want to change it to is
    more reprehensible than insulting someone who is misdiscussing the same
    topic you are discussing.


    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to
    flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on >>> the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically >>> (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road
    contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the
    side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side >>> when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very
    difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!

    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to >>>> zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear >>>> too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at
    the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?

    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.

    Who said I can't figure it out? I already knew it. And even if I didn't/couldn't, why are you so insulting? If you have indigestion,
    take a TUMS. Every time you act like this, you lose credibility even
    when you're behaving properly. Ask yourself why you call yourself a
    wannabe.


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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Sep 20 12:03:23 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/19/2023 12:55 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:26:46 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe >>> ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a >>>>>> sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from >>>>>> center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>>>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet >>>>>> and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures >>>>>> I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.
    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.
    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.
    Well, sure. But the topic is still street cars


    Yes, the topic is street cars, but the people are using street cars to
    emulate the effect and look race cars. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    and insulting someone
    for discussing a different topic from what you want to change it to is
    more reprehensible than insulting someone who is misdiscussing the same
    topic you are discussing.
    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to >>>> flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on >>>> the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the
    centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically >>>> (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road >>>> contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the >>>> side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't
    take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side >>>> when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very >>>> difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker! >>>>>
    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to >>>>> zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear >>>>> too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at
    the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?
    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.
    Who said I can't figure it out? I already knew it.


    You behave like you can't figure it out. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    And even if I
    didn't/couldn't, why are you so insulting? If you have indigestion,
    take a TUMS. Every time you act like this, you lose credibility even
    when you're behaving properly. Ask yourself why you call yourself a wannabe.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 14:13:09 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    Are you like this in person too?

    In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:03:23 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/19/2023 12:55 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:26:46 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe >>>> ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a >>>>>>> sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from >>>>>>> center than the tops.   I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>>>>> ever.  These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet >>>>>>> and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures >>>>>>> I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>>>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all
    negative - no benefit.
    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no
    knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.
    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.
    Well, sure. But the topic is still street cars


    Yes, the topic is street cars, but the people are using street cars to >emulate the effect and look race cars. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    and insulting someone
    for discussing a different topic from what you want to change it to is
    more reprehensible than insulting someone who is misdiscussing the same
    topic you are discussing.
    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to >>>>> flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of
    gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on >>>>> the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the >>>>> centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically >>>>> (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road >>>>> contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the
    centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the >>>>> side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't >>>>> take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side >>>>> when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very >>>>> difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker! >>>>>>
    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to >>>>>> zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear >>>>>> too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at >>>> the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a
    word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?
    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.
    Who said I can't figure it out? I already knew it.


    You behave like you can't figure it out. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    And even if I
    didn't/couldn't, why are you so insulting? If you have indigestion,
    take a TUMS. Every time you act like this, you lose credibility even
    when you're behaving properly. Ask yourself why you call yourself a
    wannabe.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to none@none.invalid on Sat Sep 23 21:14:55 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:05:08 -0500, Jim Joyce <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

    Thanks. This one really impressed me https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/what-do-you-think-of-this-stanced-nissan-350z/

    I want one.

    also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(vehicle)

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  • From Jim Joyce@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Sep 23 22:15:19 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:05:08 -0500, Jim Joyce ><none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed. >>>Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from >>>center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

    Thanks. This one really impressed me >https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/what-do-you-think-of-this-stanced-nissan-350z/

    I want one.

    also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(vehicle)

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because I don't see any pros, only cons.

    Another thing I'm starting to see are vehicles that are lifted several feet in the front, and not at all in the rear. The driver and passengers are staring at the sky, which seems to be a safety issue.

    https://www.hotcars.com/carolina-squat-what-it-is-where-come-from/

    I've seen examples on the street that are even more extreme than the most extreme examples in the article at that link. You can easily hide a whole vehicle in the blind spot, let alone a motorcyclist or pedestrian.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to Jim Joyce on Sun Sep 24 14:38:28 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:05:08 -0500, Jim Joyce
    <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed.
    Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

    Thanks. This one really impressed me
    https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/what-do-you-think-of-this-stanced-nissan-350z/

    I want one.

    also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(vehicle)

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    Another thing I'm starting to see are vehicles that are lifted several feet in
    the front, and not at all in the rear. The driver and passengers are staring at
    the sky, which seems to be a safety issue.

    https://www.hotcars.com/carolina-squat-what-it-is-where-come-from/

    I've seen examples on the street that are even more extreme than the most extreme examples in the article at that link. You can easily hide a whole vehicle in the blind spot, let alone a motorcyclist or pedestrian.


    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Sat Sep 23 22:23:06 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    The beatings will continue until morale improves

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  • From John Carlson@21:1/5 to Xeno on Sun Sep 24 01:57:36 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/2023 12:38 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:05:08 -0500, Jim Joyce
    <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a
    sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from
    center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the
    considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for
    stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

    Thanks.  This one really impressed me
    https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/what-do-you-think-of-this-stanced-nissan-350z/


    I want one.

    also:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(vehicle)

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.


    You have no money even for food. You are on a subsistence diet of wild
    wabbit and dingo meat. You're jealous of fancy cars. That's why you
    think it is stupid, stupid.



    Another thing I'm starting to see are vehicles that are lifted
    several feet in
    the front, and not at all in the rear. The driver and passengers are
    staring at
    the sky, which seems to be a safety issue.

    https://www.hotcars.com/carolina-squat-what-it-is-where-come-from/

    I've seen examples on the street that are even more extreme than the
    most
    extreme examples in the article at that link. You can easily hide a
    whole
    vehicle in the blind spot, let alone a motorcyclist or pedestrian.



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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Sun Sep 24 03:22:42 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside
    my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Sep 24 18:09:21 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur! ;-)


    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 24 18:20:44 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 24/9/2023 5:22 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside
    my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

    Any girl that would be attracted to a stanced car, or any fancy car for
    that matter, is not the kind of girl I would want in my life.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to John Carlson on Sun Sep 24 18:17:20 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 24/9/2023 3:57 pm, John Carlson wrote:
    On 9/24/2023 12:38 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:55 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:05:08 -0500, Jim Joyce
    <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 23:27:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ.  Very pretty car (for a >>>>>> sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels.  All 4 were splayed. >>>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from >>>>>> center than the tops.

    Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the
    considerable noise.

    The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for
    stanced cars
    and you'll see what it's about.

    Thanks.  This one really impressed me
    https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/what-do-you-think-of-this-stanced-nissan-350z/

    I want one.

    also:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stance_(vehicle)

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.


    You have no money even for food. You are on a subsistence diet of wild
    wabbit and dingo meat. You're jealous of fancy cars. That's why you
    think it is stupid, stupid.

    Jealous of *fancy cars*? I don't think so. I don't *worship* cars and I
    am sufficiently well endowed that I have no need of a penis extension.
    To me, cars are a machine, nothing more, and it was once my role to
    repair such machines. I like my car to be practical - stanced cars are definitely not practical thus have no place in my garage or in my life.


    Another thing I'm starting to see are vehicles that are lifted
    several feet in
    the front, and not at all in the rear. The driver and passengers are
    staring at
    the sky, which seems to be a safety issue.

    https://www.hotcars.com/carolina-squat-what-it-is-where-come-from/

    I've seen examples on the street that are even more extreme than the
    most
    extreme examples in the article at that link. You can easily hide a
    whole
    vehicle in the blind spot, let alone a motorcyclist or pedestrian.




    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 24 08:58:12 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/2023 2:22 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside
    my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.


    Depends on what sort of girls you prefer:

    https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1965_chevrolet_corvair_15438664373e8dec47ad07DSC_0140-Large.jpg
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to am@yellowjersey.org on Sun Sep 24 11:18:50 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:58:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/24/2023 2:22 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside
    my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.


    Depends on what sort of girls you prefer:

    https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1965_chevrolet_corvair_15438664373e8dec47ad07DSC_0140-Large.jpg

    That's nice. My friend Larry had a Corvair. Only the early ones were dangerous.

    And it has vent windows. My uncle called them No-Draft, but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do that) and blew
    the breeze right on me. I miss that.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 24 16:06:22 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 2023-09-24, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:58:12 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 9/24/2023 2:22 AM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside >>> my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.


    Depends on what sort of girls you prefer:
    https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1965_chevrolet_corvair_15438664373e8dec47ad07DSC_0140-Large.jpg

    That's nice. My friend Larry had a Corvair. Only the early ones were dangerous.

    My mother had a Corvair. Two of them, in fact. I can't remember
    if the white one replaced the blue one or vice versa.

    And it has vent windows. My uncle called them No-Draft, but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do that) and blew
    the breeze right on me. I miss that.

    My first car had vent windows. I don't miss them. Air-conditioning
    is better.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Sun Sep 24 10:14:18 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur! ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!


    --
    Cheers, Bev

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Sun Sep 24 10:19:57 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/23 1:20 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 5:22 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside
    my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

    Looking for jailbait? <sigh>

    Any girl that would be attracted to a stanced car, or any fancy car for
    that matter, is not the kind of girl I would want in my life.

    I can't drive well enough to take advantage of 150mph etc. capabilities,
    but I'm happy to associate with those who can if they'll let me ride
    with them!

    Purely cosmetic shit doesn't count unless it's a really fabulous paint
    job. They have truly spectacular colors now.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Brian (Talking to crowd): You need to be independent minded.
    Crowd: We are! We are!
    Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 24 10:23:14 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/23 8:18 AM, micky wrote:

    And it has vent windows. My uncle called them No-Draft, but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do that) and blew
    the breeze right on me. I miss that.

    That's what my family called them too. We also had one of those window
    coolers with a string that you pulled when you wanted a spray of water
    in your face.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Warning: Objects in mirror appear smarter than they are.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Sep 24 12:33:06 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/2023 12:23 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 8:18 AM, micky wrote:

    And it has vent windows.  My uncle called them No-Draft,
    but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do
    that) and blew
    the breeze right on me.  I miss that.

    That's what my family called them too.  We also had one of
    those window coolers with a string that you pulled when you
    wanted a spray of water in your face.


    " Warning: Objects in mirror appear smarter than they are.

    Reading a Bev sig line makes for a pleasant afternoon. Thank
    you as always!

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Sun Sep 24 17:55:00 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:58:12 -0500, AMuzi ><am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Depends on what sort of girls you prefer:
    https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1965_chevrolet_corvair_15438664373e8dec47ad07DSC_0140-Large.jpg

    That's nice. My friend Larry had a Corvair. Only the early ones were >dangerous.

    Believe me, it's the girls that are dangerous.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Sep 24 19:53:53 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:06:22 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My mother had a Corvair. Two of them, in fact. I can't remember if the white one replaced the blue one or vice versa.

    A white one, '61 I think, appeared in a neighbor's driveway. I was able to confirm a vague memory of the shift being a little vertical lever on the
    dash. My brother had a rental and that was what I mostly remember about
    the car. He liked to rent Hertz's stranger selections.

    I went to a car auction in the '80s. The sales for fat fender coupes and
    so forth moved along rapidly until they rolled out a beautifully restored Corvair. The bidding got up to $2000 and lagged. Finally the auctioneer
    told the owner that he could withdraw the car since it hadn't reached the reserve but that was was all the car was worth. Classic/antique car values
    are fickle.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Sep 24 19:58:39 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:18:50 -0400, micky wrote:

    And it has vent windows. My uncle called them No-Draft, but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do that) and blew
    the breeze right on me. I miss that.

    We has a '65 Dodge with vent windows. Later designs had a locking button
    on the lever but you could easily open the vent with a pocket knife and
    reach the door handle. After a radio was stolen from the car I
    demonstrated to the insurance man but he was not impressed. "You must have
    left it unlocked." I haven't had to deal with insurance in years but at
    that time there always was a reason why whatever it was wasn't covered.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Sep 25 18:37:45 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Sep 26 13:42:30 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target >>>>>>> market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them >>>>> remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to Aus.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Mon Sep 25 20:26:12 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target
    market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-) That would be the bottom side, then? Aussies use FRENCH spelling?

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "It's important to never be arrogant. Especially if you're one
    of the little people whose opinion doesn't matter." --Rat

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Mon Sep 25 22:16:52 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target >>>>>>>> market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have them >>>>>> remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second syllable...


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    All bleeding eventually stops.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Sep 26 16:16:14 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the
    target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have
    them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser? >>>>>>>
    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-) >>>>>
    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common >>>> use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling? >>>
    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to
    Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to xenolith@optusnet.com.au on Tue Sep 26 22:41:47 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the
    target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have >>>>>>>> them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser? >>>>>>>>
    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-) >>>>>>
    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common >>>>> use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling? >>>>
    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to
    Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to micky on Wed Sep 27 12:59:23 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 27/9/2023 12:41 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the >>>>>>>>>>> target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have >>>>>>>>> them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser? >>>>>>>>>
    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-) >>>>>>>
    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common >>>>>> use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling? >>>>>
    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to >>>> Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.

    That's pretty much the way we see it on this side of the Pacific.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Xeno on Wed Sep 27 03:04:40 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:59:23 +1000, Xeno wrote:

    On 27/9/2023 12:41 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000, Xeno
    <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the >>>>>>>>>>>> target market because I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have >>>>>>>>>> them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a >>>>>>>>>> poser?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  >>>>>>>>> ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in
    common use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH
    spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported*
    to Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.


    My first definition of poser would be a difficult question like 'why is
    there something rather than nothing?'

    That's pretty much the way we see it on this side of the Pacific.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Tue Sep 26 23:06:41 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:23:14 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/24/23 8:18 AM, micky wrote:

    And it has vent windows. My uncle called them No-Draft, but I used to
    open them so far they pointed forward (not all will do that) and blew
    the breeze right on me. I miss that.

    That's what my family called them too.

    We also had one of those window
    coolers with a string that you pulled when you wanted a spray of water
    in your face.

    Never heard for that. Sounds great.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Xeno on Tue Sep 26 21:36:36 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/26/23 7:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 27/9/2023 12:41 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000, Xeno
    <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the >>>>>>>>>>>> target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have >>>>>>>>>> them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    OK, real question: Do those idiots swap sides when the inner edge wears sufficiently?

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur!  ;-) >>>>>>>>
    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in common >>>>>>> use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then *transported* to >>>>> Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.

    That's pretty much the way we see it on this side of the Pacific.

    You and I are on the same side of the Pacific; poser and poseur are the
    same thing; the 'posing for pictures' definition is in reality also the
    same thing.


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
    -- Hunter S. Thompson

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Sep 27 15:20:22 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 27/9/2023 2:36 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/26/23 7:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 27/9/2023 12:41 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000, Xeno
    <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>
    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires.  If you have >>>>>>>>>>> them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a >>>>>>>>>>> poser?

    OK, real question:  Do those idiots swap sides when the inner edge wears sufficiently?

    Well, you would need to swap the tyre on the rim first, for a start. And
    then, even if the tyre was swapped, it still wouldn't be legal as the
    tread requires a *minimum depth* right across the entire tread and any
    mileage done with a ridiculous camber like those I've seen will
    definitely wear the one shoulder right off. Camber angles like that defy
    logic.

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a
    poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's the version in >>>>>>>> common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies use FRENCH
    spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then
    *transported* to
    Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.

    That's pretty much the way we see it on this side of the Pacific.

    You and I are on the same side of the Pacific;  poser and poseur are the same thing;  the 'posing for pictures' definition is in reality also the same thing.



    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Xeno on Wed Sep 27 07:40:23 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 9/27/2023 12:20 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 27/9/2023 2:36 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/26/23 7:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 27/9/2023 12:41 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:16:14 +1000,
    Xeno
    <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

    On 26/9/2023 3:16 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 26/9/2023 1:26 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/25/23 1:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 25/9/2023 3:14 am, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/24/23 1:09 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 3:23 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not
    part of the
    target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is*
    stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the
    tires.  If you have
    them remounted to use the other side, does that
    mark you as a poser?

    OK, real question:  Do those idiots swap sides when the
    inner edge wears sufficiently?

    Well, you would need to swap the tyre on the rim first, for
    a start. And then, even if the tyre was swapped, it still
    wouldn't be legal as the tread requires a *minimum depth*
    right across the entire tread and any mileage done with a
    ridiculous camber like those I've seen will definitely wear
    the one shoulder right off. Camber angles like that defy logic.

    Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you
    as a poseur!  ;-)

    Just spelling it with a U marks you as a poser!

    Not on this side of the world it doesn't. That's
    the version in common
    use here, don't blame us for your need to simplify
    words.

    :-)  That would be the bottom side, then?  Aussies
    use FRENCH spelling?

    It went from the French, adopted by the English, then
    *transported* to
    Aus.

    PLEASE don't tell me you pronounce it with the accent
    on the second
    syllable...

    Ok, I won't tell you.

    I would have thought a poser is someone who poses for
    pictures and a
    poseur, with the stress on the second syllable, is
    someone who pretends
    to be what he's not.

    That's pretty much the way we see it on this side of the
    Pacific.

    You and I are on the same side of the Pacific;  poser and
    poseur are the same thing;  the 'posing for pictures'
    definition is in reality also the same thing.




    Some of our fellow citizens (OK, maybe merely people among
    us) have decidedly different 'logic':

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/video-captures-chaotic-scene-as-cars-drift-in-chicagos-west-loop/3235737/
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Wed Sep 27 22:30:05 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:19:57 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/24/23 1:20 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 5:22 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside >>> my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

    Looking for jailbait? <sigh>

    Don't just to bad conclusions. Of course not. I look mostly for 20-25
    y.o.

    Any girl that would be attracted to a stanced car, or any fancy car for
    that matter, is not the kind of girl I would want in my life.

    I can't drive well enough to take advantage of 150mph etc. capabilities,
    but I'm happy to associate with those who can if they'll let me ride
    with them!

    The most I've done is 110 and I'll never do that again. 1967, middle
    of southern michigan just after dawn.

    Purely cosmetic shit doesn't count unless it's a really fabulous paint
    job. They have truly spectacular colors now.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Sep 29 12:29:17 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 28/9/2023 12:30 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:19:57 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/24/23 1:20 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 5:22 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because
    I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them
    remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside >>>> my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

    Looking for jailbait? <sigh>

    Don't just to bad conclusions. Of course not. I look mostly for 20-25
    y.o.

    Any girl that would be attracted to a stanced car, or any fancy car for
    that matter, is not the kind of girl I would want in my life.

    I can't drive well enough to take advantage of 150mph etc. capabilities,
    but I'm happy to associate with those who can if they'll let me ride
    with them!

    The most I've done is 110 and I'll never do that again. 1967, middle
    of southern michigan just after dawn.

    I've done about the same but I wasn't worried about being chased by the
    cops. I was driving the police car. ;-)

    Purely cosmetic shit doesn't count unless it's a really fabulous paint
    job. They have truly spectacular colors now.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Xeno on Fri Sep 29 03:54:33 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:29:17 +1000, Xeno wrote:

    On 28/9/2023 12:30 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:19:57 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/24/23 1:20 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 5:22 pm, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:23:06 -0700, The Real Bev >>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/23/23 9:38 PM, Xeno wrote:
    On 24/9/2023 1:15 pm, Jim Joyce wrote:

    I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target >>>>>>>> market because I don't see any pros, only cons.

    I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

    I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them >>>>>> remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

    LOL

    I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park
    outside my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk >>>>> by.

    Looking for jailbait? <sigh>

    Don't just to bad conclusions. Of course not. I look mostly for 20-25
    y.o.

    Any girl that would be attracted to a stanced car, or any fancy car
    for that matter, is not the kind of girl I would want in my life.

    I can't drive well enough to take advantage of 150mph etc.
    capabilities,
    but I'm happy to associate with those who can if they'll let me ride
    with them!

    The most I've done is 110 and I'll never do that again. 1967, middle
    of southern michigan just after dawn.

    I've done about the same but I wasn't worried about being chased by the
    cops. I was driving the police car. ;-)

    When the Montana daytime speed limit was 'reasonable and prudent' many
    thought somewhere between 90 and 100 was reasonable. I can't say I was all
    that comfortable navigating a pack of soccer moms at 100. The Harley
    didn't have much left at that speed.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to xenolith@optusnet.com.au on Fri Sep 29 13:13:20 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:29:17 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


    The most I've done is 110 and I'll never do that again. 1967, middle
    of southern michigan just after dawn.

    I've done about the same but I wasn't worried about being chased by the
    cops. I was driving the police car. ;-)

    Don't let them catch you doing that.

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to micky on Sat Sep 30 13:02:14 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    On 30/9/2023 3:13 am, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:29:17 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


    The most I've done is 110 and I'll never do that again. 1967, middle
    of southern michigan just after dawn.

    I've done about the same but I wasn't worried about being chased by the
    cops. I was driving the police car. ;-)

    Don't let them catch you doing that.

    How could they? They had only one police car in the entire district -
    and I had it! I had been doing some work on it and was out on a road
    test. IIRC, I had it up to 190 kph.

    --
    Xeno


    Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
    (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Oct 27 00:53:40 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    Anyone with the word mighty in his name, and two non standard ASCII symbols, is a retarded poser.

    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:13:09 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    Are you like this in person too?

    In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:03:23 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
    ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/19/2023 12:55 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:26:46 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe >>> ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 3:42 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:20:52 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe >>>>> ? <@.> wrote:

    On 9/18/2023 5:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
    On 18/9/2023 1:27 pm, micky wrote:
    I saw today what I think was a Subaru BRZ. Very pretty car (for a >>>>>>>> sedan) but what made it unusual were the wheels. All 4 were splayed. >>>>>>>> Isn't that the word when the bottoms of the wheels are farther from >>>>>>>> center than the tops. I'm not talking about camber or caster or what >>>>>>>> ever. These wheels looked like the whole ccar had been dropped 20 feet
    and some of the parts holding the wheels in place had broken.

    The driver said they were supposed to be like this, but the pictures >>>>>>>> I've found on line have wheels like all the other cars.


    This is a joint development with Toyota that calls it the 86 when they >>>>>>>> sell/sold it.

    Okay, it is camber, negative camber.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+with+splayed+wheels


    Still this one was so extreme, and all 4 wheels.
    Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all >>>>>>> negative - no benefit.
    You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no >>>>>> knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

    All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.
    He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.
    Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on
    race cars.
    Well, sure. But the topic is still street cars


    Yes, the topic is street cars, but the people are using street cars to
    emulate the effect and look race cars. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    and insulting someone
    for discussing a different topic from what you want to change it to is
    more reprehensible than insulting someone who is misdiscussing the same
    topic you are discussing.
    The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to >>>>>> flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of >>>>>> gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on >>>>>> the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the >>>>>> centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface. >>>>>>
    For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically >>>>>> (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road >>>>>> contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the >>>>>> centrifugal force to flip the race car.

    For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the >>>>>> side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't >>>>>> take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side >>>>>> when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very >>>>>> difficult to push you over from the side.


    Stancing of that order is all about the look.
    You have a simple mind.

    Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker! >>>>>>>
    You are the utterly stupid wanker!
    Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to >>>>>>> zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear >>>>>>> too.

    That's not good for racing, simpleton.
    And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at >>>>> the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a >>>>> word about racing.

    Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a
    negative word to you or to us?
    You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those
    people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.
    Who said I can't figure it out? I already knew it.


    You behave like you can't figure it out. Are you stupid or something, or
    just plain stupid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2FEuZMhhiY


    And even if I
    didn't/couldn't, why are you so insulting? If you have indigestion,
    take a TUMS. Every time you act like this, you lose credibility even
    when you're behaving properly. Ask yourself why you call yourself a
    wannabe.

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