• Home DIY gasoline station

    From W. Green@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 16 07:33:24 2025
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    What else in terms of safety or functionality do I need to account for in designing this Amazon-sourced small-scale home DIY gasoline station?

    I had been refueling at home for five decades, usually using a simple lung-activated siphon action with a 1/2-inch ID 10-foot-long vinyl hose.

    For the past year, I've been refueling with this portable gasoline pump.
    <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DLDKHL7B/>
    But that portable gas pump is slow & it does not shut off automatically.

    I want to design a faster auto-shutoff home refueling system to go from a standard 5-gallon Sceptre portable gasoline container to the automobile
    gas tank outdoors (with plenty of ventilation & no flame sources nearby).

    I am aware of the dangers of static electricity which is the major concern.
    I am aware a metal can would be better grounded than the HDPE gasoline can.
    I am aware that slower flow rates are safer in terms of static buildup.
    The 2GPM flow rate of the gasoline pump is a major component in the system.
    I am aware gas cans must NEVER be placed on an insulated surface.
    I am aware that very low humidity is conducive to static charge buildup.
    The fueling process will never be left unattended.
    I am aware of the dangers inherent in storing 5-gallon gas containers.

    There will be no vapor recovery which isn't required for 5-gallon systems. Spill containment isn't required but a shallow metal pan is available.
    A Class B fire extinguisher is mounted near the fuel storage area.
    I have personal protection equipment (gloves, goggles, welding apron).
    Gray fuel-spill pads were obtained previously from the Costco gas station.

    All parts below are expressly advertised as designed for *gasoline* fuels.
    All equipment will be essentially on the ground (i.e., nothing elevated). However, 20 feet of stranded copper wire, 12-14 gauge is available.
    The hose will be aimed close to the bottom of the gas can to minimize. potential splashing and therefore accidental static generation.
    The 12VDC gasoline pump is attached to a 12VDC battery via clamps.
    If desired, a ground for the vehicle to a copper stake can be added.
    If desired, a stainless-steel nut will be used as the hose weight.

    If I order the following parts, do you think I'll have any major issues?

    5-gallon HDPE scepter gas can https://amazon.com/dp/B0BRT72MKT/>
    3/4-inch NPT Automatic Fuel Nozzle <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/>
    3/4-inch 360-degree fuel hose swivel <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/>
    1-inch gas flow meter w 3/4" adapter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/>
    12VDC 2GPM gasoline pump w clamps <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/>
    10-feet 3/4-inch black gasoline hose <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DCG951RV/>

    The initial order of operations (pending improvements) is:
    a. Connect a grounding wire from the pump to a ground on the vehicle
    b. Place full HDPE gas can on the ground & remove gasoline bung cap
    c. Insert the nozzle before starting the pump (to equalize static charge)
    d. Drop open gasoline hose (perhaps weighted) deeply into the gas can
    e. Press the gasoline pump on switch & determine proper gasoline flow
    f. Maintain nozzle continuous contact with the filler neck throughout
    g. Allow the nozzle to automatically shut off the flow when full
    h. Wait a few seconds for nozzle drips & static charge to dissipate
    i. Shut off the fuel pump on/off switch shortly thereafter
    j. Put everything away but always disconnect grounding wires last

    What else in terms of safety or functionality do I need to account for in designing this Amazon-sourced small-scale home DIY gasoline station?

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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to W. Green on Mon Jun 16 13:18:10 2025
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    W. Green wrote:
    What else in terms of safety or functionality do I need to account for in designing this Amazon-sourced small-scale home DIY gasoline station?

    I had been refueling at home for five decades, usually using a simple lung-activated siphon action with a 1/2-inch ID 10-foot-long vinyl hose.

    For the past year, I've been refueling with this portable gasoline pump.
    <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DLDKHL7B/>
    But that portable gas pump is slow & it does not shut off automatically.

    I want to design a faster auto-shutoff home refueling system to go from a standard 5-gallon Sceptre portable gasoline container to the automobile
    gas tank outdoors (with plenty of ventilation & no flame sources nearby).

    I am aware of the dangers of static electricity which is the major concern.
    I am aware a metal can would be better grounded than the HDPE gasoline can.
    I am aware that slower flow rates are safer in terms of static buildup.
    The 2GPM flow rate of the gasoline pump is a major component in the system.
    I am aware gas cans must NEVER be placed on an insulated surface.
    I am aware that very low humidity is conducive to static charge buildup.
    The fueling process will never be left unattended.
    I am aware of the dangers inherent in storing 5-gallon gas containers.

    There will be no vapor recovery which isn't required for 5-gallon systems. Spill containment isn't required but a shallow metal pan is available.
    A Class B fire extinguisher is mounted near the fuel storage area.
    I have personal protection equipment (gloves, goggles, welding apron).
    Gray fuel-spill pads were obtained previously from the Costco gas station.

    All parts below are expressly advertised as designed for *gasoline* fuels. All equipment will be essentially on the ground (i.e., nothing elevated). However, 20 feet of stranded copper wire, 12-14 gauge is available.
    The hose will be aimed close to the bottom of the gas can to minimize. potential splashing and therefore accidental static generation.
    The 12VDC gasoline pump is attached to a 12VDC battery via clamps.
    If desired, a ground for the vehicle to a copper stake can be added.
    If desired, a stainless-steel nut will be used as the hose weight.

    If I order the following parts, do you think I'll have any major issues?

    5-gallon HDPE scepter gas can https://amazon.com/dp/B0BRT72MKT/>
    3/4-inch NPT Automatic Fuel Nozzle <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/>
    3/4-inch 360-degree fuel hose swivel <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/>
    1-inch gas flow meter w 3/4" adapter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/>
    12VDC 2GPM gasoline pump w clamps <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/>
    10-feet 3/4-inch black gasoline hose <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DCG951RV/>

    The initial order of operations (pending improvements) is:
    a. Connect a grounding wire from the pump to a ground on the vehicle
    b. Place full HDPE gas can on the ground & remove gasoline bung cap
    c. Insert the nozzle before starting the pump (to equalize static charge)
    d. Drop open gasoline hose (perhaps weighted) deeply into the gas can
    e. Press the gasoline pump on switch & determine proper gasoline flow
    f. Maintain nozzle continuous contact with the filler neck throughout
    g. Allow the nozzle to automatically shut off the flow when full
    h. Wait a few seconds for nozzle drips & static charge to dissipate
    i. Shut off the fuel pump on/off switch shortly thereafter
    j. Put everything away but always disconnect grounding wires last

    What else in terms of safety or functionality do I need to account for in designing this Amazon-sourced small-scale home DIY gasoline station?

    You were very thorough. I am not familiar with the quality of the parts
    that you listed but they should work well for you.
    My only suggestion is to use Blue Gasoila thread paste instead of or on
    top of teflon tape. You can get it in a 6 oz. tube.

    I've been managing the design and install of industrial fuel systems for
    the last 20 years - ships, planes, trains, mining, etc. The parts we
    use look somewhat similar to yours but the cost is 5 to 10 times higher
    for industrial quality.
    Fuel system install pros usually do not use teflon tape - it leaks.

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  • From W. Green@21:1/5 to Paul in Houston TX on Tue Jun 17 03:33:19 2025
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    On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:18:10 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

    You were very thorough. I am not familiar with the quality of the parts
    that you listed but they should work well for you.

    I appreciate greatly that you have experience in fuel transfer stations!

    My only suggestion is to use Blue Gasoila thread paste instead of or on
    top of teflon tape. You can get it in a 6 oz. tube.

    Thank you for that idea, where I was wondering if "pipe dope" of some sort
    is used on threads where you want the entire system to be on the same
    ground.

    Looking up that stuff, some expressly say they're for gasoline applications https://www.amazon.com/Gasoila-Soft-Set-Thread-Sealant-Degree/dp/B00207KC5E/

    I've been managing the design and install of industrial fuel systems for
    the last 20 years - ships, planes, trains, mining, etc. The parts we
    use look somewhat similar to yours but the cost is 5 to 10 times higher
    for industrial quality.

    Granger has the parts, and I agree. The price is enormously more expensive. However, I have a wife & 3 kids, two have cars, so that's only 4 cars to
    fuel up weekly. I drive the pickup to Costco and get twenty five-gallon
    jugs, which lasts about a month. Then I take another trip to Costco.

    What I like about the Home DIY gas station I'm building is that it can be extended to a 55-gallon epoxy-lined drum, if I can get one on the cheap. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Steel-Closed-Transport-Drum-Each/dp/B08V8GH9M8/

    The problem with steel is it rusts.
    The problem with plastic is static.

    That's why I haven't gotten the drum yet.

    Fuel system install pros usually do not use teflon tape - it leaks.

    I'll add to my list a gasoline approved tape/paste for the fittings.
    Thanks!

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  • From Enrico Papaloma@21:1/5 to W. Green on Tue Jun 17 05:17:00 2025
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    On 6/16/2025 8:33 AM, W. Green wrote:
    If I order the following parts, do you think I'll have any major issues?

    5-gallon HDPE scepter gas can https://amazon.com/dp/B0BRT72MKT/>
    3/4-inch NPT Automatic Fuel Nozzle <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/>
    3/4-inch 360-degree fuel hose swivel <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/>
    1-inch gas flow meter w 3/4" adapter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/>
    12VDC 2GPM gasoline pump w clamps <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/>
    10-feet 3/4-inch black gasoline hose <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DCG951RV/>

    Ignoring the cost of the gasoline cans & any potential savings in bulk purchases of gas (not in price but in transportation costs you'd otherwise incur & in convenience) here's what a home diy gas station will cost you.

    $30 auto-shutoff fuel nozzle https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/
    $18 3/4" two 360 degree hose swivels https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/
    $30 flow meter (with 3/4" adapter) https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/
    $40 12V 75W 2GPM fuel transfer pump https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/
    $57 10' 3/4" conductive gas hose https://amazon.com/dp/B0DCG951RV/

    I noticed that particular fuel hose comes with the swivel so the cost is
    $30 + $30 + $40 + $57 = $157 (round that to $175 to include sales taxes)

    Where are you going to save that $175 to make up for the NRE costs?

    Calculating reduced trips to the gas station (Transportation Costs):
    If a round trip costs $2 in gas and 1 hour of your time
    (valued at, say, $20/hour), each trip avoided saves you $22.
    You'd need to avoid about 8 trips ($175 / $22) to break even.
    Assuming each of those 8 trips represents filling approximately
    20 gallons, that's a 160-gallon break-even point.

    However, if you fill up whenever you happen to be near a gas station, then
    you save less in transportation costs, and mostly in sheer convenience.

    There's also the value of never running out of gas and, in these times, in stocking up on gasoline before Iran gets bombed to smithereens causing oil prices to skyrocket from about $75 a barrel to $100 a barrel or whatever.

    My suggestion is to find some kind of fuel drum that you can dump the
    5-gallon cans into so that you can stockpile about 100 gallons at a time
    (half in about 10 gas cans and the other half in the one fuel drum).

    Most people who don't understand gasoline would tell you to worry about degradation but it takes many months for that to happen (which you
    ameliorate by storing the fuel in a shaded protected area), and even then,
    a vehicle is almost immune to gasoline deterioration despite what the
    makers of all sorts of stabilizer concoctions would have you believe,
    although small engines are far more sensitive.

    Starting at 100 gallons, at an average of 15 gallons per fill up, that's
    only 6 fill ups before you need to run out and get more fuel, where four
    cars can run though that in just a month so the gas won't sit for long.

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  • From W. Green@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Tue Jun 17 17:28:16 2025
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    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 05:17:00 +0200, Enrico Papaloma wrote:

    Starting at 100 gallons, at an average of 15 gallons per fill up, that's
    only 6 fill ups before you need to run out and get more fuel, where four
    cars can run though that in just a month so the gas won't sit for long.

    The main reason to build a DIY gas station is the sheer convenience of it.
    Even the wife & kids can easily refuel their own cars in the driveway now.

    This frees me of the task where all I have to do is go to Costco once a
    month with 10 empty jugs and that fuels all the cars for the next month.

    The main question was how many of you have made your own gas station?
    That's why I loved the most the helpful advice from Paul in Houston.

    He knows what he's doing because he's done it.
    Which is the best kind of person to get advice from.

    Has anyone else on this group made their own DIY home gas station?
    What did you learn from your efforts that I can benefit from knowing?

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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to W. Green on Tue Jun 17 17:33:54 2025
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    W. Green wrote:

    What I like about the Home DIY gas station I'm building is that it can be extended to a 55-gallon epoxy-lined drum, if I can get one on the cheap. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Steel-Closed-Transport-Drum-Each/dp/B08V8GH9M8/

    The problem with steel is it rusts.
    The problem with plastic is static.

    You can see the fuel level with a poly tank. Not so with steel.
    You're right about rust. The tanks will need to breathe and each inhale
    due to temp changes or pumping fuel will add moisture to the inside.
    Gas with alcohol (E10 to E85) contains water. The E fuel can absorb
    some water vapor but once it reaches the max then it will drop out as
    water. The only way to stop internal rust on a steel tank is with
    lining (epoxy, etc). You can paint the outsides of a drum. Keep it off
    the ground. E fuel also attracts algae that grows at the fuel water
    interface and on the inside tank walls above the fuel level where there
    is moisture. This is a very big issue with petroleum based fuels.
    Algae lives in the water and eats petroleum. Many commercial and
    industrial fuel stations have their tanks cleaned every year or two.
    Tank cleaning is expensive... 4 to 5 digits.

    I suggest adding a small fuel filter assembly at the pump outlet.
    10 micron hydrosorb will keep the dirt, water, and algae out of your
    vehicles. Keep a spare filter handy.

    Check out JME for parts and costs: (example for filters): https://www.jmesales.com/shop/?search_query=3%2F4%22+gas+filter&fallbackQuery=3%2F4%22+gas+filter

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 17 18:25:43 2025
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    In article <102s530$4kht$1@news.samoylyk.net>, wgreen@notreal.net
    says...

    Starting at 100 gallons, at an average of 15 gallons per fill up, that's only 6 fill ups before you need to run out and get more fuel, where four cars can run though that in just a month so the gas won't sit for long.

    The main reason to build a DIY gas station is the sheer convenience of it. Even the wife & kids can easily refuel their own cars in the driveway now.

    This frees me of the task where all I have to do is go to Costco once a
    month with 10 empty jugs and that fuels all the cars for the next month.

    The main question was how many of you have made your own gas station?
    That's why I loved the most the helpful advice from Paul in Houston.

    He knows what he's doing because he's done it.
    Which is the best kind of person to get advice from.

    Has anyone else on this group made their own DIY home gas station?
    What did you learn from your efforts that I can benefit from knowing?



    I uess that it depends on where you are at. I pass several gas stations
    every time I leave the house. No prolem to just stop at one of them.

    I do have 4 of the 5 gallon cans and a few one gallon cans. I fill them
    up with the ethanol free fuel for the lawn equipment and to have on hand
    for the 5 kw generator that I seldom need. The one gallon ones get oil
    for the 2 cycle engines in them. If I run out I can always use some of
    the 5 gallon can gas. Usually only fill 2 of the 5 gallon and one of
    the one gallon cans up every month or two during the mowing season.

    If I lived far away from a station I might store a much larger amount.
    Cosco is about 40 miles away from me and not worth my time and membeship
    money, same as Sam's Club.

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  • From Jim Joyce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 17 20:53:50 2025
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    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:25:43 -0400, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net>
    wrote:

    In article <102s530$4kht$1@news.samoylyk.net>, wgreen@notreal.net
    says...

    Has anyone else on this group made their own DIY home gas station?
    What did you learn from your efforts that I can benefit from knowing?

    I uess that it depends on where you are at. I pass several gas stations >every time I leave the house. No prolem to just stop at one of them.

    I do have 4 of the 5 gallon cans and a few one gallon cans. I fill them
    up with the ethanol free fuel for the lawn equipment and to have on hand
    for the 5 kw generator that I seldom need. The one gallon ones get oil
    for the 2 cycle engines in them. If I run out I can always use some of
    the 5 gallon can gas. Usually only fill 2 of the 5 gallon and one of
    the one gallon cans up every month or two during the mowing season.

    If I lived far away from a station I might store a much larger amount.
    Cosco is about 40 miles away from me and not worth my time and membeship >money, same as Sam's Club.

    Up in the northern plains where I grew up, every farmer had a pair of
    300-gal, 600-gal, or 1000-gal tanks to hold gasoline and diesel. Without exception, the tanks would be mounted on a stand so that gravity would
    take care of the delivery.

    The last couple of times that I've been back, the farms are mostly gone.
    The land is still being farmed, but the small mom and pop farmers have apparently died or moved on.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Jim Joyce on Wed Jun 18 06:58:34 2025
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    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 20:53:50 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote:

    The last couple of times that I've been back, the farms are mostly gone.
    The land is still being farmed, but the small mom and pop farmers have apparently died or moved on.

    As Earl Butz said "Get big or get out." That's been the USDA mantra since
    his era. The reasoning behind it is cheap (relatively) food. Hungry people
    tend to get pissed off. Keep them fat, literally, dumb, and happy.

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  • From Ivano Rossi@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu Jun 19 04:26:37 2025
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    On 18 Jun 2025 06:58:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    The last couple of times that I've been back, the farms are mostly gone.
    The land is still being farmed, but the small mom and pop farmers have
    apparently died or moved on.

    As Earl Butz said "Get big or get out." That's been the USDA mantra since
    his era. The reasoning behind it is cheap (relatively) food. Hungry people tend to get pissed off. Keep them fat, literally, dumb, and happy.

    How does the gasoline get to the tank?
    Fuel trucks?

    Is the delivery fee for 50 or 100 gallons prohibitive?
    Are the prices competitive for the gasoline per gallon?

    How does that delivery stuff work?

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 00:24:53 2025
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    In article <102vsgt$3kkvk$1@dont-email.me>, Ivano.Rossi@nospam.tin.it
    says...

    How does the gasoline get to the tank?
    Fuel trucks?

    Is the delivery fee for 50 or 100 gallons prohibitive?
    Are the prices competitive for the gasoline per gallon?

    How does that delivery stuff work?



    There is no road tax on the fuel used for farms in those tanks. It is
    for 'off road' usage.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Ivano Rossi on Thu Jun 19 07:59:04 2025
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    On 6/18/2025 9:26 PM, Ivano Rossi wrote:
    On 18 Jun 2025 06:58:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    The last couple of times that I've been back, the farms are mostly gone. >>> The land is still being farmed, but the small mom and pop farmers have
    apparently died or moved on.

    As Earl Butz said "Get big or get out." That's been the USDA mantra since
    his era. The reasoning behind it is cheap (relatively) food. Hungry people >> tend to get pissed off. Keep them fat, literally, dumb, and happy.

    How does the gasoline get to the tank?
    Fuel trucks?

    Is the delivery fee for 50 or 100 gallons prohibitive?
    Are the prices competitive for the gasoline per gallon?

    How does that delivery stuff work?

    The same local fuel distributors who fill service stations
    and convenience stores deliver to those farm tanks.

    I have a retired truck driver customer who works a few weeks
    per year during planting and harvest, driving a large tanker
    of diesel out to the edge of fields to refuel heavy farm
    equipment. Large farming operations need that and have
    multiple crews for very long work days. Butz was right.

    Same procedure for other industries: https://www.southvillepetroleum.com/wp-content/themes/southville/images/banner-diesel-fuel.jpg

    --
    Andrew Muzi
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    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From W. Green@21:1/5 to Paul in Houston TX on Sat Jun 21 04:31:20 2025
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    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:33:54 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Check out JME for parts and costs: (example for filters): https://www.jmesales.com/shop/?search_query=3%2F4%22+gas+filter&fallbackQuery=3%2F4%22+gas+filter

    I appreciate that you have experience in fuel transfer system setups.

    So far I have everything received except I haven't ordered the fuel filter
    or the fuel transfer hose but everything else is already bought & got.

    The problem I'm having with fuel filters is they all seem to be Army/Navy 6 sizes, like this male AN6 fuel filter is. https://amazon.com/dp/B0DWFDF7VK/

    I can get an AN6 to NPT fitting but they all seem to go to 3/8-inch NPT. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F47FFY13
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHXVW4F5

    I was thinking about a 3/4-inch NPT fuel transfer hose because the
    auto-shutoff nozzle is 3/4-inch NPT but maybe I'll go for 3/8-inch fuel transfer hose (if they make it) and just downsize from 3/8-inch to 3/4-inch
    at the fuel nozzle.

    So what do you think of this equipment list (given I already received much
    of the parts below but not yet the fuel filter & fuel transfer hose).
    3/4-inch NPT Automatic Fuel Nozzle <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/>
    3/4-inch 360-degree fuel hose swivel <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/>
    1-inch gas flow meter w 3/4" adapter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/>
    12VDC 2GPM gasoline pump w clamps <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/>

    I'm thinking about getting these parts to add the fuel filter & swivel.
    6AN 30 micron Inline Fuel Filter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F48286LB/>
    6AN female swivel to 3/8-inch male NPT <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F48286LB/>

    Is 30 micron enough? I suspect the fuel is pretty clean since it comes
    right out of the gas pump and it goes into a red plastic gasoline jug.

    Then I probably want a 3/8-18 NPT ten or fifteen foot fuel hose.

    I can find a lot of bare-end 3/8-inch fuel hose but it's really hard to
    find anything smaller than 3/4-inch fuel transfer hose that has fittings.

    DO you think vinyl would allow too much static to build up?
    I've been using 10 foot 1/2-inch vinyl hose for decades with siphons.

    The advantage of vinyl would be it would be see through.
    But the disadvantage might be that it's not conductive.

    What do you think?

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  • From Arthur Conan Doyle@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 21 07:39:07 2025
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    I haven't read every message in this thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned already, you may wish to check with your insurance company to see if they have any policy restrictions on keeping larger quantities of flammable liquids on premises.

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  • From W. Green@21:1/5 to Arthur Conan Doyle on Sat Jun 21 17:14:03 2025
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    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 07:39:07 -0500, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:

    I haven't read every message in this thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned already, you may wish to check with your insurance company to see if they have
    any policy restrictions on keeping larger quantities of flammable liquids on premises.

    Thank you for bringing up that point about potential insurance issues.

    My fire insurance is a large combined collective for high fire danger
    areas, where the insurance company defers to existing laws in all cases.

    If it's ok with the county fire marshal, it's ok with them.

    And the fire marshal visually inspects every year every home in the area
    (as part of the collective fire insurance laws) and therefore sees all.

    I have about ten gasoline jugs on a hilltop over the driveway (so I can
    drive below them to siphon into vehicles) which I don't hide from anyone.

    The fire marshal often leaves a fix-it ticket for me, but so far it's for cleaning brush, although once they asked me to remove the tarp over the
    fire cans as they said that concentrates any potential leaking vapors.

    Whenever they leave a fixit ticket, they come back within 60 days and if
    you haven't fixed the problem, they have the power to punish with a fine.

    As long as the gasoline is in approved containers, and as long as you're
    not transporting more than 600 pounds (yes, pounds), it's legal here.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul in Houston TX@21:1/5 to W. Green on Sat Jun 21 15:06:16 2025
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    W. Green wrote:

    The problem I'm having with fuel filters is they all seem to be Army/Navy 6 sizes, like this male AN6 fuel filter is. https://amazon.com/dp/B0DWFDF7VK/

    If you are sure the fuel is clean and it won't sit for long then skip
    the filter.

    I can get an AN6 to NPT fitting but they all seem to go to 3/8-inch NPT. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F47FFY13
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHXVW4F5

    I was thinking about a 3/4-inch NPT fuel transfer hose because the auto-shutoff nozzle is 3/4-inch NPT but maybe I'll go for 3/8-inch fuel transfer hose (if they make it) and just downsize from 3/8-inch to 3/4-inch at the fuel nozzle.

    The ~120 GPH spec pump is made in China. Realistically I would expect
    way less than 60 GPH at the nozzle. There are no real specs listed on
    the ad blurb. No pressure data. The pump weighs 0.6 kg, about 1 pound,
    so don't expect too much.
    3/8" or 1/2" hose would work for your system.

    So what do you think of this equipment list (given I already received much
    of the parts below but not yet the fuel filter & fuel transfer hose). 3/4-inch NPT Automatic Fuel Nozzle <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DZCM1HYH/>

    The nozzle looks good.

    3/4-inch 360-degree fuel hose swivel <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F26DTBVC/>

    The swivel fits the nozzle. 3/4 noz = 3/4 swivel. Real fuel hose tends
    to be stiff. Get the real swivel if using real fuel hose. Vinyl hose
    will not be strong enough to spin the swivel and you fuelers will need
    to undo the kinks manually anyways.

    1-inch gas flow meter w 3/4" adapter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F334N1JR/>

    A flow meter is not needed unless you are tracking fuel usage. Each
    vehicle will need to keep a written log. The meter could be used for
    totalized fuel flow but the users will need to be careful not to
    accidentally reset it. The meter battery will go dead in a few years or
    the meter will get damaged or get water into it. They don't last long. Personally, I would not bother installing one.

    12VDC 2GPM gasoline pump w clamps <https://amazon.com/dp/B0DFCRH64R/>

    The pump photo appears to show GHT thread on the pump and GHT to barb
    adapters. You will need to use GHT to NPT adapters for real fuel hose.
    I'm thinking about getting these parts to add the fuel filter & swivel.
    6AN 30 micron Inline Fuel Filter <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F48286LB/>
    6AN female swivel to 3/8-inch male NPT <https://amazon.com/dp/B0F48286LB/>

    Don't bother with the above.

    Is 30 micron enough? I suspect the fuel is pretty clean since it comes
    right out of the gas pump and it goes into a red plastic gasoline jug.

    Then I probably want a 3/8-18 NPT ten or fifteen foot fuel hose.

    I can find a lot of bare-end 3/8-inch fuel hose but it's really hard to
    find anything smaller than 3/4-inch fuel transfer hose that has fittings.

    DO you think vinyl would allow too much static to build up?
    I've been using 10 foot 1/2-inch vinyl hose for decades with siphons.

    The advantage of vinyl would be it would be see through.
    But the disadvantage might be that it's not conductive.

    What do you think?

    Except for the nozzle and swivel the entire system is plastic and non-conductive.
    The nozzle will be grounded to the vehicle during use.
    The flow rate MAY be too small to generate much static.
    You could get wire reinforced fuel 3/8" hose if worried about static and
    ground it at the pump end.

    Speaking of siphon... Keep the nozzle above the fuel level when not in
    use. If it is below the fuel level and the nozzle leaks then the entire container will siphon out onto the ground (assumes no ball valves in the
    system and the pump does not have a built in anti-siphon valve).
    All nozzles will eventually leak.

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