https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that
a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
On 02/10/2022 01:01 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 10/2/2022 12:59 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted >>> by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the >>>> old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them. >>>
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that
a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I >>> really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here. The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was
just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
Get to the side, turn off the key, breathe deeply a few times, restart
and everything is normal. It first happened 3 times in 90 miles, but
mostly only once/day thereafter.
On 10/2/2022 12:59 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that
a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I
really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even available
from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
On 2/9/2022 20:59, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that a
certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even available
from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Luxury car makers seemed to start this non-serviceable mess earlier.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I
really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
Why is it illegal to salvage parts from a scrap yard? Yards/wreckers
near us sell parts until the car is picked clean before it is crushed.
Used tires and all.
On 2/9/2022 20:59, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the
old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick
with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that a
certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even available
from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Luxury car makers seemed to start this non-serviceable mess earlier.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I
really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
Why is it illegal to salvage parts from a scrap yard? Yards/wreckers
near us sell parts until the car is picked clean before it is crushed.
Used tires and all.
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique cars on the
road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up even before
the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone. I could have
got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate Kalifornia.
A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here.
The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was
just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring >serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
On 02/10/2022 08:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/10/2022 01:01 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 10/2/2022 12:59 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the >>>>> old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick >>>>> with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding
them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech
trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to >>>> keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that >>>> a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The >>>> only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and
tires. I
really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some >>>> of the brand new stuff.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here. The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was
just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring
serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
  Get to the side, turn off the key, breathe deeply a few times, restart >> and everything is normal. It first happened 3 times in 90 miles, but
mostly only once/day thereafter.
OK, Idle Air Control valve. What I read said that its failure caused stalling, not maximum acceleration.
On 02/10/2022 01:01 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 10/2/2022 12:59 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the >>>> old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick >>>> with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding
them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech trusted >>> by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to
keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that >>> a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The
only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and tires. I >>> really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some
of the brand new stuff.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here. The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was
just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
 Get to the side, turn off the key, breathe deeply a few times, restart
and everything is normal. It first happened 3 times in 90 miles, but
mostly only once/day thereafter.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here.
It's what people did after automatic chokes, but before fully controlled injection systems.
The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was >>just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring >>serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
A -modern- car has a computer that logs everything, and so you could actually see what was going in and coming out during the incident, after the fact.
An -old- car has a mechanically operated throttle so you could physically inspect the throttle mechanism and cable and see possible failures.
The problem is that THIS is a car that is in-between the -modern- and -old- eras. It has a computer system, but not a very good one, and not one with proper diagnostic interfaces. It's in a gap.
On 11/2/2022 4:02 am, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/10/2022 08:59 AM, The Real Bev wrote:Failure closed - stalling, yes. Failure wide open and the car can get up
On 02/10/2022 01:01 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 10/2/2022 12:59 pm, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/08/2022 09:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:A faulty IAC has been known to do that.
https://www.wired.com/story/fight-right-repair-cars-turns-ugly/
***This is for the folks here who thing the new cars are just like the >>>>>> old ones, and maybe even easier to work on... *nope* ... they are
designing them to not be user-serviceable, mark my words. I'll stick >>>>>> with my 90's and older vehicles, thanks -- I'll just keep hoarding >>>>>> them.
My inherited 88 Caddy was also not pro-serviceable. The GM mech
trusted
by my friend and his friend who built cars from scratch, was unable to >>>>> keep the POS from accelerating all by itself. Ultimately he found that >>>>> a certain part was not only unavailable from GM, it wasn't even
available from wrecking yards -- IF that would have fixed it.
Its bad behavior evolved, but it never stopped trying to kill me. The >>>>> only reason I wasn't happy to see it crushed (Thanks, State of
Kalifornia) was that I'd just given it a new braking system and
tires. I
really hope the wrecker was able to (illegally, of course) salvage some >>>>> of the brand new stuff.
I'm pretty sure you don't mean Infrastructure As Code here. The guy
opined that there might be instantaneous computer problems that would
allow the thing to reset itself in pedal-to-the-metal mode, but that was >>> just a guess. The only symptom was sudden total acceleration requiring
serious hard braking to stop. I don't think my mom could have done it.
Get to the side, turn off the key, breathe deeply a few times, restart >>> and everything is normal. It first happened 3 times in 90 miles, but
mostly only once/day thereafter.
OK, Idle Air Control valve. What I read said that its failure caused
stalling, not maximum acceleration.
to 40mph+ just on that IAC alone.
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique
cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up
even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone.
I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I
got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't used in
any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I
would be shit out of luck.
On 2/10/2022 17:46, Linird Skinird wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique
cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up
even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone.
I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I
got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't used in
any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I
would be shit out of luck.
There are many reasons that I'm glad that I don't live in California,
and now I can add another to my list.
On 2/12/2022 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/10/2022 17:46, Linird Skinird wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique
cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up >>>> even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone.
I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I
got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't used in
any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I
would be shit out of luck.
There are many reasons that I'm glad that I don't live in California,
and now I can add another to my list.
There are a lot of places in California that I'd like to see, but I
won't cross that border under the current conditions in that state.
On 02/12/2022 07:37 PM, Ken Olson wrote:
On 2/12/2022 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/10/2022 17:46, Linird Skinird wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique >>>>> cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up >>>>> even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone. >>>>> I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I >>>>> got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't used in >>>> any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I
would be shit out of luck.
There are many reasons that I'm glad that I don't live in California,
and now I can add another to my list.
There are a lot of places in California that I'd like to see, but I
won't cross that border under the current conditions in that state.
Everybody should see Death Valley, Yosemite and Sequoia/King's Canyon. Optional: Vasquez Rocks because you've seen it in so many movies. Aside
from those, the 4-corners states are way better.
OTOH, hardly anybody freezes to death if they sleep outside in winter in
Los Angeles and we have the numbers to prove it!
On 2/13/2022 14:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/12/2022 07:37 PM, Ken Olson wrote:
On 2/12/2022 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/10/2022 17:46, Linird Skinird wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique >>>>>> cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up >>>>>> even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone. >>>>>> I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I >>>>>> got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't
used in
any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I >>>>> would be shit out of luck.
There are many reasons that I'm glad that I don't live in California,
and now I can add another to my list.
There are a lot of places in California that I'd like to see, but I
won't cross that border under the current conditions in that state.
I'll gladly travel there. I plan, at some point in the relative near future, to drive across country and back. It will probably take me a
month to be satisfied seeing enough. I'll likely never go back, but I'd love to see San Francisco, and many other areas. That being said, I certainly never want to live there.
Everybody should see Death Valley, Yosemite and Sequoia/King's Canyon.
Optional: Vasquez Rocks because you've seen it in so many movies. Aside
from those, the 4-corners states are way better.
OTOH, hardly anybody freezes to death if they sleep outside in winter in
Los Angeles and we have the numbers to prove it!
On 2/13/2022 14:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/12/2022 07:37 PM, Ken Olson wrote:
On 2/12/2022 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/10/2022 17:46, Linird Skinird wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
I really hate the concept. I don't like waste. I believe in
recycling, re-use etc. I hate that it's hard to find old not-antique >>>>>> cars on the road any more. I think it drove the price of used cars up >>>>>> even before the recent Troubles -- all the really old ones are gone. >>>>>> I could have got $250 for the Caddy if I'd driven it to a wrecker. I >>>>>> got $1K for destroying it. Stupid to do the right thing. I hate
Kalifornia.
Indeed. I have a car with a fuel pressure regulator that wasn't used in >>>>> any other car, so out of stock for years. If I were in California, I >>>>> would be shit out of luck.
There are many reasons that I'm glad that I don't live in California,
and now I can add another to my list.
There are a lot of places in California that I'd like to see, but I
won't cross that border under the current conditions in that state.
I'll gladly travel there. I plan, at some point in the relative near
future, to drive across country and back. It will probably take me a
month to be satisfied seeing enough. I'll likely never go back, but I'd
love to see San Francisco, and many other areas. That being said, I certainly never want to live there.
Everybody should see Death Valley, Yosemite and Sequoia/King's Canyon.
Optional: Vasquez Rocks because you've seen it in so many movies. Aside
from those, the 4-corners states are way better.
OTOH, hardly anybody freezes to death if they sleep outside in winter in
Los Angeles and we have the numbers to prove it!
On 02/13/2022 05:03 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/13/2022 14:19, The Real Bev wrote:
On 02/12/2022 07:37 PM, Ken Olson wrote:
There are a lot of places in California that I'd like to see, but I
won't cross that border under the current conditions in that state.
All things considered, if you exclude governments it's a pretty good
place. The air is nowhere as thick and poisonous as it used to be, honest.
I'll gladly travel there. I plan, at some point in the relative near
future, to drive across country and back. It will probably take me a
month to be satisfied seeing enough. I'll likely never go back, but I'd
love to see San Francisco, and many other areas. That being said, I
certainly never want to live there.
The best things in San Francisco are the Exploratorium and the Sutro
ruins, if you can still walk around in them. I don't think they let
tourists drive down Lombard Street, but in took my leg a couple of days
to recover from the trip down in the 1968 Dodge Tradesman van. The rest
of it is tourist crap and homeless junkies. And Muir Woods, of course.
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