• The pattern continues...

    From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 15:25:19 2023
    https://www.espn.com/racing/raceresults?raceId=202303120023&series=sprint

    Next weekend, it'll be the #5 or 48.

    Enjoy Nascar's HENDRICK CUP series!!

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 22:17:36 2023
    On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:25:22 PM UTC-7, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:
    https://www.espn.com/racing/raceresults?raceId=202303120023&series=sprint

    Next weekend, it'll be the #5 or 48.

    Enjoy Nascar's HENDRICK CUP series!!

    Maybe not. 100 points, 100 owner points, $100,000, crew chiefs banned four races, illegal roof modification.

    Mike

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 09:25:25 2023
    On 3/14/23 15:25, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:
    https://www.espn.com/racing/raceresults?raceId=202303120023&series=sprint

    Next weekend, it'll be the #5 or 48.

    Enjoy Nascar's HENDRICK CUP series!!

    for another point of view: https://racer.com/2023/03/17/knaus-explains-hendrick-position-on-hood-louver-dispute/

    Knaus explains Hendrick position on hood louver dispute Rusty Jarrett/Motorsport Images

    By Kelly Crandall | March 17, 2023 5:44 PM ET

    Chad Knaus was adamant Friday at Atlanta Motor Speedway that teams are
    not being given single-sourced supplied parts with correct
    specifications and Hendrick Motorsports only made the modifications to
    the hood louvers that resulted in penalties for the team in order to
    make them fit.

    “We made sure our parts fit the hood, and the hood closed and did all
    the stuff that it needed to do,” said Knaus, Hendrick Motorsports’ vice president of competition (pictured at left, above, with team owner Rick Hendrick).

    NASCAR confiscated the hood louvers from all four cars the Friday of
    Phoenix weekend. Although issues were found beforehand, all four teams
    were allowed to participate in practice before the louvers were taken.

    The teams were penalized earlier this week. In addition to $100,000
    fines to all four crew chiefs and suspensions, the Nos. 5, 24, and 48
    teams were docked 100 driver points, and all four teams were docked 100
    owner points. There was also the loss of 10 playoff points.

    “When we started to get parts at the beginning of the 2023 season, we didn’t have the parts we thought we were going to have,” Knaus said. “Through a tremendous amount of back and forth with NASCAR and the OEM
    and the teams, there’s been conversations about whether we can clean up
    the parts, not clean up the parts and it’s changed, quite honestly,
    every couple of weeks. So, it’s been challenging for us to navigate, and we’re going to have to see what happens when we get through the appeal.”

    MORE NASCAR!
    SHR reveals Harvick throwback livery for North Wilkesboro
    Hendrick to appeal hood louver penalties
    Hamlin fined over run-in with Chastain

    Hendrick Motorsports did not request a deferral of the suspensions, and
    all four crew chiefs are not at the track this weekend. Without an
    appeal date, no decision has been made on whether the organization will continue to have Cliff Daniels, Alan Gustafson, Rudy Fugle, and Blake
    Harris serve those suspensions going forward.

    In a statement issued after the penalty, Hendrick Motorsports said the
    louvers were taken four hours after the inspection without prior
    communication.

    “It’s really confusing,” said Knaus. “We knew that there was some attention to the area when we first went through technical inspection,
    and that’s what’s really disappointing to me, quite honestly. We had
    plenty of time to get those parts off the part if we felt like there was something wrong. I can assure you if we knew there was going to be a
    four-hour lag and we thought there was something wrong, they would have
    been in a trash can being burned with fuel somewhere where nobody would
    ever see them. We had no idea we’d been sitting in this position. So,
    once again, really disappointing we are in the position we’re in right now.”

    NASCAR expects cars to be legal when they show up at the racetrack.
    However, Knaus said for a voluntary inspection, he doesn’t understand
    the severity of a penalty seen post-race, such as with RFK Racing and
    Front Row Motorsports last year.

    “Again, from my perspective, I think it’s different,” Knaus said. “A voluntary inspection, I don’t understand why you’d be hung and quartered for a voluntary inspection that typically you’d be told, ‘Hey, you need
    to go work on that,’ or, ‘Hey, we need to discuss what’s going on here.’”

    Elton Sawyer, NASCAR senior vice president of competition, said
    officials work with the teams to ensure parts and pieces fit correctly. However, Sawyer said the louvers from Hendrick Motorsports were modified
    beyond that level.

    Even with all the back and forth, the Hendrick Motorsports statement
    said there had been inconsistent and unclear communication from NASCAR.

    “We submitted a part through the OEM to NASCAR and NASCAR chose a single-source provider for those components,” Knaus said. “The
    components haven’t been coming the way we expected them to be for a
    couple of the OEMs, as far as I know, in the garage, and definitely all
    of the Chevrolet teams.

    “We started to have a dialogue with them in early February about those problems. So, it was us through our aerodynamic departments, through our
    OEM, back through NASCAR, back to us and back through our OEMs. So,
    there is a significant amount of communication that’s been had and it’s definitely confusing. The timelines are curious, but they’re there.”

    Asked if he thought the parts were faulty or if they modified the parts
    to be acceptable by NASCAR’s standards, Knaus said, “I can tell you
    this, we’ve got a brand-new set of these parts that we can go pull off
    the shelf right now that NASCAR deemed illegal and inappropriate to race.”

    Knaus denied Hendrick Motorsports learned something from the Garage 56
    program to apply to its Cup Series cars. With a different engine and
    cooling package, Knaus said nothing translates.

    Alex Bowman dropped from the point lead to 23rd in the standings with
    negative playoff 10 playoff points. William Byron dropped to 29th and
    has three playoff points, losing the 10 from his Las Vegas and Phoenix
    Raceway wins. Kyle Larson is 32nd in the standings with negative nine
    playoff points.

    Knaus said every part of the penalty is harsh.

    “I think it’s a terrible situation not only for us but the industry, to
    be quite honest with you. I think that’s what I dislike the most. It’s ugly. We shouldn’t be in this situation and it’s really unfortunate we
    are because it doesn’t help anybody.

    “We as a company and we in the garage, every one of these teams here are being held accountable to put their car out there to go through
    inspection and perform at the level they need to. The teams are being
    held accountable for doing that. Nobody is holding the single-source
    suppliers accountable at the level they need to be to give us the parts
    that we need. Now that goes through NASCAR’s distribution center and NASCAR’s approval process to get those parts, and we’re not getting the right parts.”

    Chad Knaus, Hendrick Motorsports, Hood Louvers, Cup Series, NASCAR


    Kelly CrandallKelly Crandall
    Kelly has been on the NASCAR beat full-time since 2013, and joined RACER
    as chief NASCAR writer in 2017. Her work has also appeared in
    NASCAR.com, the NASCAR Illustrated magazine, and NBC Sports. A corporate communications graduate from Central Penn College, Crandall is a
    two-time George Cunningham Writer of the Year recipient from the
    National Motorsports Press Association.

    MORE …

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 19 15:30:41 2023
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:25:28 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
    On 3/14/23 15:25, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:
    https://www.espn.com/racing/raceresults?raceId=202303120023&series=sprint

    Next weekend, it'll be the #5 or 48.

    Enjoy Nascar's HENDRICK CUP series!!
    for another point of view: https://racer.com/2023/03/17/knaus-explains-hendrick-position-on-hood-louver-dispute/

    Knaus explains Hendrick position on hood louver dispute Rusty Jarrett/Motorsport Images

    By Kelly Crandall | March 17, 2023 5:44 PM ET

    Chad Knaus was adamant Friday at Atlanta Motor Speedway that teams are
    not being given single-sourced supplied parts with correct
    specifications and Hendrick Motorsports only made the modifications to
    the hood louvers that resulted in penalties for the team in order to
    make them fit.

    “We made sure our parts fit the hood, and the hood closed and did all
    the stuff that it needed to do,” said Knaus, Hendrick Motorsports’ vice president of competition (pictured at left, above, with team owner Rick Hendrick).

    NASCAR confiscated the hood louvers from all four cars the Friday of
    Phoenix weekend. Although issues were found beforehand, all four teams
    were allowed to participate in practice before the louvers were taken.

    The teams were penalized earlier this week. In addition to $100,000
    fines to all four crew chiefs and suspensions, the Nos. 5, 24, and 48
    teams were docked 100 driver points, and all four teams were docked 100 owner points. There was also the loss of 10 playoff points.

    “When we started to get parts at the beginning of the 2023 season, we didn’t have the parts we thought we were going to have,” Knaus said. “Through a tremendous amount of back and forth with NASCAR and the OEM
    and the teams, there’s been conversations about whether we can clean up the parts, not clean up the parts and it’s changed, quite honestly,
    every couple of weeks. So, it’s been challenging for us to navigate, and we’re going to have to see what happens when we get through the appeal.”

    MORE NASCAR!
    SHR reveals Harvick throwback livery for North Wilkesboro
    Hendrick to appeal hood louver penalties
    Hamlin fined over run-in with Chastain

    Hendrick Motorsports did not request a deferral of the suspensions, and
    all four crew chiefs are not at the track this weekend. Without an
    appeal date, no decision has been made on whether the organization will continue to have Cliff Daniels, Alan Gustafson, Rudy Fugle, and Blake
    Harris serve those suspensions going forward.

    In a statement issued after the penalty, Hendrick Motorsports said the louvers were taken four hours after the inspection without prior communication.

    “It’s really confusing,” said Knaus. “We knew that there was some attention to the area when we first went through technical inspection,
    and that’s what’s really disappointing to me, quite honestly. We had plenty of time to get those parts off the part if we felt like there was something wrong. I can assure you if we knew there was going to be a four-hour lag and we thought there was something wrong, they would have
    been in a trash can being burned with fuel somewhere where nobody would
    ever see them. We had no idea we’d been sitting in this position. So,
    once again, really disappointing we are in the position we’re in right now.”

    NASCAR expects cars to be legal when they show up at the racetrack.
    However, Knaus said for a voluntary inspection, he doesn’t understand
    the severity of a penalty seen post-race, such as with RFK Racing and
    Front Row Motorsports last year.

    “Again, from my perspective, I think it’s different,” Knaus said. “A voluntary inspection, I don’t understand why you’d be hung and quartered for a voluntary inspection that typically you’d be told, ‘Hey, you need to go work on that,’ or, ‘Hey, we need to discuss what’s going on here.’”

    Elton Sawyer, NASCAR senior vice president of competition, said
    officials work with the teams to ensure parts and pieces fit correctly. However, Sawyer said the louvers from Hendrick Motorsports were modified beyond that level.

    Even with all the back and forth, the Hendrick Motorsports statement
    said there had been inconsistent and unclear communication from NASCAR.

    “We submitted a part through the OEM to NASCAR and NASCAR chose a single-source provider for those components,” Knaus said. “The components haven’t been coming the way we expected them to be for a
    couple of the OEMs, as far as I know, in the garage, and definitely all
    of the Chevrolet teams.

    “We started to have a dialogue with them in early February about those problems. So, it was us through our aerodynamic departments, through our OEM, back through NASCAR, back to us and back through our OEMs. So,
    there is a significant amount of communication that’s been had and it’s definitely confusing. The timelines are curious, but they’re there.”

    Asked if he thought the parts were faulty or if they modified the parts
    to be acceptable by NASCAR’s standards, Knaus said, “I can tell you this, we’ve got a brand-new set of these parts that we can go pull off
    the shelf right now that NASCAR deemed illegal and inappropriate to race.”

    Knaus denied Hendrick Motorsports learned something from the Garage 56 program to apply to its Cup Series cars. With a different engine and
    cooling package, Knaus said nothing translates.

    Alex Bowman dropped from the point lead to 23rd in the standings with negative playoff 10 playoff points. William Byron dropped to 29th and
    has three playoff points, losing the 10 from his Las Vegas and Phoenix Raceway wins. Kyle Larson is 32nd in the standings with negative nine playoff points.

    Knaus said every part of the penalty is harsh.

    “I think it’s a terrible situation not only for us but the industry, to be quite honest with you. I think that’s what I dislike the most. It’s ugly. We shouldn’t be in this situation and it’s really unfortunate we are because it doesn’t help anybody.

    “We as a company and we in the garage, every one of these teams here are being held accountable to put their car out there to go through
    inspection and perform at the level they need to. The teams are being
    held accountable for doing that. Nobody is holding the single-source suppliers accountable at the level they need to be to give us the parts
    that we need. Now that goes through NASCAR’s distribution center and NASCAR’s approval process to get those parts, and we’re not getting the right parts.”

    Chad Knaus, Hendrick Motorsports, Hood Louvers, Cup Series, NASCAR


    Kelly CrandallKelly Crandall
    Kelly has been on the NASCAR beat full-time since 2013, and joined RACER
    as chief NASCAR writer in 2017. Her work has also appeared in
    NASCAR.com, the NASCAR Illustrated magazine, and NBC Sports. A corporate communications graduate from Central Penn College, Crandall is a
    two-time George Cunningham Writer of the Year recipient from the
    National Motorsports Press Association.

    MORE …
    _________

    Wow...

    What a difference a week - and a few penalties - make!

    And what a race today at Atlanta. Mr. Connecticut, Joe Logano, and
    everyone else in the top ten, finished where they did through HARD
    WORK and honest, clean competition!

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 20 19:57:46 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 3:30:42 PM UTC-7, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:

    Wow...

    What a difference a week - and a few penalties - make!

    And what a race today at Atlanta. Mr. Connecticut, Joe Logano, and
    everyone else in the top ten, finished where they did through HARD
    WORK and honest, clean competition!

    Call me Wednesday or Thursday before I believe that.

    Mike

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Tue Mar 21 08:52:46 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:

    Call me Wednesday or Thursday before I believe that.

    Mike
    ____________

    Still skeptical Mike - after all that fire and brimstone was handed down against HMS?

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 26 10:04:01 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 8:52:48 AM UTC-7, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:

    Call me Wednesday or Thursday before I believe that.

    Mike
    ____________

    Still skeptical Mike - after all that fire and brimstone was handed down against HMS?

    I'll always be skeptical, because, if it's that bad, you'd have thought by now that NASCAR would've broken Hendrick up.

    Mike

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Mar 27 05:02:19 2023
    On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 1:04:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:

    I'll always be skeptical, because, if it's that bad, you'd have thought by now
    that NASCAR would've broken Hendrick up.

    Mike
    ___________________

    Well, a HMS team managed to Pole yesterday at the Circuit in Texas, but all the teams finished all over
    the grid, "retired" Jimmie near the cellar.

    Back in the 00's and early 2010s, the patterns were unmistakeable - officials would call some
    questionable cautions, "debris" etc, whenever a Hendrick driver was leading or was in the top 5 during a
    race.

    It got so predictable that by 2015-16 I stopped watching the races altogether, tuning out after the planes
    flew over the stands! And THAT's what hurt Nascar's viewership and ratings - not "going around in circles
    for several hours."

    I thought, with the supposed retirements of Gordon and Johnson, that things would become more even-
    handed. The season is still young. We'll see!

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 22:05:12 2023
    And the pattern continues...

    All points penalties reversed on appeal.

    Mike

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Fri Mar 31 13:44:15 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:05:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    And the pattern continues...

    All points penalties reversed on appeal.

    Mike
    __________________

    Show me da moh-nee!

    smh...

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Apr 3 02:54:29 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:05:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    And the pattern continues...

    All points penalties reversed on appeal.

    Mike
    _________
    Yesterday's race on FS1, which I don't get because I use terrestrial. Nothing to
    see here anyway!...

    https://www.espn.com/racing/raceresults?raceId=202304020018&series=sprint

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  • From Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)@21:1/5 to Michael Falkner on Mon Apr 10 05:00:52 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:05:13 AM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
    And the pattern continues...

    All points penalties reversed on appeal.

    Mike
    ____________________

    Well, hope your Easter was good.

    I'm glad I tuned out after opening ceremonies at Bristol dirt late yesterday afternoon.

    I guess you're right, and those penalties against the HMS teams earlier in March were
    just for show!

    I checked yesterday's cup results here:
    https://www.espn.com/racing/results

    Since it's easier to follow happenings in the sport on ESPN than on NASCAR's own website, and
    sure enough, the Hendrick teams just keep on 'winning', or at least breaking the top five, regardless
    of who are in the drivers seats of those cars nowadays.

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  • From Michael Falkner@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 06:53:33 2023
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 5:00:53 AM UTC-7, Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity) wrote:

    I guess you're right, and those penalties against the HMS teams earlier in March were
    just for show!

    We'll see if the second set last week is the same.

    Mike

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