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  • Russia/Ukraine cont.

    From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 7 11:27:26 2022
    Kyiv mayor says 'apocalypse' scenario possible this winter, but urges no panic

    "Kyiv might lose power, water, and heat supply. The apocalypse might happen, like in Hollywood films, when it's not possible to live in homes considering the low temperature," Mayor Vitali Klitschko told Reuters in an interview.

    Klitschko urged residents to prepare emergency supplies of food and water, as well as to have clothes and documents ready for a quick departure if the heating supply is turned off.
    https://www.jpost.com/international/article-724298

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Matthew on Thu Dec 8 08:13:25 2022
    On 12/7/22 11:27, Matthew wrote:
    Kyiv mayor says 'apocalypse' scenario possible this winter, but urges no panic

    https://www.jpost.com/international/article-724298

    Life is certainly tough there.
    But, good for them, they have hope.

    And they have really hurt the power of
    big nasty feared Bear.
    That Bear has gone from all conquering,
    to wounded, with many broken teeth and
    bleeding gums.

    The Free World owes Ukraine a favor,
    countries like Poland and Finland just
    need to improve their military preparedness,
    and then they will never again feel threatened.

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 8 15:30:02 2022
    Not just Poland and Finland. Russia can strike practically anywhere, and probably will soon (through proxies, at first). We live in a globalized world with far-reaching technology.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 07:45:40 2022
    "Matthew" wrote in message news:73b780d2-4b53-499b-a2bb-6baa13a4b978n@googlegroups.com...

    Not just Poland and Finland. Russia can strike practically anywhere, and probably will soon (through proxies, at first). We live in a globalized
    world with far-reaching technology.

    -----------------------

    Terrorists can strike practically anywhere too, with nearly the same
    capability short of nukes if they smuggle in the explosives by hiding them under the drugs. Like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 they only justify larger scale retaliation.

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to that's why I on Fri Dec 9 11:18:56 2022
    Yes, that's why I said "by proxy, at first". Russia is arming Jihadists with nukes and other WMDs.

    smugglers are explicitly targeting buyers who are enemies of the West.
    The man behind the bomb-grade uranium deal was Alexandr Agheenco, known as "the colonel"...
    ...the colonel fled with his infant son through Ukraine to Russia shortly after the bust
    https://apnews.com/article/9f77a17c001f4cf3baeb28990b0d92eb

    U.S. authorities uncovered numerous attempts by Al-Qaeda to obtain nuclear materials and fear that terrorists have already bought uranium.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8471907/WikiLeaks-Guantanamo-Bay-terrorist-secrets-revealed.html

    "North Korea has a record of missile sales and nuclear technology sharing with countries including Egypt, Iran, Libya, Myanmar, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, and Yemen." [North Korea launders Russian tech]
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-missile-tests-military-capabilities

    It is impossible to know how many Russians have been recruited abroad, but there is no doubt that their expertise has been attracting bidders.... I've heard that several went to Iraq and North Korea. A former colleague, now the director of a Biopreparat
    institute, told me that five of our scientists are in Iran. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Biohazard/wxfSAgAAQBAJ

    FBI Director James Comey warned... future attacks will be on "an order of magnitude greater."
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-27/fbi-chief-warns-terrorist-diaspora-will-be-coming-to-the-west

    There are large stockpiles of nerve agents which, if obtained by terrorists, could be released
    https://www.osha.gov/emergency-preparedness/guides/nerve-agents

    CBRN substances have been carried undetected into the EU http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2015/572806/EPRS_BRI(2015)572806_EN.pdf

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 11:20:00 2022
    Huge explosions were heard in Russia on Friday morning as a massive fire ripped through a Moscow shopping mall
    https://www.newsweek.com/explosions-russia-moscow-fire-moscow-khimki-shopping-mall-1765837

    https://twitter.com/typicaldonetsk/status/1601078695778975744

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 9 11:46:09 2022
    Vladimir Putin said Russia may consider formally adding the possibility of a preventive nuclear first strike to disarm an opponent to its military doctrine, just days after warning that the risk of atomic war is rising.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-09/putin-says-russia-may-add-nuclear-first-strike-to-strategy
    https://archive.vn/gxgPY

    The head of NATO expressed worry that the fighting in Ukraine could spin out of control and become a war between Russia and NATO
    “If things go wrong, they can go horribly wrong,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said in remarks to Norwegian broadcaster NRK.
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-jens-stoltenberg-government-f01121d32693881920b1fe5e8c75b22d

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 10 18:27:04 2022
    All non-critical infrastructure in Odesa was left without power after Russia used Iranian-made drones to hit two energy facilities, Ukrainian authorities said, adding it could take months to repair the damage.

    Zelenskyy said that more than 1.5 million people in the southern Ukrainian port city were without electricity.

    The regional administration said people who relied solely on electricity to power their homes should consider leaving.

    “According to preliminary forecasts, it will take much more time to restore energy facilities in the Odesa region than after previous attacks,” the administration said.

    “We are talking not about days, but even weeks and possibly even two to three months”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/10/ukraines-odesa-plunged-into-darkness-after-energy-facilities-hit

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 13:18:10 2022
    Pentagon gives Ukraine green light for drone strikes inside Russia https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-drone-warfare-russia-732jsshpx

    A salvo of Ukrainian Himars missiles fired against a Russian makeshift barracks has killed or wounded as many as 200 troops, Ukrainian officials claimed.
    US Himars destroy Russian Barracks https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/11/ukraine-russia-war-attack-himars-melitopol

    Ukraine 'destroys Wagner HQ in Luhansk' https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/11/ukraine-russia-war-news-putin-nuclear-iran-drones-latest

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 11 15:22:37 2022
    Three major fires broke out in Moscow on December 10, raising suspicions of arson attacks by Ukrainian saboteurs.
    Fire consumed the OBI shopping mall at the Mega retail complex in the Khimki region of Moscow not far from capital’s main airport, Sheremetyevo International Airport.
    Another fire destroyed the Mikoyanovsky meat factory on Moscow’s Volgogradsky Prospekt in southeast Moscow.
    And a third broke out at the Pushkin national art gallery in central Moscow, although none of its world-famous art was destroyed, according to preliminary reports.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/three-fires-in-moscow-raise-suspicions-of-ukrainian-arson-attacks/ar-AA159Jvp

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 09:36:23 2022
    A massive fire gutted a shopping mall on Moscow’s eastern outskirts on Monday, the second such blaze in four days.
    https://apnews.com/article/business-moscow-bec313ff5566ae5c78f4820ff1385cb2

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 19 09:29:03 2022
    Moscow said Monday that its air defense systems had shot down four US-made missiles over a southern Russian region bordering Ukraine, in one of its first such claims in nearly 10 months of fighting.
    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/12/19/Moscow-says-shot-down-four-US-made-missiles-over-southern-Russia-

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:56:37 2022
    Belarus says its Russian S-400, Iskander missiles enter ‘combat duty’ https://news.yahoo.com/belarus-says-russian-400-iskander-180043511.html

    US to send precision bomb kits and Patriot missiles in next Ukraine aid package, officials say
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/us-ukraine-munitions-patriot-missiles/index.html

    Russia warns of ‘consequences’ if U.S. sends Patriot missiles to Ukraine >Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said in a weekly briefing Thursday that “the U.S. has effectively become a party” to the war in Ukraine, following reports that it will provide Kyiv with Patriot surface-to-air missiles, the most advanced the
    West has yet provided to help Ukraine’s military repel Russian aerial attacks.
    Zakharova added that growing amounts of U.S. military assistance, including the transfer of such sophisticated weapons, “would mean even broader involvement of military personnel in the hostilities and could entail possible consequences.”
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-warns-of-consequences-if-u-s-sends-patriot-missiles-sent-to-ukraine

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:31:53 2022
    Three killed in mysterious explosion at Russian gas pipeline supplying Europe https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/20/three-killed-in-mysterious-explosion-at-russian-gas-pipeline-supplying-europe

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 02:59:49 2022
    Massive explosion rips through Russian oil and gas field sparking 'Armageddon' blaze – amid wave of suspicious fires hitting country's infrastructure
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11553783/Massive-explosion-rips-Russian-oil-gas-field-sparking-Armageddon-blaze.html

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 07:06:28 2022
    Russian State TV Host Says West Will Be 'Reduced to Ashes' if War Is Lost

    Solovyov said: "We live in latter days. What's happening in Ukraine won't stay in Ukraine. A holy war is underway."

    "When people are trying to tell me about whether nuclear weapons can be used or not, I will respond to that briefly and clearly, 'do you remember this part of Biblical history?' Sodom and Gomorrah?'"
    https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-host-says-west-will-reduced-ashes-nuclear-war-1767985

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 09:39:43 2022
    "Matthew" wrote in message news:e1313132-0cff-4f9a-b30c-70ddc7a3f2cen@googlegroups.com...

    Russian State TV Host Says West Will Be 'Reduced to Ashes' if War Is Lost

    Solovyov said: "We live in latter days. What's happening in Ukraine won't >stay in Ukraine. A holy war is underway."

    "When people are trying to tell me about whether nuclear weapons can be
    used or not, I will respond to that briefly and clearly, 'do you remember >this part of Biblical history?' Sodom and Gomorrah?'" https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-host-says-west-will-reduced-ashes-nuclear-war-1767985

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    A fundamental of deterrence theory is having enough survivable assets to devastate an enemy who strikes first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_strike

    It presupposes rational leadership, though Hitler and the Jewish revolt
    against Rome showed that a leader who believes his nation failed him may
    allow its destruction as punishment. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/69593/pg69593-images.html

    Ironically the Romans were only in Judea because a previous leader had
    invited and bribed them to help him defeat his rival brother. Once there
    Pompey realized that neither was fit to rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty

    WW1 demonstrated that less than complete domination of the loser may
    encourage them to try again later.

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 19:58:55 2022
    All true, though there are problems with deterrence beyond a suicidal leader. A leader may also miscalculate. Totalitarians don't get the best advice, they are surrounded by sycophants. Events can also cascade out of control. Rogue commanders may
    escalate on their own. It is also known that terrorist groups currently possess WMDs. If jihadists nuke Washington DC with a stolen or sold Russian nuke, do we retaliate against Moscow? Probably not right away, but the prospect of Western "decision-
    making centers" evaporating one after the other without eventual retribution against Russia is pretty low. The use of WMDs in general is a slippery slope.

    After the first nuke(s) we will probably invade Iran. Note that there was coordination between Al Qaeda and Iran prior to 9/11, and also possibly Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks#Iran

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri#Activities_in_Russia

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 23 22:31:07 2022
    Russia’s ‘Most Elite’ Tank Unit Raised For Defense Of Moscow & Clash With NATO Trains For ‘Kyiv Invasion’ In Belarus
    https://eurasiantimes.com/russias-most-elite-tank-unit-raised-for-defense-of-moscow

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 25 23:48:22 2022
    Drone attack on airbase deep inside Russia kills three https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/26/ukraine-russia-war-latest-blasts-reported-military-airbase-deep/

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 26 21:38:50 2022
    Russia’s Lavrov issues ultimatum to Ukraine: ‘For your own good’

    Fulfil Moscow’s demands, ‘otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army’, Russia’s foreign minister said.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/27/russias-lavrov-issues-ultimatum-to-ukraine-for-your-own-good

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 29 23:23:55 2022
    Russian ally Belarus said on Thursday that its air defense shot down a missile launched from Ukrainian territory, in the first such incident reported by Minsk since the start of Moscow's Ukraine offensive.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/29/ukrainian-missile-reportedly-hits-belarus-a79836

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 31 18:41:24 2022
    https://twitter.com/oleksiydanilov/status/1609136201662857216

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 02:45:10 2023
    https://twitter.com/oleksiydanilov/status/1609136201662857216

    note the ending

    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1029437787/in-1991-soviet-citizens-saw-swans-on-the-tv-and-knew-it-meant-turmoil

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 15:15:34 2023
    Patriarch of Moscow and Russia Kirill stated the relations between the countries have deteriorated and due to distrust, there is a threat of a large-scale war.
    https://twitter.com/b92english/status/1609726952364990466

    The whole world is in danger: "We are threatened with a large-scale war"

    "We are all witnessing a very tense atmosphere and mistrust between countries, and this tension is growing and threatens to turn into a large-scale war. Relations have gone backwards, given that they have deteriorated so much," said Patriarch Kirill,
    reports Sputnik.

    Patriarch of Moscow and Russia Kirill added that humanity has never had such a terrible weaponry as today, which is accumulating. "And if that arsenal of weapons does not correspond to the moral state of the human race, then does not the threat that
    these weapons will be used increase? This testifies to the fact that the scientific development of human civilization cannot ensure either the happiness or the safety of people," said the Russian Patriarch.
    https://archive.is/uz41I

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 18:01:14 2023
    Russia has seen in the new year with nightly attacks on Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv, hundreds of kilometres from the front lines. This marks a change in tactics after months in which Moscow usually spaced such strikes around a week apart.
    https://news.yahoo.com/russian-drones-attack-critical-infrastructure-031036666.html

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 06:04:07 2023
    Putin deploys new Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles to Atlantic https://archive.is/SxBl3

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 10:33:13 2023
    Belarus Sign Calls For 'All Male Citizens' To Attend Enlistment Office https://www.newsweek.com/belarus-russia-ukraine-enlistment-office-lukashenko-1771266

    Russia and Belarus beef up joint military grouping
    The [Belarusian Defence Ministry] said "combat coordination activities" were planned as well as air force drills.
    "Personnel, weapons, military and special equipment of the armed forces of the Russian Federation will continue to arrive in the Republic of Belarus," the ministry said.
    https://archive.is/vWnq4

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  • From Matthew@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 13:43:26 2023
    An Il-76 A-50U aircraft, designed to track air and surface targets, arrived at the Machulishchy airfield in Belarus from Russia.
    The last time, this aircraft arrived in Belarus on 24 February 2022. https://news.yahoo.com/aew-c-aircraft-helps-targeting-201700572.html

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