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    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 6 19:31:43 2024
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    OPINION
    BRET STEPHENS

    The Appalling Tactics of the ‘Free Palestine’ Movement
    April 2, 2024
    Red and white posters bearing images of Israeli hostages are ripped up. Credit...Andrew Lichtenstein/Corbis, via Getty Images
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    Last week, Susanne DeWitt, an 89-year-old Holocaust survivor who later
    became a molecular biologist, spoke before the Berkeley, Calif., City
    Council to request a Holocaust Remembrance Day proclamation. After
    taking note of a “horrendous surge in antisemitism,” she was then
    heckled and shouted down by protesters at the meeting when she mentioned
    the massacre and rapes in Israel of Oct. 7.

    At the same meeting, a woman testified that her 7-year-old Jewish son
    heard “a group of kids at his school say, ‘Jews are stupid.’” She, too, was heckled: “Zionists are stupider,” a protester said. Others yelled, “cowards, go chase the money, you money suckers” and “you are traitors
    to this country, you are spies for Israel.”

    Protest movements have an honorable place in American history. But not
    all of them. Not the neo-Nazis who marched in Chicago in 1978. Not the
    white supremacists who chanted “Jews will not replace us” at their Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017.

    And not too much of what passes for a pro-Palestinian movement but is
    really pro-Hamas, with its calls to get rid of the Jewish state in its
    entirety (“from the river to the sea …”), its open celebration of the murder of its people (“resistance is justified …”) and its efforts to mock, minimize or deny the suffering of Israelis, which so quickly
    descend into the antisemitism on naked display in Berkeley.

    How did this happen?

    It wasn’t a response to the human suffering in Gaza in recent months. A coalition of Harvard student groups issued a statement on Oct. 7 holding
    “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.” Pro-Hamas demonstrations broke out worldwide on Oct. 8. A Black Lives
    Matter chapter posted a graphic on Instagram of the Hamas paragliders
    who murdered hundreds of young Israelis at the Nova music festival. A
    Cornell professor said he found the massacre “exhilarating,” and demonstrators rallied in his support.

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    Nor is it a matter of seeking a Palestinian state — another fact the demonstrators openly avow. Among the popular chants at many protests is
    “We don’t want no two states! We want all of ’48!” — all of what had been Mandatory Palestine before the creation of Israel. Israeli soldiers
    and settlers vacated Gaza almost 20 years ago. The towns and kibbutzim
    that Hamas invaded on Oct. 7 are only “occupied” if one believes that
    all of Israel, in any kind of border, is a form of occupation.

    In other words, the central, animating sentiment behind much of the
    protest movement is neither humanitarian nor liberationist. It’s eliminationist. And it expresses itself routinely in the tactics adopted
    by so many of its leading activists and followers.

    Tactics like the grotesque and routine removal or defacement of posters
    of Israelis kidnapped to Gaza. Or holding a loud and aggressive
    demonstration outside of New York’s Memorial Sloan Kettering cancer
    hospital (“Make sure they hear you, they’re in the windows,” said one of the protest leaders), apparently because the hospital has collaborated
    with Israeli medical institutions. Or forcing a Jewish teacher at a
    public school in Queens to flee her classroom for safety as hundreds of teenagers rioted through the school, some waving Palestinian flags. Or
    shouting down Representative Jamie Raskin at the University of Maryland
    for being “complicit in genocide” when he came to the campus to give a
    talk on democracy and “the threat to reason in the 21st century.” Or surrounding a theater at the University of California at Berkeley that
    was supposed to host a talk by an Israeli lawyer, smashing windows,
    breaking through locked doors, spitting on and grabbing at least one
    student by the neck and forcing Jewish students to flee through an
    underground exit.

    This is only a partial list. But it reveals the bullying mentality at
    the heart of the pro-Hamas movement. It isn’t enough for them to speak
    out; they must shut other voices down. It isn’t enough for them to make
    a strong or clear argument; they also aim to instill a palpable sense of
    fear in their opponents. American civil libertarians of the past once understood that inherent in the right to protest was the obligation to
    respect the right of people with differing views to protest as well.
    That understanding seems to be wholly absent from the people who think
    that, say, heckling Raskin into silence is also a form of democracy.

    In this sense, critics of Israel who claim that American Jews must
    choose between Zionism and liberalism have it backward. The illiberals
    aren’t the people defending the right of an imperfect but embattled
    democracy to defend its territory and save its hostages. They are the
    people who, like the former Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, want
    Israel wiped off the map and aren’t ashamed to say so. Not surprisingly,
    they also seem to share Ahmadinejad’s attitudes toward dealing with dissent.

    It’s true that in nearly every political cause, including the most
    justified, there are ugly elements — the Meir Kahanes or the Louis
    Farrakhans of the world. But the mark of a morally serious movement lies
    in its determination to weed out its worst members and stamp out its
    worst ideas. What we’ve too often seen from the “Free Palestine” crowd
    is precisely the opposite.

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  • From Rudy Crayola@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 7 14:56:22 2024
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    On 4/6/2024 9:31 PM, a425couple wrote:
    from https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/opinion/the-appalling-tactics-of-the-free-palestine-movement.html?unlocked_article_code=1.hk0.MUz6.UkoacZSEHJok&smid=url-share

    enough with the Jews and Pali's! We have paid our dues in America and it
    is time that those folks settle down or fade into History!

    Might be nice if the Jews apologized and paid for the attack on the USS
    Liberty or any of the dozens of "False Flag Operations' they have used
    to suck America and others into their wars. Maybe some one should repost
    the History of the Murderous Jews killing their Arab benefactors and
    every living man, woman and child of the real owners of the land called
    Israel. The land was stolen from Jprdan and its real name was Palestinian-Romana. It was a prison territory to house violent and
    dissident Jews in Roman days. There are some who suspect the Jews of
    being LBJ's assassins for killing JFK. Keep in mind most Jews in Israel
    today are RUSSIAN JEWS. Note the brotherhood shared with Putin on many
    things involving Ukraine.

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  • From alkanamana@21:1/5 to Rudy Crayola on Sun Apr 7 14:49:42 2024
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    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:56:22 -0500
    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

    Keep in mind most Jews in Israel
    today are RUSSIAN JEWS.

    No, that's simply incorrect to claim, by a wide margin:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    From Israel by paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    2,765,500 2,043,800
    Increase
    44.06% 37%
    From Europe by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    1,648,000 1,662,800
    Decrease
    26.26% 30.1%
    Russia and former USSR
    Decrease
    891,700 923,600
    Decrease
    14.21% 16.83%
    Romania
    Decrease
    199,400 213,100
    Decrease
    3.18% 3.86%
    Poland
    Decrease
    185,400 198,500
    Decrease
    2.95% 3.59%
    France
    Increase
    87,500 63,200
    Increase
    1.39% 1.14%
    Germany and Austria
    Increase
    70,800 49,700
    Increase
    1.13% 0.9%
    Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia
    Decrease
    59,800 64,900
    Decrease
    0.95% 1.17%
    United Kingdom
    Increase
    46,000 39,800
    Increase
    0.73% 0.72%
    Bulgaria and Greece
    Decrease
    45,500 48,900
    Decrease
    0.72% 0.89%
    Other European
    Increase
    61,900 61,100
    Decrease
    0.99% 1.11%
    From Africa by own or paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    897,300 859,100
    Decrease
    14.3% 15.53%
    Morocco
    Decrease
    484,500 486,600
    Decrease
    7.72% 8.81%
    Algeria and Tunisia
    Increase
    133,500 120,600
    Decrease
    2.13% 2.18%
    Ethiopia
    Increase
    133,200 106,900
    Increase
    2.12% 1.94%
    Libya
    Decrease
    66,800 67,400
    Decrease
    1.06% 1.22%
    Egypt
    Decrease
    54,600 55,800
    Decrease
    0.87% 1.01%
    Other African
    Increase
    24,700 17,200
    Increase
    0.39% 0.31%
    From Asia by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    674,500 681,400
    Decrease
    10.75% 12.33%
    Iraq
    Decrease
    225,800 233,500
    Decrease
    3.6% 4.23%
    Iran (Persia)
    Increase
    140,100 134,700
    Increase
    2.23% 2.44%
    Yemen
    Decrease
    134,100 138,300
    Decrease
    2.14% 2.5%
    Turkey
    Decrease
    74,600 76,900
    Decrease
    1.19% 1.39%
    India and Pakistan
    Increase
    47,600 45,600
    Decrease
    0.76% 0.83%
    Syria and Lebanon
    Decrease
    34,500 35,300
    Decrease
    0.55% 0.64%
    Other Asian
    Increase
    18,000 17,200
    Decrease
    0.29% 0.31%
    From the Americas and Oceania by own or paternal country of origin: Increase
    291,500 249,800
    Increase
    4.64% 4.52%
    United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand
    Increase
    181,000 149,200
    Increase
    2.88% 2.7%
    Argentina
    Increase
    62,600 59,400
    Decrease
    1% 1.08%
    Other Latin American
    Increase
    47,900 41,200
    Increase
    0.76% 0.75%

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  • From alkanamana@21:1/5 to Rudy Crayola on Sun Apr 7 14:40:09 2024
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    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:56:22 -0500
    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

    enough with the Jews and Pali's! We have paid our dues in America and
    it is time that those folks settle down or fade into History!

    Amen.

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop Shop@21:1/5 to Rudy Crayola on Mon Apr 8 22:23:00 2024
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    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:17:15 -0500
    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

    On 4/7/2024 3:49 PM, alkanamana wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:56:22 -0500
    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

    Keep in mind most Jews in Israel
    today are RUSSIAN JEWS.

    No, that's simply incorrect to claim, by a wide margin:

    Wrongo!

    Evidence stands:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    From Israel by paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    2,765,500 2,043,800
    Increase
    44.06% 37%
    From Europe by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    1,648,000 1,662,800
    Decrease
    26.26% 30.1%
    Russia and former USSR
    Decrease
    891,700 923,600
    Decrease
    14.21% 16.83%
    Romania
    Decrease
    199,400 213,100
    Decrease
    3.18% 3.86%
    Poland
    Decrease
    185,400 198,500
    Decrease
    2.95% 3.59%
    France
    Increase
    87,500 63,200
    Increase
    1.39% 1.14%
    Germany and Austria
    Increase
    70,800 49,700
    Increase
    1.13% 0.9%
    Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia
    Decrease
    59,800 64,900
    Decrease
    0.95% 1.17%
    United Kingdom
    Increase
    46,000 39,800
    Increase
    0.73% 0.72%
    Bulgaria and Greece
    Decrease
    45,500 48,900
    Decrease
    0.72% 0.89%
    Other European
    Increase
    61,900 61,100
    Decrease
    0.99% 1.11%
    From Africa by own or paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    897,300 859,100
    Decrease
    14.3% 15.53%
    Morocco
    Decrease
    484,500 486,600
    Decrease
    7.72% 8.81%
    Algeria and Tunisia
    Increase
    133,500 120,600
    Decrease
    2.13% 2.18%
    Ethiopia
    Increase
    133,200 106,900
    Increase
    2.12% 1.94%
    Libya
    Decrease
    66,800 67,400
    Decrease
    1.06% 1.22%
    Egypt
    Decrease
    54,600 55,800
    Decrease
    0.87% 1.01%
    Other African
    Increase
    24,700 17,200
    Increase
    0.39% 0.31%
    From Asia by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    674,500 681,400
    Decrease
    10.75% 12.33%
    Iraq
    Decrease
    225,800 233,500
    Decrease
    3.6% 4.23%
    Iran (Persia)
    Increase
    140,100 134,700
    Increase
    2.23% 2.44%
    Yemen
    Decrease
    134,100 138,300
    Decrease
    2.14% 2.5%
    Turkey
    Decrease
    74,600 76,900
    Decrease
    1.19% 1.39%
    India and Pakistan
    Increase
    47,600 45,600
    Decrease
    0.76% 0.83%
    Syria and Lebanon
    Decrease
    34,500 35,300
    Decrease
    0.55% 0.64%
    Other Asian
    Increase
    18,000 17,200
    Decrease
    0.29% 0.31%
    From the Americas and Oceania by own or paternal country of
    origin: Increase
    291,500 249,800
    Increase
    4.64% 4.52%
    United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand
    Increase
    181,000 149,200
    Increase
    2.88% 2.7%
    Argentina
    Increase
    62,600 59,400
    Decrease
    1% 1.08%
    Other Latin American
    Increase
    47,900 41,200
    Increase
    0.76% 0.75%



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  • From Rudy Crayola@21:1/5 to alkanamana on Mon Apr 8 23:17:15 2024
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    On 4/7/2024 3:49 PM, alkanamana wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:56:22 -0500
    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com> wrote:

    Keep in mind most Jews in Israel
    today are RUSSIAN JEWS.

    No, that's simply incorrect to claim, by a wide margin:

    Wrongo! Putin and Israel cut a deal for Israel to release Russian Jews
    to go only to Israel for the trade of Israel providing American military
    intel and secrets. As per usual such news has been buried in the far
    back pages of Liberal owned media. Lots of Nuke boat secrets passed
    over. Don't forget all the false flag ops and the slaughter of American
    Sailors of the USS Liberty. And massive amounts of counterfeit news and propaganda to cover it all up. Never ever turn your back on Israel and
    do expect a knife in our back. The History and Data of Israel has long
    been rewritten to suit whatever the ZionNazi's want it to be. After all
    they do own the -press and media. Maybe you should note what George
    Soros had to say at Davos....And many others. America is for sale as far
    as they are concerned. Maybe you should check out the populace of the
    Jews in America and wonder why so many more real Jews choose to live
    here, rather then Israel or other countries. Wikipedia, while has good intentions,,Way to many loose cannons rewrite and edit it.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    From Israel by paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    2,765,500 2,043,800
    Increase
    44.06% 37%
    From Europe by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    1,648,000 1,662,800
    Decrease
    26.26% 30.1%
    Russia and former USSR
    Decrease
    891,700 923,600
    Decrease
    14.21% 16.83%
    Romania
    Decrease
    199,400 213,100
    Decrease
    3.18% 3.86%
    Poland
    Decrease
    185,400 198,500
    Decrease
    2.95% 3.59%
    France
    Increase
    87,500 63,200
    Increase
    1.39% 1.14%
    Germany and Austria
    Increase
    70,800 49,700
    Increase
    1.13% 0.9%
    Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia
    Decrease
    59,800 64,900
    Decrease
    0.95% 1.17%
    United Kingdom
    Increase
    46,000 39,800
    Increase
    0.73% 0.72%
    Bulgaria and Greece
    Decrease
    45,500 48,900
    Decrease
    0.72% 0.89%
    Other European
    Increase
    61,900 61,100
    Decrease
    0.99% 1.11%
    From Africa by own or paternal country of origin:
    Increase
    897,300 859,100
    Decrease
    14.3% 15.53%
    Morocco
    Decrease
    484,500 486,600
    Decrease
    7.72% 8.81%
    Algeria and Tunisia
    Increase
    133,500 120,600
    Decrease
    2.13% 2.18%
    Ethiopia
    Increase
    133,200 106,900
    Increase
    2.12% 1.94%
    Libya
    Decrease
    66,800 67,400
    Decrease
    1.06% 1.22%
    Egypt
    Decrease
    54,600 55,800
    Decrease
    0.87% 1.01%
    Other African
    Increase
    24,700 17,200
    Increase
    0.39% 0.31%
    From Asia by own or paternal country of origin:
    Decrease
    674,500 681,400
    Decrease
    10.75% 12.33%
    Iraq
    Decrease
    225,800 233,500
    Decrease
    3.6% 4.23%
    Iran (Persia)
    Increase
    140,100 134,700
    Increase
    2.23% 2.44%
    Yemen
    Decrease
    134,100 138,300
    Decrease
    2.14% 2.5%
    Turkey
    Decrease
    74,600 76,900
    Decrease
    1.19% 1.39%
    India and Pakistan
    Increase
    47,600 45,600
    Decrease
    0.76% 0.83%
    Syria and Lebanon
    Decrease
    34,500 35,300
    Decrease
    0.55% 0.64%
    Other Asian
    Increase
    18,000 17,200
    Decrease
    0.29% 0.31%
    From the Americas and Oceania by own or paternal country of origin: Increase
    291,500 249,800
    Increase
    4.64% 4.52%
    United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand
    Increase
    181,000 149,200
    Increase
    2.88% 2.7%
    Argentina
    Increase
    62,600 59,400
    Decrease
    1% 1.08%
    Other Latin American
    Increase
    47,900 41,200
    Increase
    0.76% 0.75%


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  • From Sam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 9 07:55:16 2024
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    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:17:15 -0500, Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com>
    wrote:

    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com>


    You write conspiracy theories like you are on Meth. That is for sure.

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  • From Phil Hendry's Chop Shop@21:1/5 to Sam on Tue Apr 9 10:05:02 2024
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    On Tue, 09 Apr 2024 07:55:16 -0700
    Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:17:15 -0500, Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com>
    wrote:

    Rudy Crayola <Meth@Amphetamin.com>


    You write conspiracy theories like you are on Meth. That is for sure.


    Hendry has functional (read: well-paying) multiple personality disorder.

    I think playing 2nd fiddle to the late Art Bell among the fringe radio demographic warped his rampant ego horribly and when he got old and had
    no more commercial viability n radio left...well...there was always
    uselessnet.

    Now we see the pathetic depth of his MPD as he clones every dead or
    disappeared regular in the medium to feed his ongoing war with his own corrupted nature.

    Sad stuff.

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