• SETI chief says US has no evidence for alien technology.

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    SETI chief says US has no evidence for alien technology. 'And we never have' News
    By Leonard David published 6 hours ago
    "The idea that the government is keeping something like this secret is
    just totally absurd. There's no motivation to do so."

    Comments (9)
    a series of large white radar dishes stand alone in the desert
    The Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array is a radio astronomy observatory
    located in the Plains of San Agustin in New Mexico. (Image credit: Getty Images/Feifei Cui-Paoluzzo)
    If all the reports of mysterious objects buzzing our skies are taken as
    true encounters, the Earth appears to be under assault.

    But spoiler alert: For the chief leader of the SETI Institute,
    established to search for and understand life beyond Earth, there's a
    need to step back and cuddle up to a cup of cosmic reality.

    "We don't have any evidence of any credible source that would indicate
    the presence of alien technology in our skies. And we never have," said
    Bill Diamond, president and chief executive officer of the SETI
    Institute, headquartered in Mountain View, California. "The idea that
    the government is keeping something like this secret is just totally
    absurd. There's no motivation to do so."

    Related: 'It's getting closer and closer for sure.' How SETI is
    expanding its search for alien intelligence (exclusive)

    SETI is a key research contractor to NASA and the National Science
    Foundation, and collaborates with industry partners throughout Silicon
    Valley. Space.com caught up with Diamond for a close-encounter with his
    own thoughts and counterpoints to claims of alien visitation and to ask
    whether there's any signal in all the UFO noise.

    a man in a blue vest stands in a large room before a large red piece of equipment and a large dark circular disk towering over him.

    Bill Diamond, president and chief executive officer of the SETI
    Institute. (Image credit: Bill Diamond)
    Thought experiment
    Diamond said that, while we should not outright rule out the possibility
    that we might someday discover evidence of alien technology in our
    skies, "we should equally not jump to the conclusion that UFOs are alien technology in the absence of any compelling evidence to that effect. And
    there is no compelling evidence," he contends.

    To help visualize why, Diamond urges people to try a thought experiment.

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    The fastest spacecraft that humans have ever built and continues to head outward from Earth is NASA's New Horizons spacecraft. It was hurled
    outward back in January 2006, cruising by Pluto and is still adding
    mileage to its odometer.

    "If you sent that spacecraft to our closest neighbor star, Alpha
    Centauri, it would take 80,000 years to get there," said Diamond. "Any civilization that has mastered the ability to traverse the
    incomprehensibly vast distances of interstellar space would have
    technology so far advanced from our own as to be beyond our comprehension."

    The binary stars of the nearby Alpha Centauri system, as seen by NASA's
    Hubble Space Telescope. On the left is Alpha Centauri A, which is a
    sun-like G-type star. On the right is Alpha Centauri B, which is a
    slightly cooler K-type star.

    The closest star system to the Earth is the Alpha Centauri group at a
    distance of 4.3 light-years. The NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope snagged
    this view of Alpha Centauri A (on the left) and Alpha Centauri B (on the right), appearing as cosmic headlamps in the dark. (Image credit:
    ESA/NASA)
    It would be much like a smartphone to a Neanderthal, Diamond suggested.

    "If such beings exist, they would likely send hardware here first and
    not biology, and they certainly wouldn't crash-land in our deserts," he
    said, like the alleged and highly acclaimed 1947 nose-dive of a UFO and
    its accident-prone occupants near Roswell, New Mexico.

    In short haul language, that's a long way to travel and run out of
    braking fluid.

    Where's the mothership?
    "Long before they sent any craft into our sky they would have some understanding of what they were dealing with," Diamond observed, "as
    they would already know everything about our atmosphere, our airspace,
    our technology and more."

    It just wouldn't happen, Diamond emphasized.

    "And if it did they wouldn't leave them behind. And by the way, if you
    have a small craft zipping around in our airspace, where is the
    mothership? And if they didn't want to be observed, they wouldn't be!"

    an image of space with the words SETI INSTITUTE

    For many, the SETI logo signals a universal question of 'are we alone?'.
    (Image credit: SETI Institute/Trevor Beattie)
    Connective tissue
    All the same, in the public mind, is there some kind of connective
    tissue between SETI and UFOs?

    "There is definitely connective tissue," Diamond responded. "Why do
    people have these beliefs? It is because they want to believe. Nobody
    really wants to think that this Earth is the only place in the vastness
    of space where life has emerged. Even that idea is also kind of absurd."

    For example, Diamond points to the revelations cranked out by the NASA
    Kepler mission, lofted in March 2009.

    That hunter/data-gatherer spacecraft discovered more than 2,700 planets
    beyond our solar system. Compiling deep space data for nine years, the
    message from Kepler: there are billions of unseen planets, indeed, more
    planets than stars.

    Statistical probability
    "Statistically speaking, every single star in the sky has one or more
    planets around it," Diamond pointed out. Furthermore, 50 percent or more
    of these are Earth-like (rocky surface and similar size) and in the
    habitable zone of their host star, he said.

    "That implies the existence of tens of billions of potentially habitable
    worlds in our galaxy alone," Diamond said. "So indeed, the statistical probability that we are alone in the Universe is zero. Surely there is
    life beyond Earth!"

    But the presence, both in space and time, as well as proximity, of
    advanced alien civilizations is another matter completely, Diamond
    continued. "There are innumerable variables, all of which in the
    sciences of astrobiology, planetary science, astronomy and astrophysics,
    we are trying to figure out."

    Accidental observations
    The SETI Institute's Allen Telescope Array in Hat Creek, California is
    now searching 20,000 red dwarf stars for signs of intelligent life.

    The SETI Institute's Allen Telescope Array is the first radio telescope
    to be designed from the ground up to search for extraterrestrial
    intelligence. (Image credit: Seth Shostak, SETI Institute)
    Diamond questions why any alien civilization would send biology when
    they could isntead send hardware.

    "The farthest things we have sent into space are hardware. And that's
    logical," said Diamond. "But if you did send beings and the most
    interesting thing you can do is draw circles in crops … come on!"

    One other scoop of skepticism Diamond added is that every single UFO —
    now tied to the term Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) — are all "accidental observations."

    RELATED STORIES:
    —  The search for extraterrestrial intelligence gets a new home at Oxford

     — SETI scientists begin huge new hunt for intelligent aliens

    — SETI's 1st 'conversation' with a humpback whale offers insight on how
    to talk to E.T.

    "Therefore, they are highly unreliable. They don't have instrumentation, technology, or methodology to discern what they are looking at," said
    Diamond.

    Lastly, the SETI Institute leader said if the government actually
    believed in ET buzzing our planet, where's the study money?

    "The lack of government funding to study UAP/UFO is evidence of either
    the government being quite certain that there's nothing to these
    accidental observations — or — the government preferring that we not use available technology to closely watch our skies because of our own human technologies that are being developed — in secret," said Diamond.

    "I think that's the most compelling bit of evidence against the idea
    that we've got visitors in our skies," Diamond concluded.

    For more information on the SETI Institute and its programs, go to https://www.seti.org/

    Join our Space Forums to keep talking space on the latest missions,
    night sky and more! And if you have a news tip, correction or comment,
    let us know at: community@space.com.

    Leonard David
    Leonard David
    Space Insider Columnist
    Leonard David is an award-winning space journalist who has been
    reporting on space activities for more than 50 years. Currently writing
    as Space.com's Space Insider Columnist among his other projects, Leonard
    has authored numerous books on space exploration, Mars missions and
    more, with his latest being "Moon Rush: The New Space Race" published in
    2019 by National Geographic. He also wrote "Mars: Our Future on the Red
    Planet" released in 2016 by National Geographic. Leonard has served as
    a correspondent for SpaceNews, Scientific American and Aerospace America
    for the AIAA. He was received many awards, including the first Ordway
    Award for Sustained Excellence in Spaceflight History in 2015 at the AAS Wernher von Braun Memorial Symposium. You can find out Leonard's latest
    project at his website and on Twitter.

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    SETI chief says US has no evidence for alien technology. 'And we never
    have'
    News
    By Leonard David published 6 hours ago
    "The idea that the government is keeping something like this secret is just >totally absurd. There's no motivation to do so."

    Comments (9)
    a series of large white radar dishes stand alone in the desert
    The Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array is a radio astronomy observatory
    located in the Plains of San Agustin in New Mexico. (Image credit: Getty >Images/Feifei Cui-Paoluzzo)
    If all the reports of mysterious objects buzzing our skies are taken as
    true encounters, the Earth appears to be under assault.

    But spoiler alert: For the chief leader of the SETI Institute, established
    to search for and understand life beyond Earth, there's a need to step back >and cuddle up to a cup of cosmic reality.

    "We don't have any evidence of any credible source that would indicate the >presence of alien technology in our skies. And we never have," said Bill >Diamond, president and chief executive officer of the SETI Institute, >headquartered in Mountain View, California. "The idea that the government
    is keeping something like this secret is just totally absurd. There's no >motivation to do so."

    Related: 'It's getting closer and closer for sure.' How SETI is expanding
    its search for alien intelligence (exclusive)

    SETI is a key research contractor to NASA and the National Science >Foundation, and collaborates with industry partners throughout Silicon >Valley. Space.com caught up with Diamond for a close-encounter with his own >thoughts and counterpoints to claims of alien visitation and to ask whether >there's any signal in all the UFO noise.

    a man in a blue vest stands in a large room before a large red piece of >equipment and a large dark circular disk towering over him.

    Bill Diamond, president and chief executive officer of the SETI Institute. >(Image credit: Bill Diamond)
    Thought experiment
    Diamond said that, while we should not outright rule out the possibility
    that we might someday discover evidence of alien technology in our skies,
    "we should equally not jump to the conclusion that UFOs are alien
    technology in the absence of any compelling evidence to that effect. And >there is no compelling evidence," he contends.

    To help visualize why, Diamond urges people to try a thought experiment.

    Get the Space.com Newsletter
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    Your Email Address
    Contact me with news and offers from other Future brands
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    The fastest spacecraft that humans have ever built and continues to head >outward from Earth is NASA's New Horizons spacecraft. It was hurled outward >back in January 2006, cruising by Pluto and is still adding mileage to its >odometer.

    "If you sent that spacecraft to our closest neighbor star, Alpha Centauri,
    it would take 80,000 years to get there," said Diamond. "Any civilization >that has mastered the ability to traverse the incomprehensibly vast
    distances of interstellar space would have technology so far advanced from >our own as to be beyond our comprehension."

    The binary stars of the nearby Alpha Centauri system, as seen by NASA's >Hubble Space Telescope. On the left is Alpha Centauri A, which is a
    sun-like G-type star. On the right is Alpha Centauri B, which is a slightly >cooler K-type star.

    The closest star system to the Earth is the Alpha Centauri group at a >distance of 4.3 light-years. The NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope snagged
    this view of Alpha Centauri A (on the left) and Alpha Centauri B (on the >right), appearing as cosmic headlamps in the dark. (Image credit:
    ESA/NASA)
    It would be much like a smartphone to a Neanderthal, Diamond suggested.

    "If such beings exist, they would likely send hardware here first and not >biology, and they certainly wouldn't crash-land in our deserts," he said, >like the alleged and highly acclaimed 1947 nose-dive of a UFO and its >accident-prone occupants near Roswell, New Mexico.

    In short haul language, that's a long way to travel and run out of braking >fluid.

    Where's the mothership?
    "Long before they sent any craft into our sky they would have some >understanding of what they were dealing with," Diamond observed, "as they >would already know everything about our atmosphere, our airspace, our >technology and more."

    It just wouldn't happen, Diamond emphasized.

    "And if it did they wouldn't leave them behind. And by the way, if you have
    a small craft zipping around in our airspace, where is the mothership? And
    if they didn't want to be observed, they wouldn't be!"

    an image of space with the words SETI INSTITUTE

    For many, the SETI logo signals a universal question of 'are we alone?'. >(Image credit: SETI Institute/Trevor Beattie)
    Connective tissue
    All the same, in the public mind, is there some kind of connective tissue >between SETI and UFOs?

    "There is definitely connective tissue," Diamond responded. "Why do people >have these beliefs? It is because they want to believe. Nobody really wants >to think that this Earth is the only place in the vastness of space where >life has emerged. Even that idea is also kind of absurd."

    For example, Diamond points to the revelations cranked out by the NASA
    Kepler mission, lofted in March 2009.

    That hunter/data-gatherer spacecraft discovered more than 2,700 planets >beyond our solar system. Compiling deep space data for nine years, the >message from Kepler: there are billions of unseen planets, indeed, more >planets than stars.

    Statistical probability
    "Statistically speaking, every single star in the sky has one or more
    planets around it," Diamond pointed out. Furthermore, 50 percent or more of >these are Earth-like (rocky surface and similar size) and in the habitable >zone of their host star, he said.

    "That implies the existence of tens of billions of potentially habitable >worlds in our galaxy alone," Diamond said. "So indeed, the statistical >probability that we are alone in the Universe is zero. Surely there is life >beyond Earth!"

    But the presence, both in space and time, as well as proximity, of advanced >alien civilizations is another matter completely, Diamond continued. "There >are innumerable variables, all of which in the sciences of astrobiology, >planetary science, astronomy and astrophysics, we are trying to figure
    out."

    Accidental observations
    The SETI Institute's Allen Telescope Array in Hat Creek, California is now >searching 20,000 red dwarf stars for signs of intelligent life.

    The SETI Institute's Allen Telescope Array is the first radio telescope to
    be designed from the ground up to search for extraterrestrial intelligence. >(Image credit: Seth Shostak, SETI Institute)
    Diamond questions why any alien civilization would send biology when they >could isntead send hardware.

    "The farthest things we have sent into space are hardware. And that's >logical," said Diamond. "But if you did send beings and the most
    interesting thing you can do is draw circles in crops … come on!"

    One other scoop of skepticism Diamond added is that every single UFO — now >tied to the term Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) — are all >"accidental observations."

    RELATED STORIES:
    — The search for extraterrestrial intelligence gets a new home at Oxford

    — SETI scientists begin huge new hunt for intelligent aliens

    — SETI's 1st 'conversation' with a humpback whale offers insight on how to >talk to E.T.

    "Therefore, they are highly unreliable. They don't have instrumentation, >technology, or methodology to discern what they are looking at," said >Diamond.

    Lastly, the SETI Institute leader said if the government actually believed
    in ET buzzing our planet, where's the study money?

    "The lack of government funding to study UAP/UFO is evidence of either the >government being quite certain that there's nothing to these accidental >observations — or — the government preferring that we not use available >technology to closely watch our skies because of our own human technologies >that are being developed — in secret," said Diamond.

    "I think that's the most compelling bit of evidence against the idea that >we've got visitors in our skies," Diamond concluded.

    For more information on the SETI Institute and its programs, go to >https://www.seti.org/

    Join our Space Forums to keep talking space on the latest missions, night
    sky and more! And if you have a news tip, correction or comment, let us
    know at: community@space.com.

    Leonard David
    Leonard David
    Space Insider Columnist
    Leonard David is an award-winning space journalist who has been reporting
    on space activities for more than 50 years. Currently writing as
    Space.com's Space Insider Columnist among his other projects, Leonard has >authored numerous books on space exploration, Mars missions and more, with >his latest being "Moon Rush: The New Space Race" published in 2019 by >National Geographic. He also wrote "Mars: Our Future on the Red Planet" >released in 2016 by National Geographic. Leonard has served as a >correspondent for SpaceNews, Scientific American and Aerospace America for >the AIAA. He was received many awards, including the first Ordway Award for >Sustained Excellence in Spaceflight History in 2015 at the AAS Wernher von >Braun Memorial Symposium. You can find out Leonard's latest project at his >website and on Twitter.


    The cabals have lots and lots of motives to suppress advanced/alien tech. Firstly it would put the oil companies out of business. Why did they
    sideline and ruin Nikola Tesla?
    Alien tech can also heal illnesses and put the crooked health establishments/drug companies out of business. And that's just the start.


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