• Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 12:41:52 2024
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    from https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away SPACE
    24 May 2024
    ByMICHELLE STARR

    An artist's impression of Gliese-12b orbiting the red dwarf star
    Gliese-12. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
    A world that bears more than a passing similarity to Earth has just been discovered orbiting a star just 40 light-years from the Solar System.

    This exoplanet has a very similar radius to our home planet, suggesting
    a similar rocky composition. Tantalizingly, Gliese-12b, as the exoplanet
    is named, is at a distance from its host star that could be habitable to
    life as we know it.

    "In my opinion, this planet will give us the clearest answer yet for any potentially habitable planet as to whether it could support habitable conditions," astrophysicist Shishir Dholakia of the University of
    Southern Queensland in Australia tells ScienceAlert.

    "Its host star is inactive, it's extremely nearby and therefore very characterizable."

    What we don't yet know is whether Gliese-12b has an atmosphere. That's
    the factor that could make a huge difference to whether the world is
    hospitable to life like Earth, or a scorching hell planet like Venus.

    "Gliese-12b represents one of the best targets to study whether
    Earth-size planets orbiting cool stars can retain their atmospheres, a
    crucial step to advance our understanding of habitability on planets
    across our galaxy," Dholakia explains.

    Over 5,600 planets outside the Solar System, or exoplanets, have been discovered to date, but we're yet to find an Earth 2.0. Most of the
    worlds we find are larger.

    That's not to say that we've not found those with similar sizes and
    masses to Earth. We've found quite a few, but finding Earth-sized
    exoplanets that meet the conditions for habitability is a little more difficult.

    One of those conditions is that the exoplanet needs to be within a
    specific distance range from the star, known as the habitable or
    Goldilocks zone. This is defined by the temperature inflicted on the
    exoplanet by the star. The exoplanet needs to be close enough for any
    water on the surface to be liquid, not frozen; but not so close that any
    water would evaporate clean away.


    An artist's impression of the Gliese-12 system, with the exoplanet
    retaining a thin atmosphere. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
    In the Solar System, Earth sits smack-bang in the middle of the
    Goldilocks zone. Venus is a bit too close to the Sun. Mars is right at
    the outer limits, and proof that just sitting in the habitable zone
    doesn't guarantee habitable conditions – but it's a starting point for identifying worlds that we should examine more closely for other signs
    of habitability.

    This is what we have with Gliese-12b. It was found in data from the TESS exoplanet-hunting telescope, and Dholakia, his co-lead author Larissa Palethorpe of the University of Edinburgh and University College London,
    and their team followed up with a number of different telescopes to
    confirm that the TESS detecting was legit.

    They found that the exoplanet has a radius almost exactly the same as
    Earth's, and orbits its host star once every 12.76 days. Here in the
    Solar System, that would be way too close for comfort – but the star Gliese-12 is a red dwarf, much cooler and dimmer than the Sun; the
    radiation the exoplanet receives is about 1.6 times the radiation Earth
    gets from the Sun.

    The estimated surface temperature of the exoplanet is 42 °C (107 °F).
    Earth, by comparison, has an average surface temperature of 15 °C (59 °F).

    Whether or not the exoplanet has an atmosphere could play a huge role in
    what the surface conditions are like, though.

    "We are quoting the planet's 'equilibrium temperature', which is the temperature the planet would be if it had no atmosphere," Dholakia says.

    "Much of the scientific value of this planet is to understand what kind
    of atmosphere it could have. Since Gliese-12b gets in between the amount
    of light as Earth and Venus get from the Sun, it will be valuable for
    bridging the gap between these two planets in our Solar System."

    An illustration with different interpretations of Gliese-12b compared to
    Earth, from a bare rock, to a thick, Venus-like atmosphere. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/R. Hurt, Caltech-IPAC)
    Gliese-12b gets about 85 percent of the radiation received by Venus –
    but Venus is covered in a thick, choking atmosphere that generates a
    greenhouse effect, resulting in an average surface temperature of 464 °C
    (867 °F).

    "It is thought that Earth's and Venus's first atmospheres were stripped
    away and then replenished by volcanic outgassing and bombardments from
    residual material in the solar system," Palethorpe says.

    "Earth is habitable, but Venus is not due to its complete loss of water. Because Gliese-12b is between Earth and Venus in temperature, its
    atmosphere could teach us a lot about the habitability pathways planets
    take as they develop."

    Due to its proximity to Earth, radius, position at the edge of the
    habitable zone of its host star, and low flare activity of that star, Gliese-12b represents possibly the best candidate yet for studying the emergence and evolution of habitability.

    The researchers hope that they'll be able to recruit JWST for a closer
    look, to see if it has an atmosphere, and what that atmosphere is made of.

    "JWST will probably be able to give us a clear picture of what its
    atmosphere looks like. Right now, the atmosphere of a planet is probably
    the greatest significant unknown that makes or breaks any claims of habitability," Dholakia tells ScienceAlert.

    "In other words, the hypothesis that this planet is habitable is very
    exciting, but it's particularly exciting that we can actually test this hypothesis clearly. We can also extend these findings to other
    potentially habitable planets around red dwarfs – the most common kind
    of star in our galaxy."
    The research has been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 24 12:07:53 2024
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    With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
    bt

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 15:56:25 2024
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    Le 2024-05-24 à 08:07, bertietaylor a écrit :
    With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
    bt

    That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is
    impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible physics.

    Won't happen.

    Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Sun May 26 00:09:33 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Kualinar wrote:

    Le 2024-05-24 à 08:07, bertietaylor a écrit :
    With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
    bt

    That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible
    physics.

    Upon correct Arindamic physics, which has literally straightened out the infinite universe, will happen within 10-20 years.

    Won't happen.

    Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.

    Experiments proving Arindamuc physics have been successfully completed
    by Arindam reducing the Einsteinians to surly silence.

    bt

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 00:36:22 2024
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    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    from https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away

    "Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 00:33:55 2024
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    On May 25, 2024 at 8:09:33 PM EDT, "bertietaylor" <bertietaylor> wrote:

    Kualinar wrote:

    Le 2024-05-24 à 08:07, bertietaylor a écrit :
    With Arindam's reactionless motors a round trip should take 20 years.
    bt

    That would mean travelling at 4 times the speed of light, witch is
    impossible, using an equally impossible motor based upon impossible
    physics.

    Upon correct Arindamic physics, which has literally straightened out the infinite universe, will happen within 10-20 years.

    Won't happen.

    Let just see if a small scale working prototype can ever be made.

    Experiments proving Arindamuc physics have been successfully completed
    by Arindam reducing the Einsteinians to surly silence.

    Uh huh. Sure it has. Now it has to be reproduced by LOTS of others.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 05:18:29 2024
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    Yes if they can be so scientific.

    bt

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 00:43:50 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    On May 26, 2024 at 6:16:19 AM EDT, "R Kym Horsell" <kymhorsell@gmail.com> wrote:

    In alt.astronomy Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52???PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> >> wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away >>
    "Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.

    It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently slow-thinking species never seem to take the long view on anything.

    What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is right
    around the corner.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon May 27 01:18:27 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Tyrone wrote:

    On May 26, 2024 at 6:16:19 AM EDT, "R Kym Horsell"
    <kymhorsell@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.astronomy Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52???PM EDT, "a425couple"
    <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years >>>> Away

    "Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.

    It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently
    slow-thinking
    species never seem to take the long view on anything.

    What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is
    right
    around the corner.

    Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
    corner.

    bt

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 28 15:45:20 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Le 2024-05-25 à 20:36, Tyrone a écrit :
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away

    "Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.

    On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
    that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 28 15:53:28 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Le 2024-05-26 à 21:18, bertietaylor a écrit :
    Tyrone wrote:

    On May 26, 2024 at 6:16:19 AM EDT, "R Kym Horsell"
    <kymhorsell@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.astronomy Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52???PM EDT, "a425couple"
    <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years >>>>> Away

    "Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.

    It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently
    slow-thinking
    species never seem to take the long view on anything.

    What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is
    right
    around the corner.

    Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
    corner.

    bt

    Faster than the speed of sound is one thing.
    Faster than the speed of light is a totally different thing. First,
    that's the speed of the interactions within the atoms and the atom to
    atom interactions. Reach light speed and NOTHING can stay together. Even nucleons will drift apart.
    Then, there is that problem with energy having mass. If you go near the
    speed of light, you have a LOT of kinetic energy, that energy increase
    your mass, making it harder to accelerate. This lead to mater mass
    reaching infinity at the speed of light.

    Yes, that E=MC^2 is accurate. We have measured it's effect on fast
    moving objects.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Wed May 29 00:24:17 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    On May 28, 2024 at 3:45:20 PM EDT, "Kualinar" <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote:

    Le 2024-05-25 à 20:36, Tyrone a écrit :
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> >> wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years Away >>
    "Just 40 years away"? You say that like its close to Earth.

    On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
    that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.

    The point is that it is still way too far away from us to "go there". Even at light speed its an 80 year round trip.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Wed May 29 15:37:00 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Kualinar wrote on 29/05/2024 5:45 am:
    Le 2024-05-25 à 20:36, Tyrone a écrit :
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> >> wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away


    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40
    Light-Years Away

    "Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.

    On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
    that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.

    "at least 10 times farther"?? Am I the only one who has problems with
    that form of expression??

    "less than one tenth the distance", sure, that makes sence but "at least
    10 times farther"! Nope!! Just wrong! Unless, of course, you are
    actually meaning "over 400 light years away"!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Wed May 29 05:47:48 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Kualinar wrote:

    Le 2024-05-26 à 21:18, bertietaylor a écrit :
    Tyrone wrote:

    On May 26, 2024 at 6:16:19 AM EDT, "R Kym Horsell"
    <kymhorsell@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In alt.astronomy Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52???PM EDT, "a425couple"
    <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40 Light-Years >>>>>> Away

    "Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.

    It's funny. But hoomin beens been a slow-moving and apparently
    slow-thinking
    species never seem to take the long view on anything.

    What is even funnier is stupid people who think that FTL travel is
    right
    around the corner.

    Funnier than those who thought that FTS travel is right around the
    corner.

    bt

    Faster than the speed of sound is one thing.
    Faster than the speed of light is a totally different thing. First,
    that's the speed of the interactions within the atoms and the atom to
    atom interactions. Reach light speed and NOTHING can stay together.

    Rubbish.
    All atoms in a craft will go together at 100 times the speed of light
    with Arindamic motors, within a 100 years. Internal force engines work
    like that.
    Fools like you will be extinct by them. Be jokes for eternity.

    We cyberdoggies mean, that when the rail was invented fools like you
    thought that cows would stop giving milk after seeing and fearing the
    steam engines!
    Same sort said that breaking the sound barrier was impossible, using
    much the same stupid reasoning as you have.




    Even

    nucleons will drift apart.

    And cows will panic when they see steam engines!

    Luddites will be luddites.

    Then, there is that problem with energy having mass. If you go near the

    speed of light, you have a LOT of kinetic energy, that energy increase
    your mass, making it harder to accelerate. This lead to mater mass
    reaching infinity at the speed of light.

    Bullshit bunkum Einsteinian thinking, fit for the biggest and most
    arrogantly pompous fools the world has ever known and will ever know.
    The stunning quality of this folly is extreme - bar a sane few, the
    whole world believes it. Beats all myths and superstitions by the widest margins, that way.

    Yes, that E=MC^2 is accurate. We have measured it's effect on fast
    moving objects.

    All you have seen is that the Earth moves in space, it is a moving
    platform, so anything straight going out of the Earth must be skewed,
    warped, twisted. Now putting in math mumbo-jumbo to explain that, is
    what modern physics is all about. Appearance is passed off as reality. Sometimes there is pure fraud, like explaining the solar eclipse
    indicating stellar displacement as a GR effect, as opposed to optical
    lensing.

    bt

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Wed May 29 21:18:41 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    On 29/05/2024 5:45 am, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2024-05-25 à 20:36, Tyrone a écrit :
    On May 23, 2024 at 3:41:52 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> >> wrote:

    from
    https://www.sciencealert.com/potentially-habitable-earth-sized-world-discovered-just-40-light-years-away

    Potentially Habitable Earth-Sized World Discovered Just 40
    Light-Years Away

    "Just 40 years away"?   You say that like its close to Earth.

    On the stellar distance scale, that's pretty close. Most of the stars
    that we can see are at least 10 times farther than 40 light years away.



    But being close on a stellar scale is still impossibly far away.

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