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Fill The Void
· 3h

Jewish refugees arriving in Palestine in 1947

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Max
· 2h
What’s your point?

Jewish people arrived 75 years ago in a land that was under British rule
to make better lives for themselves. That seems fine to me.

These people didn’t dispossess the Arabs living in the region of their
lands. The Arabs (some 700k of them anyway) did that to themselves by
leaving so Arab armies could clear out the Jews. They lost the war and
were not allowed back. That’s the price you pay for starting wars and
then losing. The Arabs who stayed all ended up as Israeli Arabs and
still live in Israel to this day.

You can keep complaining about things which happened in the past OR you
can look to the future and make the best of it. Israel is there to stay,
the Palestinians are not going to be allowed back in. That’s your
starting point. Accept these facts and then work out what the best
solution is for the people of Gaza. I will give you a clue .. it
involves PEACE and being good neighbours. It dose not involve tunnels,
rockets, AK47s or exploding vests!

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Fill The Void
· 1h
Interesting how you give yourself comfort with emotions instead of facts.

If I impose someone in your home and then tell you that you now own the
toilet, what would you think!

That’s why history is the key to build a good future, if you distort
that you just can’t build anything.

Historically the Palestinian helped the Jews coming out of the
catastrophic WWII. They were looking for a new life, and yes the British colonialism helped by “pushing them out of Europe”.

If you think about it rationally, they could have given the Jews all of Germany, right!. Or select a land of one of the countries that
collaborate with the German, (because these German’s friends were the
looser in this war) but no, they decided to send them in Palestine ! And you’ll start to think…Why? And still most of the people in this land are for a 2 states solution! Keep in mind that Jews, Arabs were cohabiting
greatly for thousand of years before colonialism and wars took places.

No “Arab”’s country were taking part of this war madness ! In fact England and French were colonizing a lot of these countries and they
even use them to help win the war.

Now, let’s go deeper, you might know there is a lot of Jews that refuse
to put a foot in Israel, do you know why? There is even Jews that are
fighting against, why?

Between hope, incomprehension, greed, ideology.

One amongst many interesting think you should read is « Lovers of Zion »
by Aaron Friedenwalt from Zion association wrote around the 1900.

And it lead to the Nakba

Quick Facts: The Palestinian Nakba (Catastrophe)
Featured Latest Twitter Facebook Top Tags Donate to the IMEU Quick
Facts: The Palestinian Nakba (Catastrophe) April 05, 2023 IMEU The Nakba (“catastrophe” in Arabic) refers to the violent expulsion of
approximately three quarters of all Palestinians from their homes and
homeland by Zionist militias and the new Israeli army during the state
of Israel’s establishment (1947-49). The Nakba was a deliberate and systematic act intended to establish a Jewish majority state in
Palestine. Amongst themselves, Zionist leaders used the euphemism “
transfer ” when discussing plans for what today would be called ethnic cleansing. The roots of the Nakba and the ongoing problems in
Palestine/Israel today lie in the emergence of political Zionism in the
late 1800s when some European Jews, influenced by the nationalism then
sweeping the continent, decided that the solution to antisemitism in
Europe and Russia was the establishment of a state for Jews in
Palestine. They began emigrating to Palestine as colonists, where they
started dispossessing indigenous Muslim and Christian Palestinians. In
November 1947, following World War II and the Holocaust, the
newly-created United Nations approved a plan to divide Palestine into
Jewish and Arab states, against the will of the majority indigenous
Palestinian Arab population. It gave 56% of the land to the proposed
Jewish state, despite the fact that Jews owned only about 7% of the
private land in Palestine and made up only about 33% of the population,
a very large percentage of whom were recent immigrants from Europe. The Palestinian Arab state was to be created on just 42% of Palestine, even
though Muslim and Christian Palestinians made up a large majority of the population and were indigenous to all of the land. Jerusalem was to be
governed by a special international administration. (See here for map of
the partition plan and 1949 armistice lines.) Almost immediately after
the partition plan was passed, the expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist militias began, months before the armies of neighboring Arab states
became involved. By the time these militias and the new Israeli army
finished, the new state of Israel covered 78% of Palestine. The
remaining 22%, comprising the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza, fell
under the control of Jordan and Egypt, respectively. In the 1967 War ,
the Israeli military occupied the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza,
which Israel began colonizing shortly afterwards. The Nakba by the
numbers Between 750,000 and one million : The number of Palestinians
expelled from their homeland and made refugees by Zionist militias and
the new Israeli army during Israel’s establishment (1947-49), amounting
to approximately 75% of all Palestinians. Between 250,000 and 350,000 :
The number of Palestinians driven from their homes by Zionist militias
between the passage of the UN partition plan on November 29, 1947 and
the establishment of Israel on May 15, 1948, prior to the outbreak of
war with neighborin

https://imeu.org/article/quick-facts-the-palestinian-nakba

1948 Arab-Israeli War | Summary, Outcome, Casualties, & Timeline |
Britannica
The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, also called Israel’s War of Independence or
the Nakba, was an existential war fought between Israel and Arab forces
from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. https://www.britannica.com/event/1948-Arab-Israeli-War
Yitzhak Rabin was maybe the only one that could have done something for
the peace, but had been killed despite Israel central intelligence being amongst the highest in the world at this time


If we think about it, no one will really ever own anything on earth and
yet people are stealing, robbing or fighting like they will live forever.

Only ideologies can feed the necessity to lay out generational plan, in
most cases it segregates tribes and communities to look at them down and
for some even use them like tools, for what… for what…

Amjed Ibne Khaliq
· 8h
Israel? Is like a man who breaks down your door in the middle of the
night, and demands you move out, he moves in, because? 3000 years ago,
his ancestors lived in that area

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Miguel Glass
· 7h
“Your door?” By that, you mean the Arab “Palestinians” door 🚪, the door
of “their” house. Except, the house was never theirs to begin with, pal. That land belonged to the Israelites, Persians, back to Israel,
Macedonians, back to Israel, Romans, Arab empire, Ottomans, U.K., Israel.

There never was a “Palestinian” state, or kingdom, or anything. So, they never had it. If they did, which they didn't, Israelis had it before,
and they legitimately have it now. Among these Israelis, are 2 million +
Arab Israelis who have decided to partake and build the country of Israel.


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Max
· 2h
The Arabs were given Syria and Jordan. That consitutes the VAST majority
of lands the British and French took from the Ottoman Empire. So no you
were NOT stabbed in the back. The Jews (who also lived in the Ottoman
Empire) were given the very tiny state of Israel. The land wasn’t Arab
to start with it was Ottoman.

The Arabs got greedy and wanted it all.

Fun Fact: When the Arab League attacked the fledgling state of Israel in
the first Arab Israeli war there was NO PLAN OR INTENTION of setting up
a Palestinian state. The plan was to divide the land between Jordan,
Syria and Egypt.

So Palestine has never existed and it was never going to exist even if
the Arabs had won!

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Joseph Schlueter
· 6h
The right wing guy is always right when you want to exterminate your
enemies.

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B Riz
· 1h
And the left wing guy is always a bitch-made apologist for evil.

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Max Peterman
· 5h
100% correct.

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Anna Mcgeachan
· 4h
They want everything , they want it all for free and to have money
pouring in and for them to do absolutely nothing . They think it’s their
god given right to have all of Israel and for the Israelis to move and
leave their homes for them . Ignorant people .

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Fred Barrett
· 4h
As I recall the Palestinians did want a state. 6th September 1970 I
believe they tried to seize Jordan and wipe out the Hashemite people who
lived there. The Hashemites were derived from Hashem, a grandson of
Quasi and the great grandfather of the prophet directly related through
his daughter Fatima and her husband Ali. The majority are Sunni of the
Shafii school. The Palestinians were refugees receiving aid and being
helped by Jordan whose people were doing all they could to help them.
The guests tried to take over. The fighting was bitter and a powerful
lesson the Israel if it needed one. Syria even invaded to assist the Palestinians. I’d love to be wrong but I’m not sure I am.

Volker Dittmar
· 3h
Yes, and it was never about “stolen land”. That’s a hoax.

Since 1946, the Arab countries have expelled nearly all the Jews and
taken their money and their property, worth around 300 Billion Dollars (today’s worth). The land they got from this expropriation is five times
the size of Israel. Tell me again: who stole land?

The British mandate of Palestine didn’t belong to anyone, and it was
right to give the Jews the land. 88.7 % of that land was given to other
Arab states, only 11.3 % was given to the Jews. If you tell me that the
British didn’t have the right, ordered by the UN, to give Jews the land,
they didn’t have the right to give it to Arabs as well.

The Arabs wanted to grab the remaining 11.3 %. They had plans to divide
that country, and they never planned to give the now so-called
Palestinians their own state. There was never a state named Palestine,
and there never will be. Guess what will happen if the Palestinians and
their Arab supporters will destroy Israel? There still will be no
Palestinian state.

And the Arabs don’t like Palestinians. Most of them don’t take them as refugees. Jordan did, and they regretted that, and threw all
Palestinians out of their land, killing 30,000 of them (nobody of the pro-Palestinians shed a single tear). Lebanon took most of the
Palestinians, and they regret it to this day, because the refugees
nearly destroyed their state.

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