• the Siege of Vienna on 12 September 1683

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    The cuirass of a Polish winged Hussar, victorious at the Siege of Vienna
    on 12 September 1683. The events that transpired that day inspired
    J.R.R. Tolkien's events at the Siege of Minas Tirith in his novel The
    Lord of the Rings.

    After having been besieged for two months by the Ottoman Empire's
    120,000 strong army, the Viennese garisson was growing weak and only a
    handful of infantry was left. Several Ottoman explosive charges had been located within the city walls and defused, but time was running out. A messenger managed to slip past the Ottoman lines to call for help from
    the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Holy Roman Empire.
    It is recorded that, just as all hope seemed lost for the last remaining infantry, being pinned down amidst the fighting and facing a seemingly
    certain death - a number of Polish cavalry emerged slowly out of the
    forest, to the cheers of the onlooking infantry. Polish King Jan
    Sobieski III came charging down the hill. From behind the hill, 18,000
    cavalry would emerge from the forest and follow him into battle. Of
    these, 3,000 were heavy Polish winged Hussars. This was the largest
    single cavalry charge in recorded history.
    The effect of this charge was so dramatic - so destructive - that it
    sealed the end of the Ottoman Empire's 300-year expansion into Europe.
    After the battle was won, King Jan Sobieski III paraphrased Julius
    Caesar's famous line, saying "Venimus, vidimus, Deus vicit"- "We came,
    we saw, God conquered".

    Krzysztof Karczewski
    all for nothing. Western Europe is lost. have rejected their Christian
    roots, they will have Allah and museins screaming from minarets at dawn.
    Good night

    Jeevan Daniels
    Krzysztof Karczewski please stay asleep

    Michael Archibald
    Krzysztof Karczewski Poor baby. Its sad that we've rejected our
    mythology before they reject theirs. Dont worry, traditional islam, like hinduism and others, tends to die out within a SINGLE generation when
    virtually any immigrants move into 'the west'.
    The BIGGEST accomplishment of 'the west' has been getting rid of
    puritanical and fundamentalist religion. Thats the STRENGTH of the west.
    Which says you can practice it in your home but thats it.
    I loved listening to the bells announcing prayers in Morocco, but if you
    think thats happening here, your a loony. Its only be a single
    generation that we got rid of churches ringing bells on sunday, oh wait, there's probably lots of places in europe where they still do that.
    Its pretty pathetic that you associate 'the west' with the former
    religion that made its population miserable for so long. That was long
    gone even by the 18th century, and here you are bemoaning not having a christian theocracy. Well, your in luck, looks like the US is heading
    that way.

    Manu De Canck
    Michael Archibald, you are mistaken, my friend. Dying out? On the contrary.
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    Stefano Forcolin
    Michael Archibald the "miserable population" was capable of expressing
    geniuses like Michelangelo, Leonardo, Newton, Descartes, Einstein, and constructing majestic monuments such as Notre Dame, and many other
    cathedrals, scientific achievements such as human flight, nuclear
    energy, interplanetary travels, and which allowed the developments of
    some of the best minds of history you say it was long gone by rhe 18th
    century, it seems it was still kicking and alive until the 60es of the
    20th Century. It seems to me that you create your own history books on
    the basis of your opinion but without a minimal correspondence with reality. 43m
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    Stefano Forcolin
    Krzysztof Karczewski this was exactly the spirit of the viennese 10
    minutes before seeing Jan Sobiecki charging. They thought the war was
    lost. Can we react as well?
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    Thom Simmons
    Krzysztof Karczewski europe's christian roots? The Eastern Church is the
    Basis of Christianity and still upholds Apostolic succession, the west
    lost it long before.

    René Von Gessert
    I heard a little different story and that is the Polish were there
    earlier but they rushed only when they were sure to win. Beauty of
    history you can pick which ever story you want and deem it as true 🙂
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    Arkadiusz Migdalczyk
    René Von Gessert On September 12, 1683, at four in the morning, King
    John III Sobieski attended mass celebrated by papal legate Mark of
    Aviano on the ruins of St. Joseph's Church and the monastery. The battle
    began on the morning of September 12, but the decisive cavalry attack
    took place late in the afternoon. Kara Mustafa, confident in the value
    of his troops, made no major preparations for defense. The Turkish camp
    was not sufficiently fortified. Only the section between the villages of Nussdorf and Schafberg was secured. Several fortifications called
    Türkenschanz by the Viennese were built north of Wienhaus. The Germans
    and Austrians attacked on the left wing on the gentle slopes of the
    hills between Kahlenberg and Leopoldsberg, in the immediate vicinity of
    the Danube. The Poles continued their advance through the trackless
    Vienna Woods. The Turks did not concentrate their forces there, because
    they did not expect an attack from that side[13]
    Sobieski's troops did not reach the edge of the Vienna Woods until the afternoon. There was a vast area of the Wiedenka River valley, gently
    sloping towards besieged Vienna. Closer there was a large camp and
    quickly forming Turkish troops[13]. Janissary troops were hiding in the vineyards growing on the slopes. The king therefore ordered General
    Marcin Kazimierz Kątski to move the infantry and artillery forward to
    clear the area. After several hours of fighting, Zbrożek's infantrymen
    drove the Turkish troops away and opened the way for the cavalry[16].
    The Polish soldiers, due to the use of weapons and clothing similar to
    the Turkish, fought in straw armbands placed on their left arms. This
    was to prevent erroneous battles with allied forces[17].
    Sobieski's next decision was to send Lieutenant Zbierzchowski's hussar
    banner to reconnoiter the area, to see if it concealed any ditches, wolf
    pits, scavenging, etc. The banner galloped between the Turkish
    positions, leading to their disorganization, but also suffering heavy
    losses. The reconnaissance confirmed the intelligence data that a
    cavalry charge from this side was possible[18].
    At 6 p.m. Sobieski gave the signal to begin a general assault. 😉
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    Luca Tomsich
    René Von Gessert you are right, i would Not say they attacked once they
    were sure to win. Of this, i have no knowledge, what is documented is,
    they Had a sermon which took long before ( there is a chapel right on
    top of the hill where they were supposed to have been gathering)
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    Allen Dapo Aramide
    René Von Gessert what your point then? Let's assume you're right, who
    rushes to fight when they're not sure of winning?
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    Ken Holmes
    René Von Gessert Just more German/Austrian propaganda.

    Mihail Dimitrov
    René Von Gessert By all means Europe was very lucky to have them and to
    be victorious! Not all the ppl had that luck... 😢
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    Кмета Цолов
    René Von Gessert just winners write history so if u write it u have won.
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    Doug McCall
    René Von Gessert why would you rush in if you didn't think you would win?

    Nick Hill
    René Von Gessert It's a good job they were there, whenever they charged.
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    Edward Kroll
    René Von Gessert and of course you know the true story.
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    Rick Garrison
    René Von Gessert when else would you rush?
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    John Marcogliese
    Ultimately, Tolkien's inspirations were complex and multifaceted, rooted
    in linguistic creativity and mythological frameworks rather than direct historical events.
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    Martin Christian Power
    The battle of Vienna has been so mythologised and lost to the
    degradation of retelling that for the most part the facts are all but
    lost in popular history. Other then historians and those who care to dig
    for the truth everyone has the wrong impression of what happened.

    Robert Guilbert
    The Sultan was not amused & his Commander was executed by strangulation.

    Ric Uy
    Thank god jan sobeiski is not like like trump, ah we will have a deal
    with the ottomans it will be great! The sultan is a personal friend of mine.Vieanna have to accept it😁
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    Julian Emmanuelle Ferrer Soriano
    Great plan, Great men resulted into Great victory amazing work of art
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    Waqar Paul Francis
    Thank you Lord Jesus for the charge of the mighty cavalry. Saviours of Christendom!

    George M. Sorin
    And, as a "thank you", the Austrian Empire partitioned Poland, together
    with Russia and Prussia some centuries later 😅 Austrian leaders aren't trustworthy.
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    Jeff Gray
    One of the greatest moments of military glory in all of history
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    Steve Volosen
    The amazing flying hussars saved Viena and Christianity they have a long history that starred in the Austrian Hungarian empire
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    Mike Dujanowicz
    I’ve read about this, several times over, from various sources- seems
    like there is some hostility toward the poles, still…

    Willy Krusell
    This version ignores that Jon placed his artillery atop a high peak
    commanding the battlefield and had the Ottomans on their backfoot when
    the cavalry smashed them. Many say the Hussars were Serbian. The Tatars
    had warned Kara Mustapha to secure the heights but he was arrogant and
    in a blood rage to decorate the walls with Christian heads. Interesting
    that Slavs not Germanics or Hungarians saved Christian Europe.
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    Luca Tomsich
    The austrian army was already in Hand to Hand combat with the besiegers
    Out of the City walls for the half day, when the polish cavalry finally
    decided to Take part and Help. Yes, they crushed the turkish lines. But
    noones ever mentions, the siege was over the moment the austrian troops
    engaged in the morning.
    Also, Not just one messenger got through, it was more like a come and go
    for the messengers, of which many got caught during the siege. The army
    knew exactly when and how to Strike.
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    Jorge Fernandes
    Great polish heroes….
    This was a turning point in European history.
    Like the reconquista in Portugal and Spain
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    Phillip Davenport
    The Ottoman Empire was trying to conquer Europe they had already taken
    much including Greece and many other Nations too. They were besieging
    Vienna with a big Army and many Cannons . As far as I have read , and I
    read much History. The account above is true .
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    Samuel Padilla
    Best book about this event?

    Lee Penn
    The Polish and Hungarians haven't forgotten their history.
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    Paul Campagnolo
    The Ottoman Empire was still in existence during the first WW when they
    sided with Germany and Austria-Hungry. They lost and the post war
    treaties officially dissolved the Ottoman Empire in 1922.

    And that is how the British / UK ended up with the
    Mandate for Palestine.

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