"a425couple" wrote in message news:SwysP.65882$r3gb.28020@fx39.iad...
Does planetary evolution favor human-like life? Study ups odds we're not
I believe humans have a fortunate combination of abilities that other creatures may share singularly but not in our combination, though their sight, smell, hearing, speed, strength may be better. Our body form may
be only one of many capable of this.
Communication is vital, and not unique to us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_animal
Except for the thumb apes have hands similar to ours. The time-proven
tools we make to improve our grasp, pliers and tweezers etc, are similar
to claws. https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/human-origins/understanding- our-past/living-primates/the-grasping-hand
A creature with six or more limbs can have two free to manipulate
objects, insects and crabs for example. Our two legged balancing walk
isn't essential or even optimal, just inherited from ancient forms with
four limbs.
Fossils from the Cambrian period show what might have survived except
for predators and random extinction events. https://www.thoughtco.com/strangest-animals-of-the-cambrian-period-4125717
Some modern species are nearly that old. https://www.livescience.com/animals/living-fossils-creatures-that-look- the-same-now-as-they-did-millions-of-years-ago
The Nautilus eye is a primitive missing link to the highly developed
modern eye. It's not true that the eye is too complex to have evolved, intermediate stages survive today. Another science denial claim busted. https://archives.evergreen.edu/webpages/curricular/2011-2012/m2o1112/ web/cephalopods.html
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:vp1u36$1mkfg$1@dont-email.me...T
On 2/17/25 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
...How many times has one wished for a third hand when doing some sort of manipulation task (say like soldering a couple wires together)? --
Of course one thing that is difficult for people to get their minds
around is the very long time duration of evolution, although sometimes
it can be surprisingly rapid.
SMH
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There aren't a lot of cases to study, most life is well adapted.
I suspect something with a good brain in a crab- or lobster-like body might be capable of creating high technology. ---
The octopus demonstrates that marine invertebrates can be intelligent. https://www.daisycrocket.com/octopus-intelligence/
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:vp6e73$2n232$1@dont-email.me...
She (dog) understood pointing very well, as in go "sniff!" what I'm
pointing to, like a burrow she hadn't noticed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dogs-understand-gestures- well-toddlers-flna1c9458078
"Dogs possess a 2-year-old child's capacity to understand human pointing gestures, with dogs requiring next to zero learning time to figure out
the visual communication, according to two recent studies."
"Since chimpanzees and other non-human primates often flunk pointing
gesture tests, the studies suggest dogs may understand humans better
than even our closest living animal relatives do."
I hung a bird feeder from a clothesline off the raised deck behind the
house to keep squirrels and raccoons off it. On laundry days I moved the feeder back into the woods to keep birds from perching on the line and fouling the laundry.
While I was hanging clothes a nuthatch perched on the nearest branch and shook and rattled its wings to get my attention, obviously looking for
the missing feeder and knowing I was associated with it. I pointed
toward it and the bird immediately raced off in that direction. I call
that a good indication of problem-solving intelligence.
Once wild rabbits learn I'm not a threat they will come quite close to
feed or watch me work, maybe to protect themselves from hawks. It's
unclear if they understand the pointing gesture when I'm walking toward
them but will turn short of them. Some will let me get pretty close,
5-10 feet. They recognize my voice and will stop running when I speak if
I my approach startled them, I can be as invisible (tree-like pant legs)
to them as they are to me if they are moving and I see them first and
freeze. I spoke as one walked by and it jumped, ran a few yards, stopped
to glance back and gave me a disgusted oh-it's-only-you look before it continued walking. I don't consider them to show much intelligence
compared to dogs and birds.
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:vp9v8r$3dj6e$1@dont-email.me...
Humans and dogs have evolved together for so long that dogs have built
in wiring that enables them to actually manipulate humans (to some degree).
It was evolutionarily beneficial to understand humans as well as possible.
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Dogs are very good at evaluating and manipulating each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy
This Soviet experiment suggests that dogs expressed and amplified canine traits that were unfavorable in the wild though not enough to be lost. https://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/2010/06/14/monday-pets-the- russian-fox-st
https://fieldethos.com/bubba-the-tiger/
My sister took in a rescued dog that tried to be the boss. It's (no
longer he/she) slowly learned to follow orders.
A friend had a black Lab that liked to nip at my legs when I visited. He didn't bite, just showed he could have. Finally I reached under his jaw
and squeezed his lips between his teeth, making him realize that I could defend myself against his main weapon. Immediately he accepted me as superior, stopped challenging and obeyed whatever I wanted him to do. I
took him out for a walk in the woods as a test, out of sight to not
embarrass his owner who hadn't trained him. The Lab was more instantly obedient than my Golden, who had a mind of her own and sometimes needed persuasion or negotiation to a compromise.
Lysenkoism's goal was to create a proletarian New Soviet Man amenable to communism, essentially a docile serf/slave class like the horse in
Animal Farm. Lenin had been forced to concede that the normal run of
humanity isn't, and leftist pride couldn't accept being proven wrong. Naturally the "elite" that promoted and lived off running communism
wouldn't lower themselves to the hard work necessary to support a
society. So it is with socialist professors who train students to
willingly support them. We have a dominance hierarchy too.
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