• It's time to take terraforming Mars seriously, scientists say

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 17 10:16:29 2025
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    Well, I suppose if we didn't have some pretty far-fetched ideas
    out there, we might never hear of some good plans.
    It just seems that without our magnetic core / tectonics
    giving protection from solar rays and solar wind, it seems
    hopeless.

    from https://www.space.com/astronomy/mars/turning-the-red-planet-green-its-time-to-take-terraforming-mars-seriously-scientists-say

    Turning the Red Planet green? It's time to take terraforming Mars
    seriously, scientists say
    News
    By Stefanie Waldek published June 2, 2025
    New research suggests that the idea of transforming the Red Planet might
    not be so far-fetched after all.

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    Artist's illustration depicting the terraforming of Mars — turning
    into a more Earth-like world.
    A visualization of what Mars might look like over time, if humans
    managed to terraform the planet. (Image credit: Daein Ballard, CC BY-SA)
    The concept of terraforming Mars — transforming the planet's climate to support life as we know it — has long belonged to the realm of science fiction. But a new study argues that it's time to take the idea seriously.

    "Thirty years ago, terraforming Mars wasn't just hard — it was
    impossible," said Erika DeBenedictis, CEO of Pioneer Labs and lead
    author of the new paper. "But new technology like [SpaceX's] Starship
    and synthetic biology have now made it a real possibility."

    The paper debates the complex ethical questions that must be considered
    if we're to terraform Mars and lays the blueprint for a potential path
    forward.

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    "Advocates argue that more life is better than less, and terraforming
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    Click here for more Space.com videos...
    Why terraform Mars?
    Put succinctly, "living planets are better than dead ones," said study co-author Edwin Kite, an associate professor at the University of
    Chicago. "We now know that Mars was habitable in the past, from data
    returned by the Mars rovers, so greening Mars could be viewed as the
    ultimate environmental restoration challenge."

    Though full terraforming may take centuries, if not millennia, the
    long-term goal would be a Mars with stable liquid water, breathable
    oxygen and a thriving ecosystem. In the short term, this might mean only
    small patches of microbial life; in the distant future, there could
    perhaps be human cities on the planet.

    And if we reach the scale of cities, perhaps that's a stepping stone to
    even more significant exploration for our species. "As we move out into
    the galaxy, we will need base camps, and a base camp on the scale of the
    galaxy is a habitable planet," said Kite.

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    For co-author Robin Wordsworth, a professor of environmental and
    planetary science at Harvard, the argument for terraforming Mars goes
    beyond human colonization to the propagation of life in general.

    "I see humanity as part of the biosphere, not separate from it," he
    said. "Life is precious — we know of nowhere else in the universe where
    it exists — and we have a duty to conserve it on Earth, but also to
    consider how we could begin to propagate it to other worlds."

    What about Earth?
    It's not all about looking beyond the bounds of Earth; terraforming Mars
    could also help us solve climate and sustainability challenges at home, advocates say.

    Nina Lanza, a planetary scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory and
    a co-author on the paper, sees Mars as a prime testbed for planetary engineering.

    "If we want to learn how to modify our environment here on Earth, to
    keep it in a configuration that suits us and other life forms, maybe it
    would be better to experiment on Mars and say, 'Look, does this work?'"
    she said. "I personally would like to be a little more conservative with
    our home planet. This is the only place we can live."

    There are technological lessons to be learned, too.

    "Concretely, developing and adopting green technology on Earth often
    falters because it must compete with dirtier alternatives that benefit
    from decades of infrastructure investment and entrenched interests,"
    said DeBenedictis. "Mars is a unique target market because it has no
    oil, no existing infrastructure and no status quo. For this reason,
    developing green technologies for space is a powerful strategy for
    maturing it for use on Earth."

    Why not terraform Mars?
    But we should take a few lessons from "Jurassic Park" when thinking
    about terraforming, some scientists say: Before asking, "Could we?" we
    need to ask, "Should we?"

    "If we decide to terraform Mars, then we will really change it in ways
    that may or may not be reversible," said Lanza. "Mars is its own planet
    and has its own history. When we terraform, then we effectively don't
    have the opportunity to study that anymore, and we may lose knowledge
    about how planets form and evolve."

    Most dramatically, we may destroy potential evidence of ancient Martian
    life, if such evidence exists.

    "If we modify the environment on Mars, we're going to change the
    chemistry of the surface and of the subsurface, eventually," said Lanza, pointing out that such actions might erase any traces of life on Mars.
    "I can't say for certain. It's very complicated, but it's a risk."

    How to terraform Mars
    Terraforming Mars would require massive changes, namely the warming of
    the planet to support both oxygen-producing microbes and liquid water.
    While all the technologies to terraform Mars are not yet available, the
    authors of the paper propose three phases of development.

    First, scientists would use abiotic climate engineering techniques —
    such as deploying reflective solar sails, dispersing nanoparticles, or
    laying aerogel tiles — to warm the surface by at least 30 degrees
    Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit), enough to melt subsurface ice and
    release trapped carbon dioxide. This warming would thicken the Martian atmosphere and potentially support the presence of stable liquid water.

    The second phase would introduce extremophile microbes — likely
    anaerobic and genetically engineered ones — capable of surviving in
    Mars' harsh conditions and kickstarting ecological succession. These
    organisms would begin producing oxygen and organic matter, slowly
    altering planetary chemistry.

    The third and longest phase would focus on building a complex biosphere, increasing atmospheric pressure and oxygen content to eventually support
    more advanced plant life, and, in the very long term, potentially allow
    humans to breathe unassisted.

    Related stories:
    — Could we really terraform Mars?

    — New Mars terraforming idea: engineered, heat-absorbing dust nanoparticles

    — Bad news for terraforming: Mars' atmosphere is lost in space

    Next steps
    The study's authors agree: If we're to have any chance of terraforming
    Mars, we must move forward on multiple fronts simultaneously.

    "Answering the question of when and how to start making other worlds
    habitable requires a clear understanding of the costs and benefits,
    which can only be adequately assessed based on a combination of theory
    and experiments, with input from diverse fields including physics,
    chemistry, materials science and biology," said Kite.

    Right now, we need to continue to study Mars. Lanza advocates for the
    Mars Sample Return mission, a NASA-European Space Agency campaign to
    bring home material collected on the Red Planet by the Perseverance rover.

    "The samples are incredibly well documented and analyzed to the best of
    our ability on Mars," she said. "Now we need to bring those back,
    because that's going to help us answer some of these fundamental
    questions. What is Mars made out of? Are there traces of life?"

    And, as we continue to visit the Red Planet, we can put terraforming
    concepts into practice.

    "Upcoming Mars surface missions in 2028 or 2031 should include
    small-scale experiments to de-risk terraforming strategies, such as
    warming localized regions," said DeBenedictis.

    Then, of course, we need to continue to innovate new technologies that
    will allow us to terraform Mars in the future.

    All this is to say, while fully terraforming Mars might take
    generations, the decisions start now.

    "This is how we get from the imagination and the concept to some reality
    that has totally changed our world," said Lanza. "We should really keep
    doing science — it's transformational."

    The new study was published last month in the journal Nature Astronomy.

    Join our Space Forums to keep talking space on the latest missions,
    night sky and more! And if you have a news tip, correction or comment,
    let us know at: community@space.com.

    Stefanie Waldek
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    nerd and aviation geek who is passionate about all things spaceflight
    and astronomy. With a background in travel and design journalism, as
    well as a Bachelor of Arts degree from New York University, she
    specializes in the budding space tourism industry and Earth-based
    astrotourism. In her free time, you can find her watching rocket
    launches or looking up at the stars, wondering what is out there. Learn
    more about her work at www.stefaniewaldek.com.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 17 22:51:57 2025
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    On Jun 17, 2025 at 1:16:29 PM EDT, "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Well, I suppose if we didn't have some pretty far-fetched ideas
    out there, we might never hear of some good plans.
    It just seems that without our magnetic core / tectonics
    giving protection from solar rays and solar wind, it seems
    hopeless.

    Not to mention that Mars would still be very cold AND still not have enough mass to retain a significant atmosphere.

    Hopeless indeed.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 18:00:43 2025
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.fan.heinlein

    Le 2025-06-17 à 13:16, a425couple a écrit :
    Well, I suppose if we didn't have some pretty far-fetched ideas
    out there, we might never hear of some good plans.
    It just seems that without our magnetic core / tectonics
    giving protection from solar rays and solar wind, it seems
    hopeless.

    from
    https://www.space.com/astronomy/mars/turning-the-red-planet-green-its- time-to-take-terraforming-mars-seriously-scientists-say

    Turning the Red Planet green? It's time to take terraforming Mars
    seriously, scientists say
    News
    By Stefanie Waldek published June 2, 2025
    New research suggests that the idea of transforming the Red Planet might
    not be so far-fetched after all.

    Comments (32)
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    Artist&#039;s illustration depicting the terraforming of Mars — turning into a more Earth-like world.
    A visualization of what Mars might look like over time, if humans
    managed to terraform the planet. (Image credit: Daein Ballard, CC BY-SA)
    The concept of terraforming Mars — transforming the planet's climate to support life as we know it — has long belonged to the realm of science fiction. But a new study argues that it's time to take the idea seriously.

    "Thirty years ago, terraforming Mars wasn't just hard — it was
    impossible," said Erika DeBenedictis, CEO of Pioneer Labs and lead
    author of the new paper. "But new technology like [SpaceX's] Starship
    and synthetic biology have now made it a real possibility."

    The paper debates the complex ethical questions that must be considered
    if we're to terraform Mars and lays the blueprint for a potential path forward.

    You may like
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    "Advocates argue that more life is better than less, and terraforming
    Mars could mark humanity's first act of planetary stewardship with a net positive environmental impact," said DeBenedictis.

    Click here for more Space.com videos...
    Why terraform Mars?
    Put succinctly, "living planets are better than dead ones," said study co-author Edwin Kite, an associate professor at the University of
    Chicago. "We now know that Mars was habitable in the past, from data
    returned by the Mars rovers, so greening Mars could be viewed as the
    ultimate environmental restoration challenge."

    Though full terraforming may take centuries, if not millennia, the long-
    term goal would be a Mars with stable liquid water, breathable oxygen
    and a thriving ecosystem. In the short term, this might mean only small patches of microbial life; in the distant future, there could perhaps be human cities on the planet.

    And if we reach the scale of cities, perhaps that's a stepping stone to
    even more significant exploration for our species. "As we move out into
    the galaxy, we will need base camps, and a base camp on the scale of the galaxy is a habitable planet," said Kite.

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    For co-author Robin Wordsworth, a professor of environmental and
    planetary science at Harvard, the argument for terraforming Mars goes
    beyond human colonization to the propagation of life in general.

    "I see humanity as part of the biosphere, not separate from it," he
    said. "Life is precious — we know of nowhere else in the universe where
    it exists — and we have a duty to conserve it on Earth, but also to consider how we could begin to propagate it to other worlds."

    What about Earth?
    It's not all about looking beyond the bounds of Earth; terraforming Mars could also help us solve climate and sustainability challenges at home, advocates say.

    Nina Lanza, a planetary scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory and
    a co-author on the paper, sees Mars as a prime testbed for planetary engineering.

    "If we want to learn how to modify our environment here on Earth, to
    keep it in a configuration that suits us and other life forms, maybe it
    would be better to experiment on Mars and say, 'Look, does this work?'"
    she said. "I personally would like to be a little more conservative with
    our home planet. This is the only place we can live."

    There are technological lessons to be learned, too.

    "Concretely, developing and adopting green technology on Earth often
    falters because it must compete with dirtier alternatives that benefit
    from decades of infrastructure investment and entrenched interests,"
    said DeBenedictis. "Mars is a unique target market because it has no
    oil, no existing infrastructure and no status quo. For this reason, developing green technologies for space is a powerful strategy for
    maturing it for use on Earth."

    Why not terraform Mars?
    But we should take a few lessons from "Jurassic Park" when thinking
    about terraforming, some scientists say: Before asking, "Could we?" we
    need to ask, "Should we?"

    "If we decide to terraform Mars, then we will really change it in ways
    that may or may not be reversible," said Lanza. "Mars is its own planet
    and has its own history. When we terraform, then we effectively don't
    have the opportunity to study that anymore, and we may lose knowledge
    about how planets form and evolve."

    Most dramatically, we may destroy potential evidence of ancient Martian
    life, if such evidence exists.

    "If we modify the environment on Mars, we're going to change the
    chemistry of the surface and of the subsurface, eventually," said Lanza, pointing out that such actions might erase any traces of life on Mars.
    "I can't say for certain. It's very complicated, but it's a risk."

    How to terraform Mars
    Terraforming Mars would require massive changes, namely the warming of
    the planet to support both oxygen-producing microbes and liquid water.
    While all the technologies to terraform Mars are not yet available, the authors of the paper propose three phases of development.

    First, scientists would use abiotic climate engineering techniques —
    such as deploying reflective solar sails, dispersing nanoparticles, or
    laying aerogel tiles — to warm the surface by at least 30 degrees
    Celsius (86 degrees Fahrenheit), enough to melt subsurface ice and
    release trapped carbon dioxide. This warming would thicken the Martian atmosphere and potentially support the presence of stable liquid water.

    The second phase would introduce extremophile microbes — likely
    anaerobic and genetically engineered ones — capable of surviving in
    Mars' harsh conditions and kickstarting ecological succession. These organisms would begin producing oxygen and organic matter, slowly
    altering planetary chemistry.

    The third and longest phase would focus on building a complex biosphere, increasing atmospheric pressure and oxygen content to eventually support
    more advanced plant life, and, in the very long term, potentially allow humans to breathe unassisted.

    Related stories:
    — Could we really terraform Mars?

    — New Mars terraforming idea: engineered, heat-absorbing dust nanoparticles

    — Bad news for terraforming: Mars' atmosphere is lost in space

    Next steps
    The study's authors agree: If we're to have any chance of terraforming
    Mars, we must move forward on multiple fronts simultaneously.

    "Answering the question of when and how to start making other worlds habitable requires a clear understanding of the costs and benefits,
    which can only be adequately assessed based on a combination of theory
    and experiments, with input from diverse fields including physics,
    chemistry, materials science and biology," said Kite.

    Right now, we need to continue to study Mars. Lanza advocates for the
    Mars Sample Return mission, a NASA-European Space Agency campaign to
    bring home material collected on the Red Planet by the Perseverance rover.

    "The samples are incredibly well documented and analyzed to the best of
    our ability on Mars," she said. "Now we need to bring those back,
    because that's going to help us answer some of these fundamental
    questions. What is Mars made out of? Are there traces of life?"

    And, as we continue to visit the Red Planet, we can put terraforming
    concepts into practice.

    "Upcoming Mars surface missions in 2028 or 2031 should include small-
    scale experiments to de-risk terraforming strategies, such as warming localized regions," said DeBenedictis.

    Then, of course, we need to continue to innovate new technologies that
    will allow us to terraform Mars in the future.

    All this is to say, while fully terraforming Mars might take
    generations, the decisions start now.

    "This is how we get from the imagination and the concept to some reality
    that has totally changed our world," said Lanza. "We should really keep
    doing science — it's transformational."

    The new study was published last month in the journal Nature Astronomy.

    Join our Space Forums to keep talking space on the latest missions,
    night sky and more! And if you have a news tip, correction or comment,
    let us know at: community@space.com.

    Stefanie Waldek
    Stefanie Waldek
    Contributing writer
    Space.com contributing writer Stefanie Waldek is a self-taught space
    nerd and aviation geek who is passionate about all things spaceflight
    and astronomy. With a background in travel and design journalism, as
    well as a Bachelor of Arts degree from New York University, she
    specializes in the budding space tourism industry and Earth-based astrotourism. In her free time, you can find her watching rocket
    launches or looking up at the stars, wondering what is out there. Learn
    more about her work at www.stefaniewaldek.com.

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    Mars just don't have the mass, and thus gravity, to retain a breathable atmosphere. It's lack of a magnetic field only make things worst.
    We'd need to make enough asteroids crash on it to almost double it's
    radius before we could start to think about terraforming it.

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